Sunday, October 18, 2009

Poor RNC Chairman Steele! Interviews with Univision and Provides his Fox Answers!

My friend, Latina Lista, posted a great column about Michael Steele, RNC Chairman, being interviewed on Univision. Based upon his answers, you would have thought he was interviewing with Fox. I wonder if he understands how utterly inhumane and anti-Latino his responses sounded. Is he that much of an air-head that he just doesn't get his audience? His own party barely tolerates him. Limbaugh, Beck and O'Reilley make fun of him. Now he goes on Univision and sounds like a callous fool. What is up with that?!?
I almost feel sorry for the guy! He doesn't even get it!
Summary of Transcript:
Q1. Obama - Nobel Peace Prize.
Steele: He didn't deserve it.
Q2. Racist Attacks Against President Obama by Beck, Fox, et al. Should you defend the President.
Steele: No. Let him deal with it on his own. I had to.
Q3. Olympia Snow voting for healthcare reform. Will more Republicans vote for it?
Steele: No.
Q4. +40M Americans have no healthcare: who's gonna pay for it?
Steele: businesses need to get it for them, not government. Apply elbow grease.
Q5. Immigration Reform. What do you do with the 12M?
Steele: 1. it affects lives. recognize that. 2. respect the rule of law. So assimilate and come in legally. That gets us on the right track.
Q6. Why refer to them as illegal aliens vs undocumented workers?
Steele: I call it what it is.
Q7. Republican party not getting hispanic votes. how do you change that?
Steele: Most Latinos don't care about Immigration. Republicans should engage in discussion about small business, education, healthcare.


40 comments:

JS said...

I am trying to figure out what he said that would be considered anti-Latino. He didn't even mention Latinos.

JS said...

Actually I wouldn't say that calling the president a racist is a racist attack on him it was a character attack. If it were truly a racist attack Beck, etc. would have made negative remarks about Obama's race or skin color. They just think Obama is a racist because of his long ties to Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Here is how the question was actually worded to Steele.

Jorge Ramos - For instance, when you hear commentators like Glenn Beck saying that for him President Barack Obama is a racist, with a deep seeded hatred for white people, how do you react?

Michael Steele - That's one man's opinion.

Dee said...

JS,
Obviously you do not get it.

He was being interviewed on Univision. The primary audience are Latinos. Read his answers on Immigration. He never answered "what do you do with the 12M there" question. Instead he said suck it up and get in line.
He may as well have been talking to Fox.
He obviously does not understand the Latino perspective, the history of immigration, how they got here or anything about Comprehensive Immigration Reform. Even McCain understood this. Not Michael Steele. You would think he was talking to a group of "ole boys" saying: Yep. Kick em all out. Get in Line. Getter Done.

In regard to the illegal alien answer, he may as well have been talking to Fox again. "yep. i call em as I see em!"

It would be like McCain going on BET and answering a question about repatriation by saying "nope. not in favor of it. suck it up."

Dee said...

JS,
I almost feel sorry for Beck. I read his bio. He has a history of mental disease, alcohol and drug abuse as well as his mother and brother committing suicide. Fox is making him sicker and sicker by providing him a public forum. He craves attention and that is why he cries and blubbers away on TV. Such a shame.

You are incorrect about Beck's quote. Here is what he said on Fox and Friends.

Beck exclaimed that Obama has "over and over again" exposed himself as "a guy who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture. I don't know what it is..."

When Fox's Brian Kilmeadeon pointed out that many people in Obama's administration are white, so "you can't say he doesn't like white people," Beck pressed on. "I'm not saying he doesn't like white people, I'm saying he has a problem," Beck said. "This guy is, I believe, a racist."

See...Beck's thinking is all convoluted. I think it is part of his mental illness.

Dee said...

I saw Beck crying over an old commercial, "do you remember the times of your life." He was weeping out loud, tears streaming down his cheeks, pandering to the camera.

What is he missing? When you consider all of the tragedy in his own childhood, what is he missing????

A commercial from the 80's written by Paul Anka which depicted an idealized perception of family?

As I said, I almost feel sorry for him if he wasn't crazily influencing so many people in a negative way!

JS said...

Here is what Steele actually said about immigraton. Why is it an insult to Latinos for immigrants to wait their turn in line and do it the right way? By the way, I have absolultely no use for Beck so no need to preach to me about him.

