tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post7099491349158128005..comments2024-01-04T07:05:27.381-06:00Comments on Immigration Talk with a Mexican American: ANTIs In Congress To FORCE Introduction of SAVE ACT (GESTAPO Bill)Deehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-10027621185401010352008-03-24T15:03:00.000-05:002008-03-24T15:03:00.000-05:00dee, if I bring up the race card it is because you...dee, if I bring up the race card it is because your side so loosely throws it around all the time at us anti's. Anyone who is opposed to illegal immigration and wants the illegals to go home is a racist according to the pro side of which you are a member of. <BR/><BR/>No, we don't need "your" kind of CIR! We need the rule of law back into our nation again and those punished who don't adhere to our laws. Their aiders and abettors need to be tried for treason.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-34944418320333040072008-03-24T12:05:00.000-05:002008-03-24T12:05:00.000-05:00You see Pat. You just don´t get it. No one brings ...You see Pat. You just don´t get it. No one brings up the race card but you. <BR/>We need CIR Pat. That is what we are saying, plain and simple!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-77685522815512304272008-03-19T17:22:00.000-05:002008-03-19T17:22:00.000-05:00High horse? By expecting civility in a debate rat...High horse? By expecting civility in a debate rather than having the race card pulled on you rather than discussing why one side or the other feels the way they do?<BR/><BR/>I have found it is a waste of time to debate with the pro-illegals most of the time too so don't play victim here. Reality? It is the pro-illegals who aren't dealing in reality. They deal from ethnocentrism and that is all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-25452955583381247252008-03-19T14:09:00.000-05:002008-03-19T14:09:00.000-05:00That's not it at all, get off your high horse "PAT...That's not it at all, get off your high horse "PAT." To debate with you is a waist of time is the reason I avoid it. You just need a reality check at times, as I find with most ANTI's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-32170785646803101612008-03-18T14:49:00.000-05:002008-03-18T14:49:00.000-05:00Sure thing, anon-dee. For those who choose not t...Sure thing, anon-dee. For those who choose not to debate with me, it isn't about my arguments, it has everything to do with them having no viable arguments of their own. I find most pro-illegals can't debate with civility. They always resort to the race card and some lame argument about this country or continent belonging to the so-called "indigenous" aka Mexicans and other Latinos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-605752595727219222008-03-18T10:41:00.000-05:002008-03-18T10:41:00.000-05:00Poor Pat,As I said, I have many viewers who email ...Poor Pat,<BR/>As I said, I have many viewers who email me often. Their choice is not to get into arguments with you. It is very understandable!<BR/><BR/>As for me, it is my blog, why on earth would i post as an anon. That is so silly. <BR/><BR/>If I wanted to be anon, I would not host a blog. sheesh.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-69239859776210039442008-03-17T21:34:00.000-05:002008-03-17T21:34:00.000-05:00anon-dee, amazing how you would use the word "Mayb...anon-dee, amazing how you would use the word "Mayberry" and spell anti in caps just like dee, isn't it? I have seen you pretend to be someone else before dee, so your little game isn't working.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-33626788527825280952008-03-17T09:21:00.000-05:002008-03-17T09:21:00.000-05:00oh please, pat being right is like George Bush bei...oh please, pat being right is like George Bush being an honest president, the ANTI's sure like to pat each other on the back a lot, and no that was not Dee earlier who posted about Pat being a racist, I read this blog quite frequently and it is quite obviousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-12320368707648196152008-03-16T22:25:00.000-05:002008-03-16T22:25:00.000-05:00well said, patriot.let's just recognizize that not...well said, patriot.<BR/><BR/>let's just recognizize that not all of the 20 million illegals are here to work<BR/><BR/>some of them are here to cause mayhemAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-80077065867163151912008-03-16T20:19:00.000-05:002008-03-16T20:19:00.000-05:00dee, you mean like your buddies in the Hispanic Bu...dee, you mean like your buddies in the Hispanic Business Forum who are saying that the whole white race of today is guilty of the crimes of whites from the past against the Native Americans? <BR/><BR/>Pot, kettle, black.