tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post3795208684727444205..comments2024-01-04T07:05:27.381-06:00Comments on Immigration Talk with a Mexican American: Peaceful Marchers Demonstrate at "Kick In the Head" Hate Crime Hearing Causing Some Delays! BREAKING NEWS: JUDGE ORDERS MURDER TRIAL!!Deehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comBlogger142125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-91125002120384288442008-08-24T08:05:00.000-05:002008-08-24T08:05:00.000-05:00Right, dee. But you were the one who mentioned th...Right, dee. But you were the one who mentioned that we need CIR under this topic. CIR isn't going to change anything if someone is racist against another group. I am not saying that this was the case here, however. Let justice run its course.<BR/><BR/>Let me give you an example of what I mean. Most Black people in this country are citizens but there are still non-blacks who hate black people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-77365337468650452832008-08-23T22:25:00.000-05:002008-08-23T22:25:00.000-05:00Pat,You are right. This case has nothing to do wit...Pat,<BR/>You are right. This case has nothing to do with illegal immigration. Nothing at all.<BR/><BR/>The racial slurs were hurled at him due to his skin color. No one asked for his legal papers.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-12512084548619408442008-08-23T20:19:00.000-05:002008-08-23T20:19:00.000-05:00I found a picture on line of these same womrn in t...I found a picture on line of these same womrn in their little pink hats with their fists thrust up, Nazi style. Not subdied amd peaceful like the one you posted, dee.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-24399452878956656052008-08-23T07:56:00.000-05:002008-08-23T07:56:00.000-05:00Why no outrage over the acts of racial violence on...Why no outrage over the acts of racial violence on the part of the "brown" people that I posted, dee? Of course, no one was killed in those particular incidents but not even a peep out of you about them.<BR/><BR/>What would passing CIR have to do with this case? If it was indeed a hate crime, it wouldn't have changed anything. If someone hates another for the color of their skin, race or nationality they will still do so regardless of their status in this country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-65899952506182657402008-08-22T21:55:00.000-05:002008-08-22T21:55:00.000-05:00"OOV has every right to moderate his blog just lik..."OOV has every right to moderate his blog just like any other blog owner."<BR/><BR/>He does, but to delete a post just because it points out an intellectually dishonest judgmental accusation based on nothing more than opinion is mere cowardly and prejudice on his part.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"I think you are wrong Liquid. I have illustrated such in my most recent blog. OOV and most others agree with me."<BR/><BR/>Just like I think you are wrong in calling it MURDER when the charge is CRIMINAL HOMICIDE!! You are neither the judge nor the executioner, yet you and OOV have deemed these boys guilty without knowing all the facts. You have picked and chosen to paint the picture you wish to be seen. All you have to do is to call it what it is, CRIMINAL HOMICIDE, let the courts decide the guilt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-83552360181622474562008-08-22T21:36:00.000-05:002008-08-22T21:36:00.000-05:00OOV has every right to moderate his blog just like...OOV has every right to moderate his blog just like any other blog owner.<BR/><BR/>I choose to let the other side post openly and only delete if they use profane language or purposely try to hijack the blog. So far, I have only had to delete a very few.<BR/><BR/>I think you are wrong Liquid. I have illustrated such in my most recent blog. OOV and most others agree with me.<BR/><BR/>All I ask is that Justice be served. I want all of us to get along and the Racial Profiling and Racial animosity to stop once and for all.<BR/><BR/>I also believe we need Comprehensive Immigration Reform. I know OOV disagrees with my perspective on this, but I do respect that fact that he also abhors racial violence.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-56233691651548479282008-08-22T18:31:00.000-05:002008-08-22T18:31:00.000-05:00I just posted this at OOV:You delete my posts beca...I just posted this at OOV:<BR/>You delete my posts because I called you on your statements? Pathetic. I gave you factual statements from court testimony, that proved your statements as judgmental on your behalf and proved you wrong. Dee is more of a man than you are, she at least attempts to justify her ignorance, you just silence anybody that points your out. Come on be a man, put my comments back and try to justify your judgment of these boys without knowing the facts of the case.