tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post5152535607716212946..comments2024-01-04T07:05:27.381-06:00Comments on Immigration Talk with a Mexican American: Blackwater: Will they be the Contracted Military Patrolling the US Southern Border?Deehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comBlogger139125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-74085388976543680462007-11-17T19:21:00.000-06:002007-11-17T19:21:00.000-06:00dee, if you want employer and illegal employee san...dee, if you want employer and illegal employee sanctions if and when we legalize these illegals, why do you only want employers punished right now before any legalization occurs but not the illegals? It is the same thing, dee. They are both guilty and both should be punished NOW. Our laws say RIGHT NOW that the employers should go to prison and the illegals deported. That is why I don't believe that you would want any new illegals punished AFTER any legalization process either. You would still only want the employers punished.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-53543559367582649112007-11-17T19:11:00.000-06:002007-11-17T19:11:00.000-06:00Part of securing the border is building the fence....Part of securing the border is building the fence. The BP can't secure the border without a physical barrier to assist them.<BR/><BR/>What about those immigrants waiting in line to come here legally? Do you think it fair that these illegals that have jumped ahead in line illegally should be rewarded for it while the others are still waiting? There is no proof that we need the 12 million here already. Many are standing on street corners begging for work. The housing industry is down and we are headed for a recession.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-4280233519933079562007-11-17T17:26:00.000-06:002007-11-17T17:26:00.000-06:00Pat,I do agree.Once the 12M are out of the shadows...Pat,<BR/>I do agree.<BR/>Once the 12M are out of the shadows and the app 12M are registered in a legal Guest Worker program, then any illegal workers or employers hiring illegal workers should go to prison-detention center. Period.<BR/><BR/>We, in the meantime, do have Secure Borders and increased rate of Border Patrol agents.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-26736000802302659772007-11-17T16:26:00.000-06:002007-11-17T16:26:00.000-06:00dee, how about employer AND employee sanctions to...dee, how about employer AND employee sanctions to be fair? We shouldn't have a double standard here. Both groups are guilty.<BR/><BR/>There is no English Only proposal and you know it. It is English as the Official language. Twisting and spinning the truth again?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-77737406745828765212007-11-17T13:52:00.000-06:002007-11-17T13:52:00.000-06:00Ulty, I don´t disagree with you about the corrupti...Ulty, I don´t disagree with you about the corruption in Congress and the Administration. It is flagrant, but I think it is heavier on the RNC side, particularly here in TX.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-88373835659191113102007-11-17T13:50:00.000-06:002007-11-17T13:50:00.000-06:00Ulty,I was in the cherry fields of the Traverse Ci...Ulty,<BR/>I was in the cherry fields of the Traverse City area every summer of my youth. There was nary a White face among the pickers. <BR/><BR/>Each summer the caravans of cars lined up and drove up to 1st pick strawberries, then Cherries. Then they travelled down to the Cucumber farms. Then topping onions, on and on until the late summer for Apple picking.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-84121153035963657162007-11-17T12:07:00.000-06:002007-11-17T12:07:00.000-06:00"All the Sugar Beet, Cherries, Strawberries, Onion..."All the Sugar Beet, Cherries, Strawberries, Onions, Cucumbers, Apples"<BR/><BR/>This is a blatant falsehood. I picked potatoes and cucumbers in Wisconsin and cherries in Utah. This is a typical overstatement by Dee.ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-60852151802203477352007-11-17T12:03:00.000-06:002007-11-17T12:03:00.000-06:00"Both have abused their authority AND charged us t..."Both have abused their authority AND charged us taxpayers OUTRAGEOUS, BLOATED charges."<BR/><BR/>We all are opposed to corruption wherever it is found and certainly we are opposed to bloated charges. The Government should sue to recover and tell its contracting officers to pay more attention to overcharges.