tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post3046058588589189417..comments2024-01-04T07:05:27.381-06:00Comments on Immigration Talk with a Mexican American: The Road to Dystopia! Another Reason to SAY NO to the SAVE ACT!Deehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-48404454846161779022008-04-24T16:38:00.000-05:002008-04-24T16:38:00.000-05:00Now from my perspective, Race Related slots in uni...Now from my perspective, Race Related slots in universities is a different subject. I only have opinions on this and no statistical data.<BR/><BR/>Given the fact most students who are interested can attend a University and are eligible, based on grade point to attend the University of their choice, I don´t know that this is a huge issue. Anyone interested in applying for a grant can reach out to many groups or websites and apply for many grants or scholarships. So many are availble for interested students with high to semi high grade point averages. <BR/><BR/>I am a bit skeptical to any claims of reverse discrimination. I would have to study the issue and receive the names and circumstances of any claimants so I can study the issues myself.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-55226123530386550932008-04-24T16:12:00.000-05:002008-04-24T16:12:00.000-05:00Brent,Sorry for being late to respond. I missed yo...Brent,<BR/>Sorry for being late to respond. I missed your comment earlier.<BR/><BR/>I will answer your question: "should non-white immigrants, who came to reside in the US strictly by personal choice, be entitled to preferential treatment (minority set-asides in government contracts, race-related slots in university admissions, etc) over similarly qualified white native-born US citizens?"<BR/><BR/>I take your usage of "preferential treatment" to mean Affirmative Action. <BR/><BR/>In concept, as defined, I think it is a good idea. The concept is different than your suggestion which excludes Non Black, Non Native American. (from your 2nd comment) Notice the concept includes past AND CURRENT.<BR/>AA Concept: "The term affirmative action describes policies aimed at a historically socio-politically non-dominant group (typically, minority men or women of all races) intended to promote access to education or employment. Motivation for affirmative action is a desire to redress the effects of PAST AND CURRENT discrimination that is regarded as unfair." <BR/><BR/>When I think of the concept, being in Business for over 30 years, I understand the need for these types of programs. Back in the 70s, the good ole boy (GOB) network was running rampant through Corporate America. The proverbial GOB and all of his college buddies were securely embedded in the upper echelons of most Corporations. <BR/><BR/>The Civil Rights and Womens Rights Movements were needed to first, address the fact this was happening, then 2nd, to put in place measures to improve the fairness in staffing processes.<BR/><BR/>I have participated in management study groups of corporations and their hierarchy. If you study the demographics of an employment location vs the employees themselves, the ethnicity mix should match. There should also be a corrolation in the rate of management vs ethnicity of employees. <BR/><BR/>Back in the 70s and 80s most companies hired and fired based purely on management decision. In other words, supervisors promoted their friends. Now, many leading corporations utilize a bidding process with set standards for promotability. In order words, anyone can bid for a supervisory or management job as long as they meet the criteria. The criteria is determined via annual appraisals. Appraisals are determined based on measured work performance. As more and more corporations utilized these processes, they found their company performance improved as well as the management skill sets of their managers. When you utilize these performance measures, staffing becomes color blind. Affirmative Action is rarely used and only used when all other measures are equal and used as a tie breaker. That is, all things being equal, the ethnicity mix would be a one stroke factor. <BR/><BR/>What was interesting through studying the results of these corporations is, once they progressed to a performance driven staffing model, their ethnicity mix improved and did, in fact, begin to match the demographics of the local areas.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-90506335316517973982008-04-24T09:47:00.000-05:002008-04-24T09:47:00.000-05:00No anon1, for the most part the pro's do not tell ...No anon1, for the most part the pro's do not tell the truth about the anti's, they just pull the race card with nothing to back up their claims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-64893783708107280532008-04-24T09:32:00.000-05:002008-04-24T09:32:00.000-05:00anon 1, Try to contribute something substantive to...anon 1, <BR/><BR/>Try to contribute something substantive to the debate, please. The pointless name-calling is not conducive to intelligent discussion. <BR/><BR/>Thanks.Brent Lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02603524747101364060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-69410841751279726782008-04-24T09:31:00.000-05:002008-04-24T09:31:00.000-05:00I find it humorous when the PRO's keep telling the...I find it humorous when the PRO's keep telling the truth about the ANTI's and the ANTI's get upset and whine, for example, "Stop with your lies about me, dee! I am not anti-Latino. I am anti-illegal