tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post2251437416713645664..comments2024-01-04T07:05:27.381-06:00Comments on Immigration Talk with a Mexican American: Kick in the Head Murder Suspect has Tantrum Demanding Private Schooling!Deehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-37773103808139682852008-10-22T22:09:00.000-05:002008-10-22T22:09:00.000-05:00He asked the school to live up to its agreement, p...He asked the school to live up to its agreement, period. The school was not living up to its agreement (Piekarsky's school agreed to provide him with 12.5 hours a week of home-based instruction and a computer with internet access.), so he asked that the school pay for his education at a private school (he's been getting only a few hours of tutoring a week and his computer was delivered weeks late and lacks internet access.), period.<BR/><BR/>You are making something that is very simple into an unsolvable math problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-65611403990601164262008-10-22T21:17:00.000-05:002008-10-22T21:17:00.000-05:00Sorry Liquid. You are wrong.Go back and read the a...Sorry Liquid. You are wrong.<BR/>Go back and read the article. He did not ask for internet access. He asked that the school district pay to send him to a private school.<BR/><BR/>Had he just asked for internet access, there would not have been an issue (and I would not have written this blog). He wanted special treatment. My guess he wanted to get this case behind him and get back to school with kids his own age. However, the judge rightly rule that the school should ensure he gets internet access and he stay at home for schooling as was decided.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-20585983205560635852008-10-22T11:14:00.000-05:002008-10-22T11:14:00.000-05:00That's all he is asking, for the school to live up...That's all he is asking, for the school to live up to its agreement, and if they do not want to then to have the school, since the school doesn't want to accept him, pay for his schooling at a private school. Its really not that hard to understand the logistics of what he is asking the school to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-9252645177188667862008-10-22T10:15:00.000-05:002008-10-22T10:15:00.000-05:00Liquid, He did have a myspace page as did most of ...Liquid, <BR/>He did have a myspace page as did most of the jocks charged.<BR/>You can refute he did not have a pc at home, but we did know he was computer savvy.<BR/>Additionally, the school sent him a computer. Acknowledging he is computer savvy, he told the courts he lacked internet access. <BR/>As I said, internet access is $10 a month. So now the schools can set him up with $10 a month. That simple. <BR/>NO NEED for some expensive Private School.<BR/>Case Closed.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-88624524036816608562008-10-20T20:15:00.000-05:002008-10-20T20:15:00.000-05:00Not everybody can afford the internet, Dee, even i...Not everybody can afford the internet, Dee, even if it is NetZero and only $10. My sister is one of them, Husband and 3 boys, they can't afford much more than food, My mother buys that half the time for them, they can't even keep cell phones on long enough to use. Not all people are as lucky as you or I to have the internet, and in a small po-dunk town in Penn. where the rate of unemployment is rising, I would think even fewer are lucky enough to have the internet. Some have other priorities and live on a fixed budget.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-65489396648545066422008-10-20T18:16:00.000-05:002008-10-20T18:16:00.000-05:00Liquid,Your argument would be legitimate except fo...Liquid,<BR/>Your argument would be legitimate except for one thing Liquid. The world is NOT Stupid. We ALL know Internet Access is EASY to attain!<BR/><BR/>Go back to the 80s. Your argument (and the hoodlum Piekarsky) MIGHT have worked then!<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Liquidmicro said... <BR/>Getting to the topic as you want Dee, Piekarsky didn't throw a "TANTRUM" as you suggest, he merely wanted the school to live up to its agreement, that so far they have failed to do. If you want to blame someone blame the school.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-63010206358733382842008-10-20T15:34:00.000-05:002008-10-20T15:34:00.000-05:00I missed this the other night."robles said... "...I missed this the other night.<BR/><BR/>"robles said...<BR/><BR/> "Shame on you Liquid for always taking the "white guys" side"<BR/><BR/> examine your reactions. How would you feel if it were 6 drunk (football team) latino teens kicking a white 25 year old father of two in the head while he lay unconscious."<BR/><BR/><BR/>My reactions would be pretty much the same as they have been. 6 to 1 odds is pretty poor judgment for the 'white' father. He should have walked away. His actions/reactions are what put him into his position. If one of the boys were not getting what they were entitled to, as the school is not living up to its agreement since it was the school who denied him to return class to begin with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-15614794106764359442008-10-19T22:12:00.000-05:002008-10-19T22:12:00.000-05:00"But he wanted something more. Private School."He ..."But he wanted something more. Private School."