Jorge Ramos - Mr. Steele, lets talk a little bit about immigration, you've said that we need meaningful immigration reform. I want to find out exactly what you mean, what would you do for instance with the 12 million undocumented immigrants who are already here in the United States, what is your plan?

Michael Steele - Well, and that's a very good question and that becomes the jump up point for any discussion among others that we need to deal with. First, I think my first view of it is; I am sick and tired of people playing the hot politics of immigration. I am hoping the administration as we get ready to go into next year and future years bring the level head to it. I am certainly arguing for Republicans to have a level head in dealing with this issue, because it affects people's lives, whether they are here illegally or legally, it affects lives. So that is the first and foremost thing, we got to stay true to our character as a nation, we must recognize that. Number two, I think as I found with a lot of Hispanics, particularly those who have been here for several generations, they understand and respect the rule of law that is so important as a foundational principle of this country...I can sum it up for you this way, the party as I said is always the party, its been the party of assimilation and that is something that we believe in very firmly and basically what we should be saying is that there are rules that you need to get into the country, go the right door, fill out the right form, have some apple pie, hum a few bars of the star spangle banner and get to work, God bless you, and I think that that begins to set us on the right road to dealing with this issue.

Dee said...

JS,
I know what he said. I provided the link. (I like you so don't think I am picking on you.)

And tell me how he answered the question of what to do about the 12M here? He didn't.

I go back to my summary:
Q5. Immigration Reform. What do you do with the 12M?
Steele: 1. it affects lives. recognize that. 2. respect the rule of law. So assimilate and come in legally. That gets us on the right track.

And I also go back to:
Remember his audience --- Univision.

With answers as he provided, why on earth did he even bother??

JS said...

Steele actually dodged the question as to what to do with those already in our country illegally. What he did was to just repeat the right way that immigrants should come to our country which really had no bearing on or didn't answer the question. His motives for not answering or his real views on this I don't know. Perhaps he was afraid to be truthful in view of the fact that it was Univision interviewing him. I don't understand why immigration is considered to be only a Hispanic issue anyway.

JS said...

I posted his actual responses to show that Steele did not say "suck it up" nor did he imply it. He simply didn't really answer the question posed to him.

Anonymous said...

If we had said such a thing about a black democrat we would be called racists. "His Fox answers"? You mean he isn't expressing his own views? Are your views the NCLR answers rather than your own?

Anonymous said...

So his audience was Univision and their followers. Does that mean that he should have given them the answers that they wanted to hear rather than sharing his own views?

Didn't Univision invite him to share his views? Don't know why you said "why did he bother". In other words he shouldn't have bothered to accept their invitation unless he was planning on siding with them? Oh boy, insert rolling eyes here.

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Vicente Duque said...

Thoughts about the Enemies and Detractors of Great Men - Their remains in History Books may be only footnotes or Cartoons to laugh


I like Mr Obama and I believe that he is going to be a Great President for Future Generations to admire and revere.

His enemies and detractors are going to be seen in the Future as Great Fools, people filled with Envy, Resentment, Jealousy, "sour grapes", Revenge for their lot in life, losers and failed politicians or journalists, etc ...

Let's think of the Enemies of Abraham Lincoln, of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, etc ....

What are they today ?? ...... Poor Fools forgotten in the garbage dump of History. Perhaps if they are lucky they will be footnotes. Their remains in History Books may be only Cartoons to laugh

We see cartoons of the time of FDR, like one of Wealthy People, the Rich Hostess inviting to speak against Roosevelt.

"The greatest of all anti-FDR cartoons is Arno’s group of wealthy clubmen and dowagers speaking to a man in the window of his mansion; "Come along. We’re going to the Trans-Lux to hiss Roosevelt," chortles the white-mustached old man".

This is a famous cartoon of Peter Arno.

The rich were greatly benefited by FDR and the Economic Recovery. See the Great Cartoon here :

"Let's go to the Trans-Lux and hiss Roosevelt!"

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/cartoonamerica/cartoon-punch.html

Milenials.com

Vicente Duque

ultima said...

Glen Beck is an idiot but to give him his due he occasionally comes up with a story or some facts that the Obama media overlook.