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-57818925378050128762008-03-16T20:16:00.000-05:002008-03-16T20:16:00.000-05:00dee, there is no Gestapo bill and "we" the people ...dee, there is no Gestapo bill and "we" the people will help get the SAVE ACT passed because it is the right thing to do. <BR/><BR/>End of story!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-70313716824921113192008-03-16T20:04:00.000-05:002008-03-16T20:04:00.000-05:00Anon,Posting your unsubstantiated VDare paragraphs...Anon,<BR/>Posting your unsubstantiated VDare paragraphs is ludicrous. Some of your examples also do not differentiate between legal or illegal status, just Hispanic. <BR/><BR/>You are playing the race card, plain and simple, utilizing unsubstatiated information from a disreputable site.<BR/>Additionally, by charging an entire ethnic group of crimes based on those of a few are like saying you are guilty for the crimes of BTK or any of the sexual predators we often hear about. Is that what you want to happen? <BR/><BR/>Shame on you Anon!<BR/>Your post is ludicrous!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-29601729843759944062008-03-16T19:59:00.000-05:002008-03-16T19:59:00.000-05:00Pat,We the People are NOT going to allow a Gestapo...Pat,<BR/>We the People are NOT going to allow a Gestapo bill pass! Just like we are NOT going to allow Blackwater to patrol our backyards! <BR/>End of Story!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-28619861273872676642008-03-16T10:00:00.000-05:002008-03-16T10:00:00.000-05:00Dee not all the illegals here in the US are here ...Dee <BR/>not all the illegals here in the US are here to work.<BR/><BR/>deportation will benefit many citizens of the usa - <BR/><BR/>too late to benefit Jamiel Shaw, but we can save others like him if we come together to deport the 20 million <BR/><BR/>Jamiel is 17 and he was just murdered by one of the 20 million illegals<BR/><BR/>. The South Los Angeles high school student was shot dead just a few doors from home by two Latino men who jumped from a car and demanded to know to which gang he belonged. When he didn't answer, they shot him down. His father heard the shots and went outside to see his boy bleeding on the sidewalk. [A youth 'on track' until fatal gunfire, By Paloma Esquivel, Paul Pringle and Francisco Vara-Orta, LA Times, March 4, 2008] <BR/><BR/>Jamiel had no gang connections. He was apparently just another random victim of Hispanic gangsters killing blacks to drive them out of their corner of Aztlan. The promising football star had received inquiries from Stanford and Rutgers universities about a possible athletic scholarship. His mother, Army Sgt. Anita Shaw, was called home from her second tour of duty in Iraq after the murder of her son. <BR/><BR/>The family is crushed. Dad Jamiel Sr. said they have "simply lost everything." <BR/><BR/>No arrests have been made in the case. The family is asking the public for help in bringing the killers to justice. <BR/><BR/>The murder has some similarities to the barbaric shooting of 14-year-old Cheryl Green in December of 2006. The eighth-grade student is said to have strayed into the territory of the 204th Street Latino gang, known for its anti-black racism; she was certainly killed because of her race and because of America's refusal to enforce immigration law. <BR/><BR/>Two Hispanic men, both members of the 204th Street gang, were arrested a few months later for Cheryl's murder. One, Ernesto Alcarez, is apparently an illegal alien. <BR/><BR/>The other gangster, Jonathan Fajardo, is the son of immigrants from Belize. He is also accused in the killing of a witness in connection with the Green shooting. Christopher Ash, 25, died of multiple stab wounds and a slit throat. <BR/><BR/>The City of the Angels recently experienced a daytime gang battle that brought out the police SWAT team and closed down dozens of blocks for six hours. Several schools were locked down for that time. <BR/><BR/>Veteran L.A. Police Department officials described the bizarre midday shootings—and the widespread disruption they caused—as highly unusual even in an area known for gang activity. It left the neighborhood littered with shell casings and its residents fearful. <BR/><BR/>Police blamed