Thursday, April 17, 2008

Employers Go Free after Immigration Sweeps, Meanwhile Latino Communities Terrorized!

I cried this afternoon when I looked at the pictures of the Immigration Sweeps that swept across five states yesterday.
CNN reported Federal immigration agents fanned out across five states yesterday, detaining hundreds of employees of Pilgrim's Pride, one of the nation's largest poultry companies.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents, along with the U.S. Department of Justice and an array of other local, state and federal law enforcement agencies, raided chicken-processing plants in Texas, Florida, Tennessee, Arkansas and West Virginia, authorities said.
Pilgrim's Pride said about 400 non-management employees were detained. With ALL of these employees detained, no civil or criminal charges, including charges that Pilgrim's knowingly hired these employees or conspired to hire them, have been filed against the company in any of these cases.
All very, very curious, especially considering the ICE investigation has taken over one year to accumulate data. Exactly what does this mean? Pilgrim's Pride worked covertly for one year with the Department of Homeland Security to set up their own employees.
Tension and fear burned through Chattanooga’s immigrant community Wednesday after federal agents arrested more than 100 people at Chattanooga´s downtown Pilgrim’s Pride plants. One second-shift worker at the company, worried that his aunt was caught in the raid and her three children were left home alone waiting for her to return.
Meanwhile in Tyler, TX, another sweep location, LULAC representatives referred to Wednesday's raids as "terroristic-type raids." "They create fear and panic among the hispanic community and especially immigrants. Several parents were afraid to take their children to school here in Tyler and Longview because they were afraid immigration would show up and take little Juan or Maria away. That shouldn't happen in America," said LULAC General Counsel, Domingo Garcia. Immigration authorities knocked on Olivia Garcia's door in Mount Pleasant on Wednesday. They arrested her husband, Jesus Garcia, for working under a false social security number. "I don't understand why they'd do that to him," said Olivia Garcia.
The Garcia's have lived in Texas for years. Jesus Garcia is a U.S. Resident and has a valid social security number. "When they knocked, I told my husband, 'should we open the door,' and he said 'yeah, we don't have anything to hide,'" said Olivia Garcia. Immigration agents mixed garcia up with another man who has since been arrested. Garcia's immigration attorneys are calling it a case of a mistaken identity and a case involving racial profiling. "(It seems) if you look hispanic, then you must be an illegal alien," said Domingo Garcia.
Garcia is still being held in Gregg County. Immigration attorneys are working trying to have him released. However, they say that this case of mistaken identity may not be the only one in conjunction with Wednesday's raids.
As ICE and businesses collaborate for these "sweeping stings", it is the entire Latino community that is negatively impacted, living in fear, awaiting the next sweep.

60 comments:

IPFreely said...

“They pay for these papers,” she said. “In their hearts, they really think that it’s OK because they bought it.”


That mindset really sums it up.

Then you have the mistaken identity thats called racial profiling???? When are people going to learn, Citizen Hispanics are going to be the ones that are mostly found as mistaken identity simply do to the mindset above, the Illegals bought the documents (stolen/forged) with names of more then likely, legal Hispanic Citizens/Residents, then the Illegals are hiding in plain site. The Hispanic community needs to stand up and put a stop to these purchases of documents, let there brethren no that its not OK to purchase identity here. Maybe then the Hispanic community will help to deter Illegal Immigration and cases of mistaken identity simply because an Illegal bought stolen documents or forged documents with a Legals name on it.

Maegan la Mala said...

I think you missed the point of the post pp man.
Jesus Gracia is a U.S. resident , with a valid SS number and he was arrested. This is the racial profiling, because to the police and ICE agents if you look like a Latino, you must be undocumented.

patriot said...

I can't believe the rhetoric and victimhood that is played here.

If more legal Hispanic citizens stood up for the rule of law instead of being illegal alien supporters, they would find themselves being under less scrutiny. It doesn't matter however when push comes to shove. Legal Hispanic citizens would have proper I.D. to clear themselves. Sure mistaken identity can happen but that is true of any criminal investigation.