Steele may not be the most articulate Chair of the RNC but he tells it like it is. I find very little to fault him for in his comments in spite of the audience.

I personally would have gone much further to explain to the audience why it is in their own best interest to support immigration reform that will enable us to stabilize our population. Even ethnocentrists should be able to understand that the more of us there are, the less there will be for each of us.

He could have asked Jorge, "Do you think those who have violated the immigration laws of our country should be rewarded through mass legalization?"

Hispanics who are loyal to the U.S. should agree with Steele on this issue if they really think about what open borders and amnesty will mean -- Mexico Norte with all the ills, joblessness, poverty, etc. of the original.

I sometimes dispair because so few Hispanics seem to get it. It shouldn't take any intelligent person until the end of this century when our population is 0.6 - 1.1 billion to realize the folly of the kind of CIR some favor as opposed to tax and immigration policies that would enable us to achieve a stable population with a soft landing for our economy. Population-driven economic growth is unsustainable and will surely reduce our standard of living and quality of life. Steele could have said that.

Dee said...

JS, Anon and Ultima,
Let's all agree to the following:
1. Steele did not answer the "what to do about the 12M" question and instead side stepped it.

2. Motivation: He participated in the Univision interview (either by invitation or by his own request) to woo Latino voters.

Knowing these 2 truths, go back and read his answers again. He is side stepping questions and if he does have the ANTI view, as Ultima says, his responses were not strong enough. He wound up sounding like he was side stepping the questions instead of answering them directly.

He will never sway Latino voters and will in fact lose them with this type of performance.

My advice to him:
1. Come out strongly with your perspective
2. Answer the questions directly
3. Let the people decide if they are for you or against you.

If you don't, people will think you are two faced, mealy mouthed politician.

Dee said...

If he has the ANTI perspective on Immigration and wanted to win over Latino vote based on Family Values then he should have said so. Point blank. Something like:

Steele: "I am a strong believer is secure borders. Beef up the borders. Send the 12M back to country of origin through attrition or mass deportation. Those of you who disagree with me, then don't vote Republican again.

I do believe Republicans share the same Family, Christian and Conservative values. Those of you who agree with me should join the Republican party.

As far as the economy is concerned, I do not believe in socialism. We do not need more government intervention or socialism. We should to away with social policies of all sorts, including Medicare and Social Security. Let the states decide these issues, not the federal government. If you agree, join the republican party. If not, join the democratic party."

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If Steele did this, then people would at least respect him for telling the truth and knowing where he stood and be for him/ Republicans or against them.

JS said...

Except that there are many conservative Democrats whose views on immigration and social issues are closely related to Republican values and vice versa. Neither party is a one size fits all. Too much stereotyping of both parties IMO.

Dee said...

JS,
You are right in that Republicans do have varying views on Immigration. Not all Republicans are ANTIs.

There is a core group of Republicans, the good ole boys, the so called christian conservatives, the base, those that watch Limbaugh, Beck and Dobbs that are ole school ANTIs. That is who I refer to, NOT progressive, centrist Republicans.

JS said...

Not all Democrats have the same immigration views either. I fail to see what anyone chooses to watch on tv has to do with anything. I watch a variety of conservative and liberal talk show hosts just so I can find out what each side bases their views on even though mine are already pretty much set based on certain factors and no talk show host could ever sway me.

Dee said...

JS,
Well good for you.
You do not allow Fox or any other network to sway your view.

I salute you and support you!

You should start a blog and share your own unique thoughts with the world. That is what we should ALL do!

JS said...

Actually, I think that most Americans already hold certain views on the issues and they are already either conservative, liberal or somewhere in the middle so they watch the shows that best reflect their own views. I watch both conservative and liberal talk show hosts but I watch the one I disagree with out of curiosity of what makes them tick.

I Travel for JOOLS said...

Let's look at facts.

17 percent REAL unemployment. How much higher does unemployment have to go before people revolt? Are Latino American citizens willing to give up their chances at jobs so illegal aliens from Lithuania or Africa can live the American dream? I don't think so. Be honest. If we weren't talking about illegal immigrants from Mexico here, you wouldn't be singing the same song, Dee.

Dee said...

Jools,
Reports say we are at 9.8% unemployment overall. Results vary by state. In TX, it's 8.2%.