the incident on the notorious Avenues gang, which has cast a wide shadow over districts north of downtown L.A. for decades and continues to be active despite several high-profile attempts by authorities to shut it down. [Gang mayhem cripples large area, LA Times, February 22, 2008] <BR/><BR/>Los Angeles used to be a wonderful American city. Now that it has become Mexican (in the words of former Mayor Hahn), LA is a preview of the future America. It should alarm many more citizens into pro-sovereignty activism. <BR/><BR/>Gangs are the inevitable blowback from importing millions of excess, unskilled workers from the third world, who end up in bitter competition with one another and home-grown citizens. Normal family dynamics are scrambled by the immigration process. Young children may gain inordinate power compared to elders by their ability to speak English, and the generation gap is magnified to an unhealthy degree. Young people feel culturally estranged from older family members and bond with other kids in similar circumstances. The situation is completely predictable as an environment for gang formation. <BR/><BR/>Los Angeles is Ground Zero for gangs in the country. The County is home to as many as 1,200 gangs with 80,000 members. The cost could be $2 billion annually for all of their destructive criminal activity. [Who'll stop the gangs?, LA Times, February 27, 2008] <BR/><BR/>In the city of Los Angeles, a 2005 estimate put Hispanic gang membership as the most numerous at over 23,000, while black gangs amounted to fewer than 16,000. <BR/><BR/>Apart from strictly gang crime, a report from The Economist detailed how blacks suffer disproportionately in hate crimes in LA. In over 400 such crimes in 2006, blacks in the County were victims 59 percent of the time, while they comprise just nine percent of the population. In 70 percent of the time, the perps were Hispanic. [When black and brown collide, August 2, 2007] <BR/><BR/>Because of the brutal gang crimes that shock and worry the public, the city government occasionally presents a public relations event or expensive new social program to create the appearance that something is being done. The recent gang conference, which set up a program to exchange a handful of police officers with El Salvador, was one of the former. Sheriff Baca used the occasion to sound concerned. <BR/><BR/>"Over the last decade, in Los Angeles County, we've lost more than 5,800 people to gang violence in comparison to less than 500 people to natural disasters," [Sheriff] Lee Baca said at the second annual International Chiefs of Police Summit on Transnational Gangs which opened here earlier in the day. [Official: Los Angeles haunted by gang violence, China View, March 4, 2008] <BR/><BR/>Funny thing—none of the assembled expert police officers suggested that the notoriously criminal-friendly Special Order 40 might be rescinded to fight gang violence more effectively. <BR/><BR/>LA's own sanctuary law prohibits police from asking about immigration status and removes what would be a very useful tool for officers. In her 2005 Congressional testimony, scholar Heather Mac Donald noted specific instances where Special Order 40 protected criminals and allowed them to commit more crimes. <BR/><BR/>It doesn't help people outside the area understand what's going on when the local newspaper of record is at times downright secretive in revealing the cultural identity of the perps. (Los Angeles residents don't need a diagram about who does the crimes.) Gleaning the demographic facts about crime from the LA Times can require the considerable detective skills. <BR/><BR/>For example, a report about the Feb 22 shootout had only one little hint about who the Avenues gang might be. <BR/><BR/>The Avenues gang has cast a long shadow in these poor, largely Latino sections north of downtown L.A. [Gang mayhem cripples large area] <BR/><BR/>Even the profoundly corrupt Southern Poverty Law Center states forthrightly that the Avenues gangsters are a bunch of Mexicans. <BR/><BR/>Although the Avenues gang goes back a half century, it only fell heavily under the control of the Mexican Mafia in the 1980s, eventually becoming fundamentally racist as a result. (Police point out that, ironically, the Avenues now sling dope for the Mexican Mafia, which the gang's leaders in decades past looked down upon as a "black thing.") [L.A. Blackout, SPLC Intelligence Report, Winter 2006] <BR/><BR/>On the other hand, the LA Times now has an online blog, the Homicide