immigration. STOP WITH THE LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" The truth is the truth, and if your hatred wouldn't blind you so much you'd realize how idiotic you ANTI's soundAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-11132327665418651762008-04-24T09:14:00.000-05:002008-04-24T09:14:00.000-05:00Jim said, "Immigrants should not be entitled to pr...Jim said, <BR/><BR/><I>"Immigrants should not be entitled to programs intended to right the historical wrongs perpetrated on black Americans or native American Indians." </I><BR/><BR/>This is one of the few areas (based on my reading of your other posts) where we agree 100%. I believe that the native Americans whose ancestors' presence in what is now the US are entitled to preferential treatment, as well as those descendents of slaves brought against their will from the African continent. Both groups were subject to government-approved (or even government-sponsored) oppression and deserve affirmative action programs as a form of reparations. Anyone else who has voluntarily taken up residency in the US from a foreign nation - or their offspring - do not deserve such preferential treatment, regardless of their ethnicity. Unfortunately, Federal policy says otherwise.<BR/><BR/><I>"It's pretty easy to make such exclusions in practice, too."</I><BR/><BR/>Pretty easy from a practical, technical standpoint (althought fraud would undoubtedly be a problem). But it would be politically impossible. <BR/><BR/>I notice that Dee hasn't weighed in on this issue.Brent Lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02603524747101364060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-26405444950611264252008-04-23T20:14:00.000-05:002008-04-23T20:14:00.000-05:00No, the pro's want to Hispanicize this country. ...No, the pro's want to Hispanicize this country. They only hide behind the skirts of wanting a multi-cultural society. It is all smoke and mirrors on their part. We know their true agenda. They want to be the new majority in this country and are hoping to acheive it thru illegal immigration. Well sorry, dee but we white anglos have just as much right to retain our majority in this country as do Hispanics in the 22 countries that they are already the majority in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-70699394600987243712008-04-23T19:34:00.000-05:002008-04-23T19:34:00.000-05:00Pro said:"You should contact DMV and found out. Si...Pro said:<BR/>"You should contact DMV and found out. Simple and correctness.<BR/>That's not the applicant fault. It is the flaws on the system of the DMV as well as other goverment agencies."<BR/><BR/>You are aware that each state has its individual Drivers License' and it is not a Federal Issued document.<BR/><BR/>Now the link you provided shows a security flaw in Nevada's kiosks which allow a user to use a credit card to pay for reg. and similar activities. From the article:"But the 29-page legislative audit may give Doyle pause. It states the Department of Motor Vehicles uses encryption standards for your credit card data that are not up to industry standards." Its a security issue with using credit cards, bad encryption. It has nothing at all to do with applying for and/or receiving a drivers license. It does not cover your argument earlier, it is a security issue with their encryption. "What the audit says is that we have the proper controls in place, and we did at the time, they just needed to be tightened some." "And it pointed out vulnerabilities. There hasn't actually been any data breaches or real problems that this has turned into for anyone. "<BR/><BR/>This is an isolated incident to the state of Nevada, not throughout the rest of the states.<BR/><BR/>Nice try though.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Constructive solutions, such as....<BR/><BR/>All systems in the beginning have flaws, the computer you are on has many flaws in its programming, yet you are here on line, right. Your argument is what exactly? That systems make mistakes? Everybody knows that, thats when you the person who has the mistake gets to go down and rectify the problem. So now, what exactly is the problem?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-86043216077326759342008-04-23T13:03:00.000-05:002008-04-23T13:03:00.000-05:00Brent,Good question, and in my opinion, the answer...Brent,<BR/><BR/>Good question, and in my opinion, the answer is emphatically, "No." Immigrants should not be entitled to programs intended to right the historical wrongs perpetrated on black Americans or native American Indians. <BR/><BR/>It's pretty easy to make such exclusions in practice, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-29882944803090880492008-04-23T12:41:00.000-05:002008-04-23T12:41:00.000-05:00Dee said, "What the rest of us are advocating is a...Dee said, <BR/><I>"What the rest of us are advocating is a welcoming, multi cultural society where All Americans, of any color, of any ethnicity are welcome and are equal! "</I><BR/><BR/>This brings up an interesting point: should non-white immigrants, who came to reside in the US strictly by personal choice, be entitled to preferential treatment (minority set-asides in government contracts, race-related slots in university admissions, etc) over similarly qualified white native-born US citizens?