The job market is improving, especially in the medical and service fields. Service jobs pay well.

If someone seriously wants to find a job they can do so.

ultima said...

According to Jorge Ramos"
“There are entire days in which I do not have to pronounce a single word in English, nor do I eat hamburgers or pizzas, and I certainly don’t watch TV programs in a language besides Spanish. Sometimes all the emails I receive are in Spanish and those who greet me say ‘hola’ or ‘al√≥’ but not ‘hello’. This would be normal in Bogota, Santiago or San Salvador. But it is becoming more frequent in cities such as New York, Los Angeles, Houston, Miami and Chicago.
“Why? Well, it’s because the United States is undergoing a true demographic revolution. Some like to call it “la reconquista”. The same territories that Mexico lost to the United States in 1848—Arizona, Texas, California...- and many others that did not form part of the Mexican Republic—such as Florida and Illinois –are experiencing a genuine cultural invasion. ...in many of these places Spanish predominates over English and they sell more tortillas and hot sauce than bagels and ketchup...
“Presently there are more than 40 million Latinos living in the United States—to the 35 million that the Census counts you have to add the 8 million."

In othere words he agrees Mexico Norte is a work in progress and that the U.S. will be Latinized.

ultima said...

More of Jorge Ramos:

"“The famous and stereotypical idea of the melting pot is a myth. The European immigrants—Italians, Germans and Poles, that preceded the Latinos assimilated rapidly to the American culture. But the Latinos have achieved the feat of integrating economically to the United States without losing their culture. Such a phenomenon has never occurred before.”

ultima said...

Which contradicts his remarks on another occasion as follows:

"Hispanics... are following... exactly the same path as other immigrants. That’s what happened with the Irish and what happened with the Italians....We are assimilating at a very fast pace.”

ultima said...

In his current “Latinization” column, Ramos gloated further:
“....the growth of the Latino community is assured.... If present tendencies maintain, in less than 50 years there will be 100 million Hispanics in the United States and only Mexico will have more Spanish—speakers.”

ultima said...

Jorge Ramos is a citizen of Mexico. Yet he brazenly promotes, on U.S. soil and with the superstar status he is permitted, his vision of America’s future—the colonization of the U.S. by Latin America.
How about American citizens? Do they have any say?

Dee said...

Ultima,
I googled your quotes from Ramos. I found them and other references of yours on VDare, the website utilized by White Nationalists, especially Steve Sailor, who advocates the end to any Immigration (legal or otherwise) and White Supremacy. Does he represent your viewpoint Ulty? I think not. And Jorge Ramos does not represent mine. Although I do understand Ramos' perspective. He works for Univision, a Spanish Language network. Of course he speaks Spanish all of the time and receives email in spanish. Duh! That's his job. I don't think he is as extreme as Sailor is or a racist like Sailor. I think Ramos has a point of view and it is his own.

From my point of view, English is the dominant language in the USA and all NEW immigrants study to learn it. However, I think it is good to know and learn 2 or 3 other languages other than your dominant language.

Why do people watch Univision. Well, their most popular programs are the telenovelas, the soap operas. There are days I can't find a thing on TV and go to Univision to watch the novelas. They are fun to watch plus I brush up on my Spanish. I think lots of their viewers are like me. My husband likes to watch their game and variety shows. He doesn't understand what they are saying but he too thinks they are fun to watch.

I think VDare took a lot of what Ramos said out of context. They do that a lot on their website. I usually visit them once a week just to see what garbage they are pushing.

ultima said...

He gets it. He should be admired for his candor.

ultima said...

Are any of the statements by Ramos nonfactual or misquoted?

Sure I understand he plays to his Hispanic audience to get the TV ratings his station wants and needs.

I hesitated to use the V-Dare site but found that translation was only one I could find for Ramos remarks.

ultima said...

Here's how I would have answered some of Ramos' questions;

Jorge Ramos - Let's start talking about the Noble Peace Prize. I remember clearly that when leaders of Guatemala, Argentina and South Africa won the Noble Peace Prize most of the citizens were celebrating. That was not the case here in America when President Barack Obama won the Noble Peace Prize. Why do you really believe he has done nothing to deserve it?