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Now my posts are awaiting moderation on his site. We will see if it stands. You should be happy Dee, he is stifling debate and shutting down democracy at the same time and only allowing his and yours judgmental statements to stand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-7607642080214050472008-08-22T18:02:00.000-05:002008-08-22T18:02:00.000-05:00I posted my last comment over at One Old Vet, alon...I posted my last comment over at One Old Vet, along with calling him on his charge and judgment call of MURDER, same as I have done with you, Dee, except he deleted my posts for calling him on it. So, I asked him as you did, if he was man enough to let my posts stand along with the same question I posed to you for which you never answered, so he deleted all my posts. I find it hilarious, and I call him out. So come on OOV, is Dee more of a man than you are for allowing my arguments to stand while you delete them on your site? Be a man and put them back, then prove them wrong, provided you can, and we both know that you can't!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-8359814990637205472008-08-22T15:30:00.000-05:002008-08-22T15:30:00.000-05:00Dee, I don't know what MM woman you are talking ab...Dee, I don't know what MM woman you are talking about that supposedly initiated any attacks. The woman who was attacked (unprovoked) in Maywood her name was Kele and was also called a devil white b@tch! Sounds like a racial slur to me!<BR/><BR/>What, no comments about the other incidents that I posted about? The moral of the story is that violence is not acceptable just because you don't like someone's skin color/race or their politics and all races have been guilty of it.<BR/><BR/>How did you like those reconquista signs in the pictures, lol.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-3467264431988782612008-08-22T14:26:00.000-05:002008-08-22T14:26:00.000-05:00Dee, here is a link to the Maywood story. http://...Dee, here is a link to the Maywood story. <BR/><BR/>http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/001807.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-19818206140197907892008-08-22T14:21:00.000-05:002008-08-22T14:21:00.000-05:00Benzo is also used for "coming down" off drugs suc...Benzo is also used for "coming down" off drugs such as 'speed', 'crank', 'cocain', etc. I guess we will wait to see won't we.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-18574011852711488412008-08-22T12:38:00.000-05:002008-08-22T12:38:00.000-05:00Liquid,"Fun" to watch? "Fun"?? What a very very od...Liquid,<BR/>"Fun" to watch? "Fun"?? What a very very odd statement to make Liquid.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-31756558336171001462008-08-22T12:35:00.000-05:002008-08-22T12:35:00.000-05:00You know liquid, I looked up that drug benzodiazep...You know liquid, I looked up that drug benzodiazepine in wiki. You know what it is used for? Dental Work. You are really a trip lately. I guess you are having "fun" with this murder case!<BR/><BR/>"can also be used before certain medical procedures such as endoscopies or dental work where tension and anxiety are present"Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-45583441450250427162008-08-22T12:29:00.000-05:002008-08-22T12:29:00.000-05:00BTW Liquid, I wonder what the alcohol level of dri...BTW Liquid, I wonder what the alcohol level of drinking two 40´s of beer for the 16 and 17 year old murderers would be, as the brave witness Ben Lawson explained.<BR/><BR/>The facts are, Justice should be served upon those that committed this heinous crime, especially the sucker punch, the kick in the head after the victim was on the ground.<BR/>I feel saddest for the two children of the victim. They will grow up with no father thanks to the sucker puncher and the head kicker.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-68128656676287742612008-08-22T11:36:00.000-05:002008-08-22T11:36:00.000-05:00Pat, I need your reference urls. I recall the Mayw...Pat, I need your reference urls. <BR/>I recall the Maywood blonde MM who initiated many angry attacks. I think I posted a pix a while back. Please provided a url that says otherwise.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-27149947884577689292008-08-21T21:56:00.000-05:002008-08-21T21:56:00.000-05:00Here's a very informative article, more actual fac...Here's a very informative article, more actual facts about the case:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-a1_1racial.6551902aug19,0,7741254.story" REL="nofollow">1st-, 2nd-degree murder charges tossed in death of Ramirez</A><BR/><BR/>Here are the highlights.....<BR/><BR/>"On a dark Shenandoah street on July 12, a group of teens spent the night drinking, then got into a fight with a man in which one sucker-punched the man -- knocking him down so hard his head bounced off the macadam -- and another kicked him in the head as he lay prone.