Those who "fear" are not immigrants nor citizens. They are the illegal aliens themselves. When one breaks laws "fear" is what you bring upon yourself.

We need the Save Act to pass so that employers will not hire illegal aliens in the first place and that would put an end to workplace and community raids. But why are pro-illegals opposed to it while claiming they want the employers punished?

IPFreely said...

Sorry M la M, you don't comprehend th story. Garcia was arrested for using a false SS number, presumably, even though he is a Citizen. That means, his mistaken identity is because another "Illegal Immigrant" was using Garcia's SS number. Didn't you read where the "Illegal Immigrant" also was arrested. It is a clear case of mistaken identity, not racial profiling. Why Garcia is still in jail, I don't know, unless they have something on him. If not then Garcia should be released immediately.

The Hispanic community needs to inform their brethren that its not OK to purchase identity here in the USA. It will be the Hispanic Citizens/Residents harmed mostly as they are the ones having their SS numbers and names used simply so the "Illegal Immigrants" can blend in and hide in plain site.

Anonymous said...

Save Act will prevent employers from hiring illegals. We need the Save Act now! Employers need to be prevented from hiring illegals and heavily fined and punished if they do. I think the pro-illegals will have to agree with punishing the employers. Pros and antis should be able to agree on this act.

Dee said...

IPF, It is you who are mistaken and not comprehending.
Reread the article.

It says, "Immigration agents mixed garcia up with another man who has since been arrested. (for using a false ss #)"

His wife said:
"I don't understand why they'd do that to him," said Olivia Garcia.

The Garcia's have lived in Texas for years. Jesus Garcia is a U.S. Resident and has a valid social security number.

Garcias Lawyers are calling it a case of a mistaken identity and a case involving RACIAL PROFILING!!


They should release him immediately.

Dee said...

Maegan,
Welcome to my Blog!
You make some very good points. I agree, this is Racial Profiling.

I hope you come back often!

Dee said...

IPF,
Here is where you are totally off-base. ICE worked with Pilgrims Pride for over a year to "sting" these illegal immigrants. What was their complicity in seeking out and hiring them and then keeping it quiet for this obvious "Breaking News" moment?

Children are being put in prison in these heinous detention centers. Many are being left alone after their parents are swept away.

Have you no humanity? Why the sting? Why hired? Why wait a year?

Why racial Profile just because they are Brown?

This is wrong from every angle!!

patriot said...

dee, no the wrong happened when the illegal alien crossed our border. Anything else that happens to them and their supporters after that is justified.

Dee said...

Pat,
You are wrong. Even ICE admits they were wrong in wrongly arresting Garcia. He should not have been racially profiled, nor arrested.
No one is Justified in Racial Profiling! No one!
And you CANNOT call the innocent bystander Garcia a supporter of anything but being Brown.

patriot said...

It is called criminal profiling, dee. In otherwords you question those who fit the description of the criminal or criminals. Sometimes mistaken identity happens. It happens to Whites, Blacks and other racial groups, not just Hispanics during the course of an ivestigation.

You have yet to answer how those who are questioned because they fit the description but are innocent are traumatized for life for it.

Admit it dee. You just don't want illegal aliens deported because most of them are Hispanic like you are. You keep playing games but we know what you are all about. Not wanting illegal aliens removed from our country is un-American.

Hran said...

Continuing from the previous entry.

"If anything Blacks are more like Whites than any other racial group in this country. THEY SPEAK ENGLISH FOR ONE THING!"

And they are an American ethnic group, unlike the foreign-born Mexicans and Asians.

Hran said...

Dee,
I will answer your WN question, but you haven't answered mine:

Suppose the Chinese started sending hundreds of thousands of their citizens to Mexico, year after year, until the native population were reduced to a minority. Would that be wrong?

Note: this is what the Chinese ARE doing to Tibet in order to ethnically cleanse and subdue that country.

IPFreely said...