Report, which provides crime notices that clearly state ethnic identities. It is sobering reading. <BR/><BR/>The violence that makes headlines gets all the attention. But the fear imposed by crime can be pervasive and deadening to the spirit. Consider the loss of freedom required to protect children when gangs rule the neighborhood: <BR/><BR/>Marie Keith, who is black, moved from South Los Angeles with her three daughters in 2000, believing she'd come to Torrance. One day black children playing on the street began screaming that "the 204s were coming." <BR/><BR/>Keith watched as gang members drove through, shooting. Black youths dived behind walls. <BR/><BR/>Since then, Keith's children have not been allowed to play in front of their apartment. When she has to travel more than half a block, she drives. [How a community imploded, LA Times, March 4, 2007, by Sam Quinones] <BR/><BR/>No American should have to live in such conditions. No citizen child should have to stay indoors to be safe from rampaging foreigners. Living with a reasonable expectation of protection against crime is part of inhabiting a first-world country. We spend a lot of money on police and prisons. <BR/><BR/>Hispanic gangsters are reconquistas with baggy pants and tattoos. They are ethnically cleansing black citizens out of parts of LA now, but indications are more of the same for the rest of us—first through the Southwest, next in America as a whole. Crime works well as a technique of the low-intensity warfare that is part and parcel of immigration as invasion. <BR/><BR/>Sounds apocalyptic? The social pathology in Los Angeles proves that we have exceeded the level of immigration we can accommodate. <BR/><BR/>When Hispanic gang members routinely drive around looking for random black people to kill, then America has far too many immigrants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-50553931672560607722008-03-16T09:27:00.000-05:002008-03-16T09:27:00.000-05:00Dee, if the SAVE act passes and the US becomes a p...Dee, if the <BR/>SAVE act passes and the US becomes a police state, will you protest by moving to some country more to your liking?<BR/><BR/>No one wants to force you to stay in a place that you are unhappy withAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-74072922348014634962008-03-15T21:08:00.000-05:002008-03-15T21:08:00.000-05:00Nope! We aren't a vanilla society. Stop putting ...Nope! We aren't a vanilla society. Stop putting words in my mouth. We have a unified culture with many races of people living here.<BR/><BR/>If you had it your way we would be a mochoa society based on Hispanic culture. Dream on it ain't gonna happen. <BR/><BR/>The bill will pass so hit that bottle right now to drown your tears. It is happy hour in Texas, isn't it? lol. Not so happy for you though. We are taking our country back and you seditionists living among us can GTH. We have had enough of your ethnocentric disloyalty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-32423500576397068612008-03-15T20:56:00.000-05:002008-03-15T20:56:00.000-05:00sorry Pat. You stay in denial. You refuse to ackno...sorry Pat. You stay in denial. You refuse to acknowledge the truth.<BR/><BR/>We are a multi cultural society. NOT plain vanilla as you wish it would be.<BR/><BR/>The facts are this heinous bill cannot pass. Given all we know, we do not want to move to a Gestapo state!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-84532512474713878542008-03-15T20:24:00.000-05:002008-03-15T20:24:00.000-05:00No, I feel sad for you dee that you are in denial ...No, I feel sad for you dee that you are in denial that we have one unified culture but many races in this country. We have our own identity in this country. You are trying to make it into many identities and it simply isn't true per se. <BR/><BR/>You are the one that needs to get back to reality and stop thinking that this country is based on Hispanic culture. It isn't! What has vanilla or chocolate to do with it? Americans come in many skin colors. <BR/><BR/>You Hispanics are the ones seperating yourselves from the rest of us. <BR/><BR/>Dream on about the SAVE ACT not passing. There is nothing Gestapo about it but at least by using that word you have defined yourself as a disloyal American. But of course we all knew that all along. You just keep confirming it for us. You'll not get the kind of CIR you and your ilk are advocating and you can take that to the bank!