<BR/><BR/>But the fight with Luis Ramirez, 25, doesn't qualify as an intentional killing, District Judge Anthony Kilker ruled Monday."<BR/>.....<BR/>"They also repeatedly pointed out that Ramirez had several chances to leave the park -- witnesses testified Dillman's half-sister loudly told him to do so -- and that he was an aggressor in the fight."<BR/>.....<BR/>"Testimony also showed that as many as four other Hispanics came to the scene during the brawl, and that it was Donchak who called police, saying someone had a gun. While Lawson said he didn't see a gun, Fanelli said Walsh, Piekarsky and another teen did.<BR/><BR/>Fanelli also noted from Ramirez's autopsy report said he had a blood-alcohol content of 0.15 percent -- about twice the level state law says is too drunk to drive -- and the drug benzodiazapine in his system."<BR/><BR/>Now <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine" REL="nofollow">benzodiazapine</A> is a class of psychoactive drugs with varying hypnotic, sedative, anxiolytic, anticonvulsant, muscle relaxant and amnesic properties, which are mediated by slowing down the central nervous system. Recreational stimulant users often use benzodiazepines as a means of "coming down". Benzodiazepines are also used to treat the panic that can be caused by hallucinogen intoxication.<BR/><BR/>The long-term use of benzodiazapines can cause physical dependence. The use of benzodiazepines should therefore commence only after medical consultation and benzodiazepines should be prescribed the smallest dosage possible to provide an acceptable level of symptom relief. Dependence varies with the benzodiazepine used and with the user.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I think its going to become much more fun watching this case as it unfurls and more 'facts' come out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-40466475390858029012008-08-21T21:14:00.000-05:002008-08-21T21:14:00.000-05:00Dee says:"I know you will come back and say he sho...Dee says:<BR/>"I know you will come back and say he shouldnt have been here in the first place. However, given our nations history and given we are where we are, the facts are we do have 12M illegal immigrants in this country today and YES we do need Immigration Reform."<BR/><BR/>Again, I've not made any reference to his status nor his color, it has been you, just like you're doing it now, pathetic on your behalf. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Dee says:<BR/>"Plus these young people had no idea whether the victim was "illegal" or not. All they saw was Brown. We have to stop the hate and violence of Brown people. They should learn it is never ok to hurl racial slurs and kick a downed young man in the head as they did. Violence is NEVER OK.<BR/>Neither is underaged drinking.<BR/>Neither is conspiracy to cover up crimes."<BR/><BR/><BR/>You have no idea if these boys new Ramirez or not or his status, yet you continue to make your assumptions. The only thing you have correct is, Violence is NEVER OK. Neither is underaged drinking.<BR/>Neither is conspiracy to cover up crimes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-11210489740840585102008-08-21T18:56:00.000-05:002008-08-21T18:56:00.000-05:00I wish you would get off your "brown" victim train...I wish you would get off your "brown" victim train. There are just as many whites, blacks and other etnicities in this country that are the victims of hate crimes.<BR/><BR/>A white woman was attacked and thrown to the ground a couple of years ago by Latinos in Maywood, Ca during a peaceful protest. Another elderly white woman was hit over the head with a full bottle of water in Baldwin Park by Latinos. An elderly white man got his face all scratched up by a Latina whereby she even lost a nail doing that. It isn't just about politics either, many of those people just hate white people.<BR/><BR/>Right, violence isn't the answer just because you don't like the color of one's skin or one's politics either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-65610708709147655722008-08-21T15:21:00.000-05:002008-08-21T15:21:00.000-05:00Well Liquid, I am glad you finally got off of your...Well Liquid, I am glad you finally got off of your "satisfaction" kick.<BR/><BR/>All I care about is Justice being served! <BR/><BR/>That way lessons can be learned and the community will heal. Everyone should understand that Violence is NEVER the answer. <BR/>Racial Profiling and Racial Attacks are NEVER tolerated in America. <BR/><BR/>We should all learn to get along and live together in Peace! <BR/><BR/>I know you will come back and say he shouldnt have been here in the first place. However, given our nations history and given we are where we are, the facts are we do have 12M illegal immigrants in this country today and YES we do need Immigration Reform. <BR/><BR/>Plus these young people had no idea whether the victim was "illegal" or not. All they saw was Brown. We have to stop the hate and violence of Brown people. They should learn it is never ok to hurl racial slurs and kick a downed young man in the head as they did. Violence is NEVER OK.