Read the article, Garcia was arrested prior to the "Illegal Alien" being arrested. Later, the "Illegal Alien" was arrested. Mistaken Identity, the "Illegal Alien" either had the same name, Jesus Garcia, or he used Jesus Garcia's SS #. Now read where I stated, "Why Garcia is still in jail, I don't know, unless they have something on him. If not then Garcia should be released immediately."

Racial Profiling has nothing to do with this.

Racial profiling, also known as racial stereotyping, is the inclusion of racial or ethnic characteristics in determining whether a person is considered likely to commit a particular type of crime or an illegal act (see Offender Profiling).

Now, how can a name or SS# be Racial Profiling? The "Illegal Immigrant" used either Jesus' name or his SS#. Comprehend the article now?

Anon 1 said...

you know, it's sickly how ANTI's stray from the truth, they love preaching about their MAYBERRIAN dreams and say "I'm not racist" when they are, ADMIT IT, you care nothing about ppl if they don't fit your ethnic needs, if they are thrown in detention centers whether their legal or ILLEEEEEGAL, what if this happens to your mother and others tell you, "when the illegal alien crossed our border" (quote taken from pat) what then, your mother who is LEGAL is thrown in this detention center just because she doesn't fit the profile (she's not white), HOW F***ING GROTESQUE!!! That is the point ANTI's, YOUR ALL RACIST!!! That is the problem, and once that is solved, then we solve the issue with immigration

Hran said...

anon 1:
For one, what's your definition of "racist"? Secondly, what do mean "solve the issue with immigration"? What IS the issue, according to you?

Dee said...

IPF,
You are still missing it.
Reread the article.

It says, "Immigration agents mixed garcia up with another man who has since been arrested. (for using a false ss #)"
YES THEY ARRESTED HIM FIRST BECAUSE THEY MISTOOK ONE GARCIA FOR ANOTHER. REMEMBER THE PART OF THE ARTICLE THAT THIS IS A STING OPERATION!!! RACIAL PROFILED ONE GARCIA FOR ANOTHER!!

His wife said:
"I don't understand why they'd do that to him," said Olivia Garcia.

The Garcia's have lived in Texas for years. Jesus Garcia is a U.S. Resident and has a valid social security number.

Garcias Lawyers are calling it a case of a mistaken identity and a case involving RACIAL PROFILING!!


They should release him immediately.

Dee said...

Hran,
Your question re: Chinese - sending thousands of citizens to MX.. it is already happening.

Throughout the 20th century Europeans, especially Germans immigrated to Mexico. This is nothing new.

Native North Americans have been experiencing high rates of immigration from other countries including Europe and Asia for centuries.

Anonymous said...

Chinese immigrating to Mexico vs
Mexicans immigrating to the U.S.-hmmmmmmm
NOT EVEN CLOSE DEE!!!!

Dee said...

Hran, Since you admit you are a White Nationalist (WN), I dont see how you can claim you are not a racist. WNs reject equality as an ideal and insist that White Anglo Saxons are superior than other ethnicities. So how can you say this is not racist. The very fact that You believe Whites are superior than other ethnicities proves this.

Dee said...

Anon 2, He asked. I answered. Because you dont like the answer, cést la vie

Liquidmicro said...

White Nationalist, Dee's and Anon's version = Racist

I see it as Nationalist vs Globalist. I'm NO globalist, and I am white, does that make me a White Nationalist as well? Nationalist has more than one meaning.

You're not understanding what IP is saying Dee. He even stated that Garcia should be released immediately. Your lack of communication and comprehension today is as Anon puts it: HOW F***ING GROTESQUE!!!

Sorry Anon, your version of the truth is just that, your version, nice open mind and discussion going on with you. (sarcasm)

YES DEE, the "Illegal Immigrant" probably used Garcia's SS#, thus ICE mistakenly arrested Garcia, don't let the information smack you in the nose, its all right there. Now, from what I have read, Garcia should be released providing he has not yet been. Mistaken identity, no matter the RACE, happens to everybody and any color.

Dee said...

Liquid, You are mixing up a couple of conversations here.