Me: "Perhaps it is an overstatement to say that he has done nothing to deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. But there is an old saying, “The proof of the pudding is in the eating.” From my perspective, it was way too soon to make this award. The Peace Prize has now become a politicized joke. The Norwegian who pushed for this award for Obama is now being harshly criticized.
It would be an important testimony to Obama’s character if he would simply turn down the prize or as a minimum ask that it be held in escrow until his efforts to contribute to a peaceful world actually bear fruit. It is not enough to simply make a few speeches and trips abroad, especially while the domestic economy warrants his full attention."

ultima said...

Jorge Ramos - I want to get your opinion on this comment. As you know a few days ago, a few weeks ago, President Carter said that, according to him, that the opposition to President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man. Do you agree?

Me: "It is undeniable that some of the opposition to Obama is based on his race and his unwillingness to produce all of the original documents necessary to prove his bona fides. He could have cleared up the latter issue with the stroke of a pen but instead some say he chose to take every step within his power to make sure those records were suppressed. However, the vast majority of the opposition is based on deep-seated philosophical differences. After his election, his penchant for courting the Europeans and Muslims did not help his case with the public. Certainly the shady characters in his background – Alinsky, Rezko, Blogojavich, Wright, and the Ex-Weathermen give one pause and are also a source of opposition. I believe he has also been caught in a number of outright lies. Some relate to the various health care reform proposals. As a minimum, one has to consider his answers to be completely disingenuous or evasive. He has also denied knowing Rod Blogojavich. He said that he had only seen him once, and only at a distance at a football game. Photographs abound showing Obama in many different settings in close company with Blogojavich. Unless there has been a major “photo shop” effort to discredit him, Obama appears to be one of the most flagrant liars of our time. In summary the answer is “no”. None of the substantive reasons I have cited for the opposition to his presidency have anything to do with race."

ultima said...

Jorge Ramos - Republican Senator Olympia Snowe has announced that she will vote for a healthcare reform bill. Are you disappointed, do you expect more Republicans to vote for it?

Me: "When one talks about reforms it is important to know exactly what reforms are being proposed. We are in agreement that healthcare costs are spiraling out of control and that something needs to be done. We agree with many of the proposals. Others we find overly intrusive. Based on our experience with Medicare and Medicaid, it is clear that the Congress has been unwilling to properly fund existing programs and government cost estimates are highly unreliable. That should give everyone pause before considering creating another new federal mandate. It is for this reason and many others that we oppose the so-called public option. This is another area in which Congressional leaders and the Administration have been disingenuous. On the one hand they say if we are happy with our present insurance plans, we can keep them. On the other, they propose a public option that will surely drive private insurers out of business. They also propose to eliminate or grossly modify the Medicare Advantage program. Doesn’t sound much like we will be able to continue with our present plans whatever they happen to be. The proposed reforms will not reduce cost of healthcare. They will simply shift those costs to others. And there are some authoritative studies that indicate cost will actually increase even faster.
Some Republicans will feel compelled to vote for the final reform bill even though they believe it to be a poor choice among the other alternatives."

ultima said...

Jorge Ramos - But there are 40 or 50 million people who don't have health insurance. Right?

Me: "Yes, there are a sizeable number of people without health insurance but many of them are young people who believe they don’t need it because they are healthy and therefore don’t want to spend the money. Most illegal aliens don’t have health insurance and the president has said that they will not get it under the reform bill. That, of course, opens a whole new issue which I’m sure you will ask about later. My solution to the illegal alien health care problem is to require those who hire foreign workers to be responsible for any unreimbursed healthcare costs their workers or their families incur. Any noncitizen that requires urgent medical attention must eventually provide the name of his or her employer who can then be billed for any charges the patient is unable to pay. Employers might soon learn that hiring foreign workers on the cheap with no benefits is no longer profitable. Removing those two categories of the uninsured from the count reduces it to more like 15 million."

ultima said...

Jorge Ramos - Let's talk a little bit about immigration, you've said that we need meaningful immigration reform. I want to find out exactly what you mean, what would you do for instance with the 12 million undocumented immigrants who are already here in the United States, what is your plan?