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-694799448360048612008-03-15T19:57:00.000-05:002008-03-15T19:57:00.000-05:00The bottom line is however, this heinous bill cann...The bottom line is however, this heinous bill cannot pass. Given all we know, we do not want to move to a Gestapo state!<BR/><BR/>All signs tell us this bill will NOT pass, especially before the election.<BR/><BR/>After the election, we can look forward to Comprehensive Immigration Reform! CIRDeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-27741211064406054302008-03-15T19:56:00.000-05:002008-03-15T19:56:00.000-05:00Pat,I feel sad for you. You don´t understand our G...Pat,<BR/>I feel sad for you. You don´t understand our Great USA!<BR/>We are a multi cultural society.<BR/>We are thriving!<BR/><BR/>You seem to be lost in some vanilla, mono cultural cell. Kinda scary when you think about it.<BR/><BR/>We will continue to live on and thrive. Once you decide you want to join us in our multi cultural society, just say Hello!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-157027763556964002008-03-15T17:49:00.000-05:002008-03-15T17:49:00.000-05:00Too bad dee that you don't know the difference bet...Too bad dee that you don't know the difference between race and culture. We have several different races in this country but only one blended, dominant and identifying culture. <BR/><BR/>Try not to drool all over yourself in your multi-cultural fantasy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-24556192667591444052008-03-15T16:57:00.000-05:002008-03-15T16:57:00.000-05:00Anon,What you term "mixed up", in reality, is our ...Anon,<BR/>What you term "mixed up", in reality, is our beautiful multi cultural American society. Apparently you do not understand this. All ethnicities inter-marry in our open, free, multi cultural society. Haven´t you noticed? Are you so isolated you are not aware of this? We have every ethnicity in my family. I am sure most in America can say the same.<BR/><BR/>If you believe otherwise, it is you who are living in a fantasy land. <BR/><BR/>We are the Land of the Free, Home of the Brave in our Beautiful Multi Cultural Society! God Bless the Beautiful Children!!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-21900241986237165762008-03-15T10:45:00.000-05:002008-03-15T10:45:00.000-05:00dee,Mayberry is part of your posting vocabulary-pa...dee,<BR/><BR/>Mayberry is part of your posting vocabulary-patriot is right! You say you are "That Girl". You are so not "that girl", believe me.<BR/>You are so mixed up about who you are, husband anglo, children 1/2 anglo, daughter-in-laws-anglo? maybe, maybe not. You embraced the American language and culture but never developed a loyalty to this country. You are so un-American. Family here for hundreds of years but your own mother never learned English, how did that happen? I feel sorry for you, I truly do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-76287185646590344802008-03-14T23:08:00.000-05:002008-03-14T23:08:00.000-05:00Sure dee, everyone uses the Mayberry argument and ...Sure dee, everyone uses the Mayberry argument and types anti in caps. What a coincidence, right? LOL!<BR/><BR/>It is you who has been in a fighting mood all week. It happens everytime something in congress is going on that isn't favorable to your side. You come in here like a rabid dog foaming at the mouth everytime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-9346804153969018012008-03-14T20:55:00.000-05:002008-03-14T20:55:00.000-05:00I do agree that the end result of the SAVE Act is ...I do agree that the end result of the SAVE Act is that if people can't work, then they will be forced to leave because nobody can survive without a job or assistance of some kind. I believe the 4 year period comes in associated with the number of years that the businesses will have to start using e-verify. So, is that where you are getting the 4 year period from, Dee? <BR/><BR/>Look, we all know in the end there is going to be some kind of compromise, something that will expand the temporary worker program and something that will not make getting legal citizenship a 10 year process. I think what most of the "antis" want is for the continous stream of illegal immigrants to end and end now and to get real about securing the border before an amnesty is given to 20 million people who will in turn bring in three or four times more million<BR/>till we are flat broke in this country.<BR/><BR/>Have a good weekend everybody. I'm exhausted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com