Hran is a somewhat new visitor here. I think he came over from Latina Listas blog. He is a welcome addition because he is civil and has an interesting perspective. He is an admitted White Nationalist. He has said so on a few of my posts.

I am trying to understand why he thinks being a WN is non racist. I am hoping he can explain that particular perspective and Ive asked him a few times in a few different ways.

He is sort of skirting the issue by asking me questions about Tibet and China and what would I say if China invades MX with illegal immigrants (to which I responded "they already are.")

We are just trying to learn and understand people Liquid. (my, you are touchy on this nice TGIF)

I will respond to your IPF topic in my next response.

Hran said...

Dee.

I'm talking about a hypothetical situation where hundreds of thousands of Chinese come in every year, until the population of Mexico is 50% ethnic Chinese. That would cause a lot of political and ethnic unrest. I suspect the Mexicans would be up in arms, and have a very nationalist ("racist") view of the situation.

From what I understand, Mexico has only about 10% in the "white only" category. The rest is Mestizo or Native American. Furthermore, European immigrants have culturally assimilated in Mexico. There is no comparison to what's going on in the U.S. right now.

In the U.S. we're not talking about 10% Latino, but massive immigration to the point where white Americans are less than 30% of the population in certain regions (LA county, where I live, for instance).

Dee said...

Liquid,
IPF(reely) and I and Anon1 have been discussing the Sweep post. He keeps insisting Garcia 1 was arrested for using a false SS, but I clarified for him that this was not the case. Instead, ICE has admitted they arrested him in error and were really looking for another Garcia who actually may have used an incorrect SS#.
Hope you have it clear now, Liquid.

We also were referencing Latina Lista´s article about how Pilgrims Pride has been hiring illegal immigrants and setting them up in this sting operation with ICE for over a year and how unfair this is.

And finally, Anon1 is just appalled that all of this racial profiling and other issues are occurring and the ANTIs are denying the root cause.

Now Liquid, you are caught up.

Lets have good civil discussions this nice Friday eve.

Hran said...

Dee,

I realize the term "white nationalist" has negative connotations, but if one believes in returning to the traditional ethnic make up of the U.S., then that implies "white" nationalism, because he would want to maintain the white majority and traditional white identity of the US.

As for whites being "superior" it depends on what you mean by the term. I think whites are demonstrably better at certain things, but then other groups have their unique characteristics as well. The best way to maintain this diversity for each ethnic group to have its own country. Mixing just leads to chaos, disorder, and LOSS of diversity.

I don't want whites to rule over or dominate other ethnic groups. Ironically, the liberals who claim to be non-racist DO want an ethnic division of labor. They want brown people to do all the manual labor, working in agriculture, food service, construction, etc. That resembles a colonial, imperialist economic model, does it not?

Dee said...

Hran,
You are mixing up apples and oranges. Mestizos (Latins) and Native Americans, at least a % of their ethnicity, are native to this land. Neither of these groups is coming over across an ocean and invading.

If you look at the ethnicity demographics in the US you see the SouthWest states are already majority minority states. The census bureau has published these reports since the 1950s. There is no new news here.

Dee said...

Hran,
When you talk about separation of the races it brings to mind, how do you propose stopping the mixing?
What ethnicities can and cannot be married? Do you separate Northern European from Southern European? Can an Anglo be Italian or Greek? How about Middle Eastern? Must they be Christian? Can they be Jewish or Muslim?

Dee said...

Hran,
Are all Caucausians ok to intermingle, in your mind? You do realize Latinos are Caucasian.
I would need to know exactly who cannot mix, how you stop the mixing, and what do you do when the mixing has already been done?

Dee said...

Hran,
What percent of mixing is permissable? Is 1% of Black or Latino blood = non white?

Hran said...

Dee.

"Mestizos (Latins) and Native Americans, at least a % of their ethnicity, are native to this land. Neither of these groups is coming over across an ocean and invading."

Ah, that's what I was getting at. You are saying that Mestizos have some innate claim to the entire continent of North America even if their ancestral tribe is from Central America.

Fair enough. But realize that that is a "brown nationalist" argument.