<BR/><BR/>If so, what is your justification?Brent Lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02603524747101364060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-45700525558055322552008-04-23T11:38:00.000-05:002008-04-23T11:38:00.000-05:00Liquid said: The DMV used your mother last name on...Liquid said: The DMV used your mother last name on purpose of identification rather your Father last name.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Actually the applicant fills out the forms, it is the applicant that writes his/her name. It is not the DMV that fills out the forms. Ignorance on behalf of the applicant is not DMV's fault.<BR/><BR/>You are right: That's part of ignorance by your part and some of those called Patriots. <BR/><BR/>You should contact DMV and found out. Simple and correctness.<BR/>That's not the applicant fault. It is the flaws on the system of the DMV as well as other goverment agencies.<BR/>http://www.klas-tv.com/global/story.asp?s=6090641&ClientType=Printable<BR/><BR/>http://governing.com/archive/2003/jul/dmv.txt<BR/>Do you remember the watchlist terrorist: The system mistakenly flags over 3000 people that they do not have anything or any ties to being a terrorist or linked to any groups at all. Just because their names were mistakenly matched with those appearing on federal watch lists.<BR/><BR/>And i can go on and on but it's your responsability as a Citizen to know that our system does not work. I am hoping that this information will help you not being a narrow minded and being open to a constructive solutions.Pro Immigranthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07336684187225085098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-85227104979972528382008-04-23T10:31:00.000-05:002008-04-23T10:31:00.000-05:00The PROs advocate a welcoming, multi cultural soci...The PROs advocate a welcoming, multi cultural society where All Americans, of any color, of any ethnicity are welcome and are equal!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-38085065250440246202008-04-22T22:10:00.000-05:002008-04-22T22:10:00.000-05:00Stop with your lies about me, dee! I am not anti-...Stop with your lies about me, dee! I am not anti-latino. I am anti-illegal immigration. STOP WITH THE LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>I have never advocated an all white country, only that our culture remains the traditional one since it's founding. Just like Mexico wants to remain Hispanic culturally. Why can't you grasp that? <BR/><BR/>We have plenty of diversity. So what is your gripe? Since when isn't every citizen of this country regardless of ethnicity not treated equally by our government?<BR/><BR/>You are being particularly insulting and nasty tonight. Hitting the bottle again?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-71029289459489310652008-04-22T19:47:00.000-05:002008-04-22T19:47:00.000-05:00Liquid, You and your ANTI side are so blinded by y...Liquid, You and your ANTI side are so blinded by your own hatred that you do not see reality.<BR/>I will give you one thing. You are not as blatant as Pat or the new Anon. It is clear they are anti Latino, in every breath they speak about a return to Anglo Northern European White America.<BR/>What the rest of us are advocating is a welcoming, multi cultural society where All Americans, of any color, of any ethnicity are welcome and are equal! We are not the haters. Your side is!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-79912757077128271482008-04-22T17:48:00.000-05:002008-04-22T17:48:00.000-05:00More of your idiotic exaggerations, dee. I want ...More of your idiotic exaggerations, dee. I want law enforcement to go after those who fit the description of a law breaker. We are a nation of laws. Why would any "brown" person have anything to fear if they are questioned and they are guilty of nothing and can provide proper I.D., why the weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth? You can scream "racial profiling" all you want but if one has nothing to hide what is the big deal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-44480392497617215732008-04-22T17:22:00.000-05:002008-04-22T17:22:00.000-05:00But Hran, they (Anon1 and ProInmigrant and Jim) ca...But Hran, they (Anon1 and ProInmigrant and Jim) can only go back as far as WHITE America. They are so racially biased they see in WHITE only as all the problems relate to WHITE INVADERS having caused the problems of today. Until they can see the full spectrum they will always be biased with hatred towards WHITE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-71375842467005439652008-04-22T17:19:00.000-05:002008-04-22T17:19:00.000-05:00Dee said.1. Secure Borders2. Employer Sanctions fo...Dee said.<BR/><BR/>1. Secure Borders<BR/>2. Employer Sanctions for exploitive employers<BR/>3. bringing the 12M out of the shadows and into some type of legal status.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>I see you finally put them in a correct order. Yet you still argue against Securing our borders, and you still argue against anything that will make the employer responsible. Words must just be words to you, the only action you want is the action of bringing the 12M+ out of the shadows.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-64071586660687117382008-04-22T17:15:00.000-05:002008-04-22T17:15:00.000-05:00The only one DISGUSTING here is you ANON1, you con...The only one DISGUSTING here is you ANON1, you contribute nothing at all.You need to wipe that brown stuff off the tip of your nose, you are starting to smell funny. <BR/><BR/>You need to look further back than just the White man "TOTALLY WIPING" out the Native North American Indians. They are still here. You better look to the Brown Invaders that occupied the West Coast and Central America. They did just as much, if not more. But that wouldn't go with your racism, now would it?