<BR/>Neither is underaged drinking.<BR/>Neither is conspiracy to cover up crimes.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-90195690424768694462008-08-21T15:13:00.000-05:002008-08-21T15:13:00.000-05:00I have not alluding to anything, your satisfaction...I have not alluding to anything, your satisfaction has nothing to do with anything, all I did was question you, since you are alluding to murder, would you be alright if the jurors came back with a lesser degree than murder, Involuntary manslaughter? Its a simple question since both fall under the charge of criminal homicide. Again, you are the one making the statement of MURDER and that they're guilty of it.<BR/><BR/>As for OJ's case, Nicole's immediate family (mom and step-dad) filed the wrongful death case, and it had to meet certain criteria in order to continue to court. Each state is different in regards to its wrongful death statutes, PA is not CA. She should check into it, but don't be surprised if she is denied.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-362740348586944622008-08-21T14:26:00.000-05:002008-08-21T14:26:00.000-05:00Liquid,The murderers will have their day in court....Liquid,<BR/>The murderers will have their day in court. You are still in your own world when you think my satisfaction has anything to do with this case. <BR/><BR/>But in response to what you are alluding to, If, for any reason, justice is NOT served and the charges are dismissed, (which I do not believe they will be), I believe I would suggest to Ms. Dillman to pursue a Federal case. (The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, enacted in 28 U.S.C. § 994 note Sec. 280003)<BR/><BR/>I do believe the victim´s children do have the basis for a civil case (similar to the Nicole Simpson Civil case) and I recommend Ms. Dillman pursue it regardless of the criminal case. With the brave young man Lawson´s court testimony, there should be more than enough evidence so the children can be cared for when they grow up. Ms. Dillman as their caretaker (mother) may be able to hire a lawyer to represent the victim´s children.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-61227792828953801262008-08-21T13:06:00.000-05:002008-08-21T13:06:00.000-05:00And since the boys are being charged as adults, th...And since the boys are being charged as adults, they would have to sue the boys, their parents have bee removed from any future proceedings due to the charges as adults.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-50309534905979120642008-08-21T13:05:00.000-05:002008-08-21T13:05:00.000-05:00Dillman herself has no case, although her children...Dillman herself has no case, although her children might. But for a case of wrongful death, Ramirez' immediate family would have to file the charges.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-8134053839853675852008-08-21T13:03:00.000-05:002008-08-21T13:03:00.000-05:00They have, for the last time, been charged with CR...They have, for the last time, been charged with CRIMINAL HOMICIDE!!!! The judge ruled out first and second degree murder allowing third degree murder, manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter as outcomes. Legal court terminology, legal court record!!!<BR/><BR/>Answer my question:<BR/>Will you be satisfied with the jury if they come out and find the boys guilty of involuntary manslaughter and aggravated assault?<BR/><BR/>As for Lawson, he is to be commended for his testimony, and I think the others will follow suit. Your problem is you are reading to much into what has been said, jumping to conclusions and condemning them unjustly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-28623639650848361992008-08-21T13:00:00.000-05:002008-08-21T13:00:00.000-05:00While I do believe Justice will be served, especia...While I do believe Justice will be served, especially since the FBI and ACLU have been called in, I also think the children of the deceased should be cared for and I advocate that Ms. Dillman talk to lawyers and begin a civil case against the perpetrators´ parents (Similar to the Nicole Simpson family´s civil case.) That way the children of the victim will be cared for. I believe the testimony of the brave, honest football player, Ben Lawson, should be sufficient evidence to win the Civil Case for the children of the deceased. The testimony of the 15 year old verbally attacked girl will help too.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.com