Anon 1 said...

Dee please do not try reasoning with these ppl. They live in a whole 'nother time-stream in a whole 'nother dimention (MAYBERRY?). All I'm saying is I believe that we should not racial profile, NO SKIN COLOR IS SUPERIOR TO ANOTHER, and I apologize if I offended anyone with the -f- comment (even though I didn't type it out), but come one ppl, use common sense

Dee said...

Anon 1,
I am just attempting to understand Hran and his White Nationalism perspective. He does not seem to understand the innate racism of the WN philosophy, OR, perhaps he does but is using his argument to see how far he can go with it to sanitize his argument and make it politically correct.

One thing I want him to clearly explain and document. Who does he consider white? Who in the following category is WHITE to him?
Italians? Greeks? Jews? Middle Easterners? Russian? Asian? Latinos? or is it only Northern Europeans with fair skin?

I think the latter. Once he acknowledges this, then we can clearly define his perspective. It is what it is.

Hran said...

Dee,

By white I mean the indigenous population of Europe. The core ancestry of America is northwestern Europe, primarily from Britain. Added to that are large immigrations from Italy and Eastern Europe. These immigrants have been largely assimilated though some still retain their ethnic identity as Italian or Irish Americans, etc. In WN terms, that's OK.

The questions you ask about the edges of the category of "white" are good ones. I'll have to think more on it. In general, I think we should define America as a white nation and favor northern European ancestry. This is not unreasonable from a legal standpoint, since that was the idea behind the 1924 immigration legislation.

There are different genetic tests one can use to determine % ancestry. See: www.ancestrybydna.com

I don't think this is a big issue, however. There are very few persons, according to the U.S. census, that are in the "Persons reporting two or more races" category, only 1.6% of the total population of the U.S.

As for miscegenation, I think the states should be allowed to make laws against it.

Technically, if a person has any non-European ancestry they are not white. But this is a moot point. I'm not in favor of repatriation of someone because they are 3% Korean or of some other non-European ethnic group. But people who are 100% Korean, Chinese, Arab, etc: we should repatriate those non-citizens and encourage those citizens (with financial incentives) to repatriate.

Theoretically, WN is not against immigrants from Latin or South American countries who are of European ancestry, provided they assimilate and do not agitate for more non-white immigrants from their home countries.

However, in practical terms, there is no way to give a genetic test to everyone immigrating from those countries. Therefore, we have to forbid all immigration from points south.

Hran said...

anon 1:

At least Dee is willing to consider another position, even though she disagrees with it. You seem to want to cut off all other opinions but your own.

If you hold the "race blind" theory, I understand. I used to be a good race blind liberal too.

Dee said...

Hran,
You advocate a Genetic Test.

Interesting.
White Latinos are ok by you too.
You oppose Asian, including Korean, Chinese. You also oppose Middle Eastern – Arab, Muslim and Jewish.
Those not white enough for you who do not pass your genetic test are to be repatriated.

Now for the million dollar question.
Native Americans and Mestisos – (non-white), those Native to America. What do you propose will happen to them? Obviously if they repatriate they are already home. What happens to them?

Liquidmicro said...

Dee said...

Liquid, You are mixing up a couple of conversations here.


My god, Dee, you think I am not following along. You think I am inane?

I understand exactly what IP said, he even said Garcia (Citizen) should be released after the "Illegal Immigrant" who used his SS# was caught. You failed to read what he said. It is a case of mistaken identity only to the point of the SS#. There is no racial profiling in it. At no point does IP insist that Garcia 1 was arrested for a stolen SS#, he says the "Illegal" was arrested for the stolen SS#. Garcia was arrested simply because he is the owner of that SS#, it fell back to him. Lets do this, I steal your SS#, I am found to be working Illegally, they match your SS# to you, take you in for working, later realize it was not you but someone else, they then arrest me while detaining you to verify you didn't sell me your SS number. Do you get it now?

Dee says:
RACIAL PROFILED ONE GARCIA FOR ANOTHER!!