<BR/><BR/>Our government has been just as ineffective on this score as it has been on illegal aliens and secure borders. What are we to do? We can write to congress and demand restitution and anti-corruption measures. But will that do any good no matter who is in charge of the congress and the white house? Look at Harry Reid's involvement in a project near Las Vegas. Reid is corrupt as are most politicians. Even our local mayor has been caught with significant conflicts of interest if not outright corruption. I despair about our country's future for many reasons -- corruption in both major parties, illegal aliens by the millions, those who would encourage more by excusing those already present.ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-11939213033686095132007-11-17T11:55:00.000-06:002007-11-17T11:55:00.000-06:00The Gestapo ruthlessly eliminated opposition by G...The Gestapo ruthlessly eliminated opposition by German citizens to the Nazis and was equally brutal in suppressing anti-NAZI activities and sentiment within the occupied territories. It was responsible for the roundup of Jews throughout Europe for deportation to extermination camps.ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-9465785647034729742007-11-17T11:42:00.000-06:002007-11-17T11:42:00.000-06:00Gestapo interrogation methods included: repeated n...Gestapo interrogation methods included: repeated near drownings of a prisoner in a bathtub filled with ice-cold water; electric shocks by attaching wires to hands, feet, ears and genitalia; crushing a man's testicles in a special vice; securing a prisoner's wrists behind his back then hanging him by the arms causing shoulder dislocation; beatings with rubber nightsticks and cow-hide whips; and burning flesh with matches or a soldering iron.ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-11674728792287637142007-11-17T10:57:00.000-06:002007-11-17T10:57:00.000-06:00And, as this thread states:. HR4088 calls for CONT...And, as this thread states:<BR/><BR/>. HR4088 calls for CONTRACTORS. We CANNOT allow Blackwater or ANY Crony Contributor to be the Contractor. <BR/><BR/>. Blackwater is under investigation for ABUSE!!! Abuse of power! Violence on Innocent bystanders! Yet NO ACCOUNTABILITY for their ABUSE!!<BR/><BR/>. The RNC has a History of utilizing RNC Contributors (Cronies) for Contracting Work both domestically and internationally. RNC Cronies have received No Bid contracts. Blackwater was a No Bid Contract. Willacy Detention Center was a No Bid Contract. Both have abused their authority AND charged us taxpayers OUTRAGEOUS, BLOATED charges. <BR/><BR/>WE CANNOT ALLOW THESE ABUSIVE CONTRACTORS TO RECEIVE ANY CONTRACTS or NO BID CONTRACTS for any Work much less work in this Immigration and Security debate!!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-60670140563909685582007-11-17T10:56:00.000-06:002007-11-17T10:56:00.000-06:00Ulty,Your proposal has some good points.We both ag...Ulty,<BR/>Your proposal has some good points.<BR/>We both agree on Secure Borders and Employer Sanctions. We agree on Secure IDs.<BR/><BR/>However, your proposal still calls for Mass Deportation of the 12M via sweeps and Operation Wetback Redux! This is a stumbling block.<BR/><BR/>Then you add on English Only and changing Birthright Citizenship. These are also stumbling blocks.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-30738710713270651622007-11-17T10:10:00.000-06:002007-11-17T10:10:00.000-06:00Ultima, you and I both know that even if those ill...Ultima, you and I both know that even if those illegals already here were granted amnesty and we reformed our immigration laws (whatever that means) that any more illegals who would enter our country dee would still be fighting for and demonizing law abiding Americans all over again. The only thing that would satisfy her is unlimited migraton from Latino countries without any objection to it by either our government or the American people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-46018698131281543752007-11-17T10:00:00.000-06:002007-11-17T10:00:00.000-06:00"Via the Secure ID Program. All Guest Workers (app..."Via the Secure ID Program. All Guest Workers (app 12M) will have Secure IDs. "<BR/><BR/>This is the problem, Dee. You want to grant blanket amnesty to all of the illegal aliens, award them with secure IDs and allow them to stay here and work as guests. This is what they want. It is not what the public wants. Try again.ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-26623583656062617682007-11-17T09:56:00.000-06:002007-11-17T09:56:00.000-06:00"Via the Secure ID Program. All Guest Workers (app..."Via the Secure ID Program. All Guest Workers (app 12M) will have Secure IDs.<BR/><BR/>Employers will be required to ensure all of their employees have SS or Secure IDs. The program requires auditing. Those employers not complaint will be prosecuted. Those workers will be prosecuted and or deported."<BR/><BR/>Under the current law employers are prohibited from hiring illegal aliens and, had a judge not interfered, would already be receiving mismatch notifications. You can't depend on employers to do the right thing even if there is a secure ID system. One must still have a way to identify miscreant employers. Raids, roundups and mismatch notifications are the only things that will work.<BR/><BR/>We all understand your agenda:<BR/>1. Secure the borders <BR/> a. More BP agents (won't work by itself)<BR/> b. Fence (not being built)<BR/>2. Mass amnesty for all illegals giving them work permits and IDs, the very object of their illegality.<BR/> a. Create incentive for more illegal aliens to violate the border.<BR/> b. No sanctions for illegals.<BR/>3. Employer sanctions but no means of identifying miscreants<BR/><BR/>Here's my plan:<BR/><BR/>1. Secure the border with more BP, National Guard, private contractors,trained and supervised MM auxiliaries.<BR/> a. Build border infrastructure without delay: double layer fence, electronic and aerial surveillance.<BR/> b. Use lethal force on drug smugglers.<BR/> c. photograph, fingerprint and DNA all those who are apprehended then involuntarily deport them.<BR/> d. jail 'em if they return.<BR/>2. Internal enforcement<BR/> a. SSN/name mismatch notices<BR/> b. SSN duplicate notices<BR/> c. Employer sanctions for those who do not immediately terminate illegals identified through SSN checks.<BR/> d. Regular raids and roundups at high profile employers.<BR/> e. All illegals identified through operation mismatch, held for ICE and expeditious deportation hearings.<BR/>3. Re-advertise all jobs currently held by terminated illegals.<BR/> a. Show irrefutable proof of failure to attract replacement workers if offered a living wage.<BR/> b. Wage rate to be determined by historical trends among legal employees by local unions and the Dept of Labor.<BR/> c. Accept applications from foreign workers for jobs that cannot otherwise be filled.<BR/> d. Applications must be filed in the foreign workers' homelands.<BR/> e. Workers must pass background check and health exam.<BR/> f. Those who entered this country illegally at any time can never become citizens.<BR/>4. Birthright citizenship granted to children when they reach their majority if at least one of their parents is a citizen. <BR/>5. Official English, repeal of EO 13166.<BR/>6. More judges assigned to detention centers to expedite deportations and eliminate any abuse of detainees.<BR/>7. Criteria for immigration appeals.<BR/> a. In US over 20 years.<BR/> b. Testimonials <BR/> c. No foreign flags or street demonstrations.<BR/> d. Children over the age of 7 in U.S. schools, dropouts will be deported.<BR/> e. Clean criminal record.<BR/> f. Job offer<BR/> g. Property maintenance, etc.<BR/> h. Renounce allegiance to any foreign government and relinquishment of dual citizenship.<BR/> i. Payment of back taxes.<BR/> j. Acceptance of no pathway to citizenship.<BR/>8. Immediate release of detainees for involuntary deportation at their own expense after photo etc. if they drop any appeal.<BR/>9. Immigration decisions made within 24 hours of apprehension. Time period for any appeal limited to one week.<BR/>10. No mass amnesty or legalization of illegals already here.ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-3642717894544758612007-11-17T09:13:00.000-06:002007-11-17T09:13:00.000-06:00"Establish a partnership with Mexico and ensure th..."Establish a partnership with Mexico and ensure they have a work program for their own citizens so they will not feel so compelled to leave."<BR/><BR/>Why is this our responsibility? There are many (the Nationalists) in Mexico who like things just as they are and oppose any Mexican enforcement of the border.ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-6357721019353905692007-11-16T22:45:00.000-06:002007-11-16T22:45:00.000-06:00Once again you misunderstand me, dee. I was stati...Once again you misunderstand me, dee. I was stating what you want. If you read my whole post I made it clear that is not what I want.