<BR/><BR/>He requested that if the school didn't want to live up to its agreement then they should send him to a private school since it was the school in the first place that denied him the return to school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-84505688599159671282008-10-19T21:30:00.000-05:002008-10-19T21:30:00.000-05:00Liquidmicro: he merely wanted the school to live u...<I>Liquidmicro: he merely wanted the school to live up to its agreement, that so far they have failed to do. If you want to blame someone blame the school.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>The school is to blame for not upholding their promise to him. But he wanted something more. Private School. Why should he get more? Because they didn't follow through with a tutor and internet access (which he already has), he believed/his mother believed he needs to be paid to go to a private school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-3661174290128542992008-10-19T20:30:00.000-05:002008-10-19T20:30:00.000-05:00In your SF argument, the Bologna's didn't have any...In your SF argument, the Bologna's didn't have any opportunity to leave as Ramirez had multiple chances along with friends tugging at him. Sorry, your comparison doesn't work.<BR/><BR/>Getting to the topic as you want Dee, Piekarsky didn't throw a "TANTRUM" as you suggest, he merely wanted the school to live up to its agreement, that so far they have failed to do. If you want to blame someone blame the school.<BR/><BR/>As for my writing skill, Dee, I write reports for courts, my writing skills are just fine. You just fail to read and understand what I am saying. Alie understood it, she even explained it, yet you still didn't quite get it?<BR/><BR/>As for demonizing Ramirez, I'm not stating anything that isn't a fact. It can all be found in articles and court testimony. "But he was so mad, he wasn’t really talking to us. And those kids kept yelling stuff, and he went back". He went back!!!! when he should have left, he no longer is a victim but a participant in the fight. As for getting his but kicked, like I said 6 to 1 odds is not favorable, had Ramirez been smart, a father, an adult, a better person, listened to his friends, he might just still be able to be a father, fiance, friend, and neighbor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-11704475198608747082008-10-19T17:30:00.000-05:002008-10-19T17:30:00.000-05:00Alie said: Or are you quicker to defend illegals, ...<I>Alie said: Or are you quicker to defend illegals, especially if they are of the Latino variety? We know that Dee is. How about you? You see that question runs both ways, doesn't it?<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>I feel I need to respond to this. I am not quicker to defend undocumented immigrants, latino or otherwise. If anyone has committed a crime, I hold them responsible for their actions and the repercussions. I will add that some popular media (think Lou Dobbs, O'Reilly, Beck, etc.) love to portray and highlight stories of undocumented immigrants committing crimes, even though the reality is that undocumented immigrants are much much less likely to commit crimes than US citizens and legal residents, because this supports the Antis agenda that undocumented immigrants are all criminals first by being here, but that they are also more likely to commit more crimes while they are here, and therefore should all be deported.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-79187796500847117502008-10-19T16:47:00.000-05:002008-10-19T16:47:00.000-05:00But the bottom line is, we should not be discussin...But the bottom line is, we should not be discussing the case.<BR/>This whole blog is about the accused requesting a Private School because the school did not proactively provide him Internet Access.<BR/><BR/>The point is, Internet Access is EASILY attainable. This issue could be solved by $10 a month on netzero.<BR/><BR/>The judge rightfully denied his private school request.<BR/><BR/>This was a costly, bogus request. He has myspace at home. Internet Access is cheap and easy. <BR/><BR/>REQUEST DENIED!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-56177328871301650382008-10-19T16:23:00.000-05:002008-10-19T16:23:00.000-05:00Liquid,What you call "dumbing things down" is you ...Liquid,<BR/>What you call "dumbing things down" is you finally speaking in concise sentences instead of raving, unintelligible rants. Your writing is ok until you get angry, then you tend to run on and on. A writing class might help.<BR/>Nevertheless, I do agree with 1, 2, half of 3, half of 4, 5, half of 6 and none of 7.<BR/><BR/>I became involved in this discussion because one of my viewers asked me to get involved and draw attention to this issue. At the time, the local authorities were not even investigating and said the perps were from "good" families. I promised my viewer I would stay involved until the perps were brought to justice. When they do, I will have fulfilled my commitment.