That is not racial profiling, that is mistaken identity simply due to having the same SS#.




Hran is saying "people who are 100% Korean, Chinese, Arab, etc: we should repatriate those non-citizens and encourage those citizens (with financial incentives) to repatriate."

Do you see the non-citizen part in his sentence? That equals "Illegal Immigrant", no?

About Pilgrims Pride, are you aware that 36 of the "Illegals" were released today given ankle monitoring systems and will be given court dates? Please don't think I am behind or that I don't know or understand who is saying what. If I don't know or understand something I will ask, until then.

Liquidmicro said...

Attorneys Claim ICE Raids Violated Civil Rights

Here, Dee, now you keep up.

Liquidmicro said...

"Mrs. Garcia said her husband called her from jail and said it was another man, Joseph Garcia, that the officers wanted, but that they wouldn't release him until Monday.

Domingo Garcia said the case appeared to be one of mistaken identity and a man was separated from his family. He said the indictments remained sealed so he didn't understand the allegations, but Jesus Garcia had been working at the plant for a long time. He said he believes it was probably a bureaucratic error but the man was still in the Gregg County Jail.

Spencer said the government had not dismissed Garcia's indictment, which was still pending. He said when they do file a motion to dismiss a case, the person is released from jail extremely quickly. "

NO Racial Profiling!!!! YES Mistaken Identity!!!! Can you figure it out Maegan, Anon 1, and Dee? Or am I going to fast for you?

patriot said...

liquid, I don't know about you but I am still reeling from the debate with dee on the Melanie Bowers incident. Looks like this another one of dee's mental block debates. Sometimes I think that it is better to go beat one's head on a wall till it's a bloody pulp rather than trying to get thru to dee on anything. I know one former debator of hers that is still in mental therapy, lol.

Hran said...

Dee,

I don't "oppose" Asians. I know many and they are fine people. I just think white Americans should remain the majority in their own country. For example, in Los Angeles, there are large blocks of unassimilated Asians and various other nationalities. They are not American. We should halt further immigration and encourage them to repatriate.

As for Native Americans, Hopi, Zuni, Navajo, Pima, Sioux, etc. They are in a different class than Mestizos. Let the latter try to become members of the Cherokee Nation and see if their Mayan or Aztec ancestry counts. The American tribes have a legal identity and a traditional relationship with the U.S. government. This is not true for Central American Indians.

I consider American Jews white. They are a very small portion of the population and are not pouring into the country at an alarming rate. They do not threaten to change the large-scale ethnic identity of America.

I don't "advocate" a genetic test for citizenship or as a criterion for immigration. We should stop all legal immigration and the issuance of visas until we get control of the nation.

patriot said...

Here are my thoughts on this issue.
Well,let's see, we're being "guilted" into believing that if we object to becoming the minority in our own country (through illegal immigration no less), that we are "racist" and xenophobic! When the facts are that NO PEOPLE ANYWHERE would allow such a thing to happen without objection!

I have come to resent it particulary because every single one of these ethnic/racial groups are the majority in their homelands. Particularly in the case of Latinos, they are already the majority in every single one of their 22 countries. Those countries are NOT being overrun with illegals from another ethnic group. Yet, they feel some kind of entitlement to come here illegally. If we object to being ethnically cleansed (the real definition rather than genocide) out of our own country, WE are the racists! So, according to them, we have no right to protest our extinction. Amazing, isn't it?

The question: is it really "racist" to be concerned with the survival of your own race or ethnic group? I don't think so.

Dee should realize that even the so-called "Native Americans" are not really "indigenous" to this land. They too immigrated here over the land bridge through the Bering Straits. But, ok--the "Native Americans" should be able to stay here. They only comprise a small percentage of the population.

The Mexicans and Central/South Americans, however, are NOT indigenous to this part of the continent. They need to return back to their homelands of Mexico and Central America (the illegals). This belief that ANYONE of indigenous ancestry has an inherent right to live ANYWHERE on the continent is a "brown nationalist" ideology--making them NO BETTER than the white nationalists they so condemn!