Me: "Meaningful immigration reform must begin with a national objective of a stable population. This can be achieved with tax and immigration policies that serve that goal. The concept of “cap and trade” has been suggested as an approach to curb pollution. That same approach would work to achieve a stable population. If any couple wishes to have more children than the replacement level, they would have to buy credits from those who wish to have fewer. The cap would be based on the net immigration, births, and deaths projected on an actuarial basis that would serve the national goal.
I am surprised that so many Hispanics do not appear to share this goal. Many seem to desire open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens. I don’t believe this is in their enlightened self-interest. I hope we don’t have to wait until the end of this century to learn that lesson. If we have 0.6 - 1.1 billion people in the U.S. by that time, you can be sure our standard of living will be lower and our quality of life will be diminished. The more there are of us, the less there will be for each of us, regardless of your ethnicity or citizenship status.
Americans produce 20 metric tons of pollutants per capita annually. At that rate, if we add 300 million more people by the end of this century, we will be adding another 6 billion tons of pollutants to the atmosphere annually. Even if, by some technological miracle, we were to be able to reduce our per capita output by half to that of Mexico, we would have made no progress in reducing the present unacceptable level as the population doubles.
Another argument I like to make is that the “limit” of finite natural resources per capita as population increases without bounds is zero. How much farther down that road do you think we should go?
Finally, you ask what I would propose regarding the 12 million illegal aliens in this country. Those who deal in hyperbolic arguments like to use the term “mass deportation”. Although mass deportation is logistically feasible as demonstrated by the repatriation of 8 million ethnic Germans from the Eastern Territories in 1945-6, no reasonable person is proposing that approach. What I think would satisfy the American people is a concerted effort to determine what jobs held by illegal aliens would be taken by citizens if offered a living wage and a hiring preference. Those illegals who survive such an advertising and hiring program could be offered a green card if they can pass a background check and a health exam. In other words, rather than anything resembling mass deportation, I would suggest a systematic process based on a mandatory E-verification system applied to all employers for current and new employees to sift through the 12 million to find out who is deserving of green card consideration and who is not. Although I believe the process should be expeditious with no more than a week for appeal once a removal order has been issued, I believe some will be able to make a good case for staying in the U.S.. Certainly evidence of cultural assimilation and social and linguistic integration would be important in this regard. If Hispanics would support an Official English law, most of the rest of the problems could be quickly solved."

ultima said...

Jorge Ramos - Why do you refer to undocumented immigrants as illegal aliens? I've spoken with John McCain and Barack Obama, to give you two examples, and they don't use those terms they call them undocumented immigrants. Why do you call them illegal aliens?

ME: "Euphemisms serve to obscure the reality. There is no point in papering over the fact that they are here illegally. Even though President Bush was generally favorable toward these folks, he often used the term “illegal aliens”. It is a neutral and factual term which we all should use. Senator McCain is well-known for his waffling on immigration issues. During the campaign he said angrily, “I’m not going to deport the grandmother of a soldier serving in Iraq.” He, like Obama, was being completely disingenuous. No one suggested that grandmothers of soldiers should be deported. That is ridiculous! The question related to all of the other illegal aliens, some of whom just crossed the border that day. I hope you appreciate the fact that I am being completely candid about this while others choose to pander to various factions within our population. I believe thoughtful Hispanics are naturally a part of the Republican Party and will understand what is in their own self-interest."

ultima said...

Jorge Ramos - One last question, in the last election the Republican party got 31 percent of the Hispanic vote down from 44 percent. What went wrong? And, how are you planning to get back the Hispanic vote? Especially when the majority of Latinos favor legalization.

Me: "Obviously, this will be a very difficult nut to crack if the majority of Latinos favor mass amnesty regardless of the consequences to our country. We can only appeal to their better judgment in accordance with my statements above.
However, also keep in mind that the last election came in the wake of our continuing involvement in two wars, an economic crisis of major proportions, and, if I do say so myself, an unpopular president. Any candidate would have easy pickings under those circumstances."

ultima said...

You'll note that I also violated the politician's principle of playing or pandering to the audience.

As someone pointed out,there would be little point in telling the Hispanics what they want to hear if it's not true. Being candid,even before this audience, is to be admired. We have too many who choose to be mendacious, pandering to each audience as the speech experts advise. We need less of that not more.

However, I don'think I would use the language Dee proposes because it's not that simple.

Dee said...

Ultima,
We agree on one major issue. Steele should be forthright with his views and not sidestep answers.

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