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Liquidmicro said... <BR/>I guess I need to 'dumb things down' for you, Dee, since you are completely unable to comprehend anything I have said. <BR/><BR/>1) These boys will be held liable for their crimes.<BR/><BR/>2) My empathy is for his children.<BR/><BR/>3) I have empathy for his children now fatherless by a man who could not control himself. <BR/><BR/>4) Its sad that Ramirez died, but he is just as much to blame as anybody, his choices left his children fatherless.<BR/><BR/>5) As I have stated from the beginning, the boys will be found guilty of their crimes, and they will be punished for them.<BR/><BR/>6) I'm not defending the boys, but I'm also not buying that Ramirez is the victim. He was the adult, who should have been able to control himself, but couldn't.<BR/><BR/>7) Shame on you Dee for trying to exploit this mans death. Shame on you for being the judge, jury, and executioner. Thanks for turning this into a racial argument, it clearly shows your agenda.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-58187055113905359372008-10-19T16:21:00.000-05:002008-10-19T16:21:00.000-05:00Liquidmicro,Your reactions to this, to blame the v...Liquidmicro,<BR/>Your reactions to this, to blame the victim, or to say he should've been more responsible, would be the same thing as me saying the father of the Bologna family, who was gunned down while driving in SF with his two sons by the undocumented latino immigrant, should have driven more responsibly and should've given the undocumented latino gang member the right of way. Then I would say, I'm not excusing his behavior, nobody deserves to die this way, but I'm just pointing out that he played a role in his own death, and he should've just given him the right of way. He's as much to blame for his death as the latino gang member that gunned him down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-25877997342449524452008-10-19T16:09:00.000-05:002008-10-19T16:09:00.000-05:00"Shame on you Liquid for always taking the "white ..."Shame on you Liquid for always taking the "white guys" side"<BR/><BR/>examine your reactions. How would you feel if it were 6 drunk (football team) latino teens kicking a white 25 year old father of two in the head while he lay unconscious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-59488917301570547272008-10-19T14:19:00.000-05:002008-10-19T14:19:00.000-05:00He was an adult fighting with an under aged boy. N...<I>He was an adult fighting with an under aged boy. </I><BR/><BR/>Not that simple. It was six or more (football player) teenagers, but only three are charged. It was the teen who confessed that showed they got together the next day and tried to get everyone to agree that: he started the fight, he threw the first punch, they weren't drinking, and that nobody kicked him in the head when he was down. That implies that all those things did happen.<BR/><BR/>Could he have walked away, should he have walked away? Sure. Again, that is neither here nor there. At some point, he's unconscious on the ground, and he gets kicked in the head, and the next day everyone wants to deny it happened. Unfortunately for them, there were witnesses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-71001627875452281582008-10-19T14:09:00.000-05:002008-10-19T14:09:00.000-05:00If he were alive, he may very well have been charg...<I>If he were alive, he may very well have been charged with a crime for this fight. He was an adult fighting with an under aged boy. In some states that makes the adult culpable and automatically at fault.</I><BR/><BR/>It is neither here nor there. If things happened differently, he very well could've been charged with a crime. Depends on the actions and what unfolded that night. But, as it stands now, the case is about ethnic intimidation and murder, and he is the clear victim. Stop the victim blaming, which you are clearly doing right now. It is neither here nor there.<BR/>Alie brought up that we all have responsibilities for our actions. No debate there, but to bring up his shortcomings is blaming the victim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-83982839203822026662008-10-19T13:33:00.000-05:002008-10-19T13:33:00.000-05:00"Ramirez is dead. Even if he were alive, he is not..."Ramirez is dead. Even if he were alive, he is not the one charged with a crime in this trial."<BR/><BR/>If he were alive, he may very well have been charged with a crime for this fight. He was an adult fighting with an under aged boy. In some states that makes the adult culpable and automatically at fault.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-61613770825385811582008-10-19T13:26:00.000-05:002008-10-19T13:26:00.000-05:00"That is just so silly, so untrue, and so unfair."..."That is just so silly, so untrue, and so unfair."<BR/><BR/>Kind of like this right?