Hran said...

patriot: Well said.

Liquidmicro said...

"Dee and the others" are looking for anything to substantiate there desires. Racial Profiling, how can one be racially profiled while sitting at home, simply because someone else was using his SS#. Its clearly a case of mistaken identity, even Domingo is stating its just a case of mistaken identity. Yet these (insert word here) can't comprehend simple information.

Liquidmicro said...

"Mistaken Identity" Detainee's Indictment Dismissed

Still keeping up guys?

Defenition of Mistaken Identity:
Oscar Garcia:
"Mistaken identity is a defense in criminal law which claims the actual innocence of the criminal defendant, and attempts to undermine evidence of guilt by asserting that any eyewitness to the crime incorrectly thought that they saw the defendant, when in fact the person seen by the witness was someone else. The defendant may question both the memory of the witness (suggesting, for example, that the identification is the result of a false memory), and the perception of the witness (suggesting, for example, that the witness had poor eyesight, or that the crime occurred in a poorly lit place).

Because the prosecution in a criminal case must prove the guilt of the accused beyond a reasonable doubt, the defendant must convince the jury that there is reasonable doubt about whether the witness actually saw what the witness claims to have seen, or recalls having seen. Although scientific studies have shown that mistaken identity is a common phenomenon, jurors give very strong credence to eyewitness testimony, particularly where the eyewitness is resolute in believing that their identification of the defendant was correct."

Dee said...

Pat,
Tell T I am sad for her and hope she gets out of therapy soon.
Sometimes a shot of Tequila helps little birds!

Pat said:
I know one former debator of hers that is still in mental therapy, lol.

Dee said...

Liquid,
I am glad you are finally caught up with this Mistaken Identity-Racial Profiling case. I know it took Wikipedia to help you out.
As the lawyer said, "Sometimes they don't treat you right because you don't know the language...the agents didn't understand spanish-speakers," said Garcia.

Dee said...

HRAN,
You seem to be attempting to modify your WN Core Statement from 3 blogs ago to a politically correct, sanitized statement.
Do you, as a WN, advocate a separate White ethno state in the US or are you disavowing your Original Statement?
Do you Advocate: Stopping the immigration of non-white? Stopping the intermarrying or mixing of races? Asking all non White citizens to move to countries of what you perceive as their ethnic origin? Native Americans to reside in Reservations?

Come on out with it HRAN, Is the WN philosophy below your desired state for the US or are you NOW changing your mind and disavowing it?


HRANs White Nationalist Core Statement from three posts ago said:
"My ideal is a white American ethno-state where we can be left alone to do what we do. I don't want my ethnic group to be intermixed and surrounded by other groups. Over time, that would mean an end to it."

Hran said...

Dee,

You are correct, there is an inconsistency between these two goals:

1. An American white ethno-state.
2. A return to and maintenance of the traditional American ethnic composition.

At this point, I actually favor #2 over #1. #2 is still a "white nationalist" goal. And one, by the way, that blacks and Native Americans should embrace, because they benefit from a white majority nation.

As for #1, I think this is the proper goal of European countries.

You ask:

"Do you Advocate:"

1. "Stopping the immigration of non-white?"

Yes, absolutely.

2. "Stopping the intermarrying or mixing of races?"

We can't stop people from mixing, but the States should be allowed to make laws against miscegenation and mixed-race marriages.

3. "Asking all non White citizens to move to countries of what you perceive as their ethnic origin?"

No, not "perceived" origin, but their OBVIOUS ethnic origin. Ones that THEY acknowledge. But yes, I advocate repatriation of the non-traditional American ethnic groups. This does not apply to the descendants of black slaves or Native Americans.

4. "Native Americans to reside in Reservations?"

No, Native Americans can do as they please.

But here's my question for you: Why would a Native American tribe like the Hopi WANT to move off of their ancestral land? Their best chance of preserving their culture, language, and race is to maintain a geographic region that is all Hopi.

In your multicultural ideal, the Hopi would spread out and inter-marry with various non-Hopis. And guess what: that's the surest way to annihilate them as a people.