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-52055362133836635642007-11-16T22:33:00.000-06:002007-11-16T22:33:00.000-06:00I also like Gov Richardsons suggestion he made yes...I also like Gov Richardsons suggestion he made yesterday. Establish a partnership with Mexico and ensure they have a work program for their own citizens so they will not feel so compelled to leave.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-69472624225565231922007-11-16T22:32:00.000-06:002007-11-16T22:32:00.000-06:00Pat, I agree with your statement.Pat´s statement:W...Pat, I agree with your statement.<BR/><BR/>Pat´s statement:<BR/>What you should be saying is:<BR/>1. Secure borders<BR/>2. Legalize illegals (who meet criteria) already here.<BR/><BR/>If after this occurs and some illegals still manage to sneak in and an employer hires them, only then should the employers be sanctioned and the "new" illegals deported.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-53204207753180458422007-11-16T22:30:00.000-06:002007-11-16T22:30:00.000-06:00Ulty,Via the Secure ID Program. All Guest Workers ...Ulty,<BR/>Via the Secure ID Program. All Guest Workers (app 12M) will have Secure IDs. <BR/><BR/>Employers will be required to ensure all of their employees have SS or Secure IDs. The program requires auditing. Those employers not complaint will be prosecuted. Those workers will be prosecuted and or deported.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-76553710415850690802007-11-16T20:50:00.000-06:002007-11-16T20:50:00.000-06:00"Bring the app 12M into Guest Worker status with s..."Bring the app 12M into Guest Worker status with secure IDs."<BR/><BR/>That is, declare an general amnesty and legalize all those who have broken the law.<BR/><BR/>You still haven't said how you would catch the employers of illegals. Would you go door to door checking IDs or would you rely on SSN/name mismatches and duplicate ssns?ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-31258294726286319842007-11-16T19:52:00.000-06:002007-11-16T19:52:00.000-06:00Good for Blackwater. We need someone who will do ...Good for Blackwater. We need someone who will do the job -- whatever it takes.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09326495837644127734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-18983857802909738582007-11-16T18:00:00.000-06:002007-11-16T18:00:00.000-06:00I meant to say under number 2. Legalize the illega...I meant to say under number 2. Legalize the illegals and do not sanction the employers. Because it isn't fair to sanction the employers but yet reward the illegal workers with a guest worker's card.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-86100913116261883962007-11-16T17:57:00.000-06:002007-11-16T17:57:00.000-06:00No, there should be no employer sanctions during t...No, there should be no employer sanctions during the time that illegals are legalized then. You are listing them both together. Don't list them together then because you aren't making yourself clear.<BR/><BR/>What you should be saying is:<BR/><BR/>1. Secure borders<BR/><BR/>2. Legalize illegals already here.<BR/><BR/>If after this occurs and some illegals still manage to sneak in and an employer hires them, only then should they be sanction and the "new" illegals deported. See how much clearer that is? Richardson made the same mistake you did during the debates.<BR/><BR/>GOV. RICHARDSON: -- secure the borders, a stronger relationship with Mexico. Those that knowingly hire illegal workers should be punished, and a path to legalization. That is the solution.<BR/><BR/>Of course, I think we need to secure the border first and pass HR 4088. Those employers who already have illegals on their payroll should be jailed and fined and the illegals deported who don't self deport. Then we start over by taking in immigrants who have waited to do it the right way based on our needs for foreign workers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-83462955677908344312007-11-16T17:28:00.000-06:002007-11-16T17:28:00.000-06:00Pat, I keep repeating this for you.1. Secure Borde...Pat, I keep repeating this for you.<BR/><BR/>1. Secure Borders<BR/>2. Employer Sanctions<BR/>3. Bring the app 12M into Guest Worker status with secure IDs.<BR/><BR/>ONCE these steps are in place, (within 3 months of bill passage) then any employer who hires people who do not have secure IDs and any workers who do NOT have secure IDs will be imprisoned. Period. Stiff penalities. Immediately!!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.com