<BR/><BR/>Dee says:<BR/>"Shame on you Liquid for always taking the "white guys" side"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-32548427029046331262008-10-19T13:22:00.000-05:002008-10-19T13:22:00.000-05:00"that sounds an awful lot like liquidmicro is sayi..."that sounds an awful lot like liquidmicro is saying he brought it on himself"<BR/><BR/>I am not saying he brought it on himself, what I am saying is he had ample opportunity to walk away. He chose to take part in the fight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-48751257086862264892008-10-19T13:20:00.000-05:002008-10-19T13:20:00.000-05:00"As they walked to Donchak's house, he testified, ..."As they walked to Donchak's house, he testified, they came across Ramirez and Dillman's half-sister, Roxanne, 15, at the park. According to Lawson, another teen, Brian Scully, who has not been charged, said to the girl, ''Isn't it a little late for you to be out?''<BR/><BR/>The girl didn't answer, but Ramirez replied in Spanish, and Scully replied, ''This is Shenandoah, this is America, go back to Mexico,'' and used racial slurs. The two began fighting, Lawson said."<BR/><BR/>These paragraphs are from the link I posted above. I still do not believe Ramirez to be the victim. Ramirez should have kept walking. Ramirez is just as much to blame for the fighting. Keep in mind also that this is from actual court testimony.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Here's more:<BR/>"Ramirez had several chances to leave the park -- witnesses testified Dillman's half-sister loudly told him to do so -- and that he was an aggressor in the fight.<BR/><BR/><BR/>''You may not have understood the words [he used], but you understood the tone,'' Fanelli said to Lawson on cross-examination. ''That tone was aggressive. And as this man, in his aggressive posture, approached Mr. Scully, you knew there was going to be trouble.''<BR/>.....<BR/>Testimony also showed that as many as four other Hispanics came to the scene during the brawl, and that it was Donchak who called police, saying someone had a gun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-15840944730693827572008-10-19T12:58:00.000-05:002008-10-19T12:58:00.000-05:00Shame on you Dee for trying to exploit this mans d...Shame on you Dee for trying to exploit this mans death. Shame on you for being the judge, jury, and executioner. Thanks for turning this into a racial argument, it clearly shows your agenda.<BR/><BR/>That is just so silly, so untrue, and so unfair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-53333043554627758832008-10-19T12:56:00.000-05:002008-10-19T12:56:00.000-05:00I'm not defending the boys, but I'm also not buyin...<I>I'm not defending the boys, but I'm also not buying that Ramirez is the victim. He was the adult, who should have been able to control himself, but couldn't</I><BR/><BR/>The boys are charged with murder. Ramirez is dead. Even if he were alive, he is not the one charged with a crime in this trial. HE IS THE VICTIM. By talking about Ramirez and how he should've been more responsible, that he's not the victim here, you ARE defending the boys.<BR/><BR/>alie said: Not that this man "deserved" in any way to have this happen. And not even so much a feeling of "he brought it on himself." But that certain actions we take, certain behaviors we might engage in can lead to disastrous consequences."<BR/><BR/>liquuidmicro said: Its sad that Ramirez died, but He IS JUST AS MUCH TO BLAME AS ANYBODY, his choices left his children fatherless. How can someone have empathy for stupidity? Especially a drunk and drugged up adult?<BR/><BR/>Sorry, but that sounds an awful lot like liquidmicro is saying he brought it on himself, which is blaming the victim. To say on one hand that he didn't deserve to die, then to say he is just as much to blame for his death, is to blame the victim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-49582547629562532232008-10-19T12:36:00.000-05:002008-10-19T12:36:00.000-05:001st-, 2nd-degree murder charges tossed in death of...<A HREF="http://mobile.mcall.com/detail.jsp?key=166779&full=1" REL="nofollow">1st-, 2nd-degree murder charges tossed in death of Ramirez</A><BR/><BR/>Dee even points to this article here:<BR/><A HREF="http://immigrationmexicanamerican.blogspot.com/2008/08/ramirez-hate-crime-court-testimony.html" REL="nofollow">Ramirez HATE Crime: Court Testimony Illustrated for the "Kick in the Head" Case!</A><BR/><BR/>So as you can see, I'm only pointing out your own links with my information.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-56199691685744813872008-10-19T12:30:00.000-05:002008-10-19T12:30:00.000-05:00"The victim here should not be demonized as Liquid..."The victim here should not be demonized as Liquid is doing."<BR/><BR/>Demonizing, how? by giving out all the information? The toxicology report came back and showed Ramirez to have a BAC of .15%, twice the legal limit and Xanax.<BR/><BR/>The Morning Call gave a two-page article detailing the deceased man’s toxicology results. I'm only pointing out the facts that you don't want known so that you can continue to exploit this mans death and to scream racism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com