That is the basic contradiction of your multicultural, multi-ethnic ideal nation. Eventually, it leads to the destruction of diversity.

Dee said...

Hran,
I am glad you clearly explained your perspective.
You certainly are welcome to your own individual beliefs, but I doubt anything ever comes of them.
Far too many people, both ANTI and PRO, disagree with you. Many ANTIs are married to other ethnicities including Lou Dobbs (to a Latina) and many of the minutemen leaders. Even Liquid.

Liquidmicro said...

Latest update:

"We think it is a case of mistaken identity," said Fernando Dubove, Mr. García's attorney. "It is the wrong Jesus García. It is really tough when you have a common name."

Government agents were looking for John Jesus García, when they picked up the man with a similar name, his client Jesus García, Mr. Dubove said.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/world/stories/DN-wrongman_19met.ART.State.Edition2.46bdb93.html

Dee said...

Thank you for proving my point Liquid.

Mistaken Latino Name-Racial Profiling IS a Terrible Thing!!

Maybe all Latino Citizens should change their name to SMITH. I doubt it would make much difference. So many ANTIs see brown and think illegal immigrant.

patriot said...

You're getting desperate and irrational again, dee.

Liquidmicro said...

There is nothing in the argument about RACIAL PROFILING!!!!! Get that through your head. It is clearly a case of mistaken identity, even Jesus lawyer says "Mistaken Identity!" The man they were after was John Jesus Garcia. How many Jesus Garcia's are there, I'm betting quite a few. How many of the Jesus Garcia's are Hispanic, I'm guessing again, all of them. Now, John and Jesus both worked at the same plant, they picked up Jesus Garcia thinking he was John Jesus Garcia. But we all know that you PRO's can't comprehend the simple evidence.

patriot said...

liquid, I think that dee has a tamale stuck between her two ears and there ia a mariachi band playing in head all day. It is inhibiting her comprehension abilities.

Liquidmicro said...

Its just Dee using trigger words to create her ideals of "its all hate", trying to make us "red faced and angry". Give it a minute and Anon1 will agree with her and say that she wins hands down again. Yet Anon1 never can give his own opinion on the topic of discussion.

Dee said...

Liquid,
I dont see why it is so difficult for you to understand the concept of Racial Profiling.
Arpaio uses it when tackling a city like Guadalupe, AZ. A city primarily Latino. Stop and harrass them all!! Who cares. They are ALL Latino! Even in the middle of a children´s confirmation ceremony.

Or when ICE does its sweeps. Anyone with a name like Lopez or Garcia or Perez better beware!!! They are going to get targetted!!

Its all the same thing Liquid.
Why on earth dont you get it??

(Cuz you dont want to)

Liquidmicro said...

Would it be better if the sheriff was a Latino? or a Black? or a Asian? How do you propose to bring these "Illegal Immigrants" out of the shadows? How do you propose to apprehend those that don't come out? Your Racial Profiling is your lack of understanding the definition of Racial Profiling. Your ignorance beffuttles the mind.

MISTAKEN IDENTITY due to having the same name is NOT RACIAL PROFILING!!

Dee said...

It is MIND BOGGLING to me that YOU CHOOSE not understand the concept of Racial Profiling. As I said, Arpaio uses it when tackling a city like Guadalupe, AZ. A city primarily Latino. Stop and harrass them all!! Who cares. They are ALL Latino! Even in the middle of a children´s confirmation ceremony.

Or when ICE does its sweeps. Anyone with a name like Lopez or Garcia or Perez better beware!!! They are going to get targetted!!

patriot said...

Obviously since most illegals are latinos, latinos will be the ones questioned. How would law enforcement know if they are legal or not unless they DID question them and ask for I.D? You don't give a rap about a little inconvenience to Hispanic citizens, dee. Your agenda is to protect latino illegal aliens and that is why you object to the questioning and scream racial profiling. IT IS ALL ABOUT PROTECTING ILLEGAL ALIENS TO YOU, NOTHING ELSE!

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