<BR/><BR/>More Racial Profiling, oh my. Its either that or the Race Card on your behalf I guess, pathetic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-9483062501977525332008-04-22T17:06:00.000-05:002008-04-22T17:06:00.000-05:00The DMV used your mother last name on purpose of i...The DMV used your mother last name on purpose of identification rather your Father last name.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Actually the applicant fills out the forms, it is the applicant that writes his/her name. It is not the DMV that fills out the forms. Ignorance on behalf of the applicant is not DMV's fault. Most "Immigrants" who apply for a Drivers License use the two different last names to obtain two different license, they use one for tickets that they never pay, the other for ID purposes. Its called cheating the system.<BR/><BR/>As for SS, they use what ever last name you wrote down, so if you write both parents hyphenated last name, they actually put both on there in the order you write it down. I just went through all of this with my wife, who is an Immigrant from Portugal. I have been there during the entire process, forms being filled out, etc. <BR/><BR/><BR/>"There is a non structural path and aligment on different goverment agencies."<BR/><BR/>Blame the government for the ignorance of the applicant? You have got to be kidding me. <BR/><BR/>As for AZ and OK, I have family in OK, they are doing just fine, they are happy with the laws. I have friends I went to school with living in AZ, they are extremely happy with the laws and Arpaio. As for showing ID, I already explained, everybody shows ID all the time, go back and re-read my posts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-10178345390298554342008-04-22T15:07:00.000-05:002008-04-22T15:07:00.000-05:00anon 1:History lesson: 1. If you are a descendant ...anon 1:<BR/><BR/>History lesson: <BR/><BR/>1. If you are a descendant of the SPANISH then your ancestors were way worse to the Native Americans. <BR/><BR/>2. As for ethnic war, ethnic cleansing, human sacrifice, brutality, oppression of other ethnic groups: the Aztecs and Mayans were far worse than the whites in North America. The Aztecs had an empire. They enslaved the tribes around them. That's why it was easy for the Spanish to make alliances with the oppressed tribes against the Aztecs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-41082820418985519892008-04-22T15:01:00.000-05:002008-04-22T15:01:00.000-05:00Hran,I am for comprehensive immigration reform and...Hran,<BR/>I am for comprehensive immigration reform and I have repeated my view many times. <BR/>1. Secure Borders<BR/>2. Employer Sanctions for exploitive employers<BR/>3. bringing the 12M out of the shadows and into some type of legal status.<BR/><BR/>Improving the backlogged immigration policies.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-57770771690311872522008-04-22T14:58:00.000-05:002008-04-22T14:58:00.000-05:00Pat,As I have reported Blackwater is after the sec...Pat,<BR/>As I have reported Blackwater is after the security contract if SAVE passes. <BR/>Their <A HREF="http://immigrationmexicanamerican.blogspot.com/2007/11/more-than-coincidence-blackwaters.html" REL="nofollow">unmanned aircraft</A> has already been tested. We will live in a military state if this heinous bill passes.<BR/>Additionallly, each town that has passed a restrictionist law has experienced Racial Profiling and severe impacts to the local economy. The Additional Sweeps in the bill will surely instill fear in all Brown people being racially profiled. eVerify is not the issue. it is the other negative aspects of the bill that will create a military state!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-29986094453386473922008-04-22T14:44:00.000-05:002008-04-22T14:44:00.000-05:00anon1, no one is forgetting about the past but it ...anon1, no one is forgetting about the past but it has no relevance to today. All those people are dead and gone now. <BR/><BR/>Are you also forgetting that the White Spaniards did the same thing as the Ango-Whites to the natives? You know those ancestors of today's Hispanics? They have no room to talk.<BR/><BR/>If you don't like law enforcement doing what they are supposed to be doing by questioning certain people, why don't you bitch to the government rather than to us?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-70774762256901437922008-04-22T14:39:00.000-05:002008-04-22T14:39:00.000-05:00pro, no we are no longer a nation of immigrant but...pro, no we are no longer a nation of immigrant but a nation of Americans who have been here for generations now. When I was born, native indian culture was not traditional America anymore and I had nothing to assimilate to as my parents were also traditional Americans.<BR/><BR/>Who is this "we" you speak about? Those people are long dead and gone and a new country was formed called the USA. None of us alive today are responsbile for the past.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-989731248109849582008-04-22T14:14:00.000-05:002008-04-22T14:14:00.000-05:00I will gladly say that last poster is total BSI will gladly say that last poster is total BSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com