tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post80951638183836873..comments2024-01-04T07:05:27.381-06:00Comments on Immigration Talk with a Mexican American: Ramirez HATE Crime: Court Testimony Illustrated for the "Kick in the Head" Case!Deehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-92069351573227998422008-08-25T20:17:00.000-05:002008-08-25T20:17:00.000-05:00Actually Dee, Ulty was making a point, I don't thi...Actually Dee, Ulty was making a point, I don't think you understood it at all. Look to the Jena 6 case, I alluded to it earlier in this topic, your claim of a racial motivated crime and it all started with the nooses, was proven wrong. It was nothing more than a fight between boys that others got involved in simply due to the 'white' boy goading them earlier. The only thing that went to far was trying to try the 'black' boys with 2nd degree murder, when they should have been tried for assault off the get go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-78513153055180143312008-08-25T20:06:00.000-05:002008-08-25T20:06:00.000-05:00Ulty,Based on your feedback, I think you get it mu...Ulty,<BR/>Based on your feedback, I think you get it much more than Liquid does.<BR/><BR/>These young men committed a crime and should be punished. End of story. It MAY be due to a multiple of root causes, one or all. Some alcohol and drugs. Some prejudice. Some hate. Some youth. Some lack of brain cell development.<BR/><BR/>But the facts are, they need to be charged, tried and punished.<BR/><BR/>That is all I have said from Day 1!!<BR/><BR/>The issue initially is, the police chief said they were good young boys, he knew the families, and he was reticent in charging them. <BR/><BR/>I wanted them charged and let Justice be served.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-8925966877868338802008-08-25T15:47:00.000-05:002008-08-25T15:47:00.000-05:00With your Filadelphia article (Al Dia News), now I...With your Filadelphia article (Al Dia News), now I see where you get your arguments from.<BR/><BR/>Nothing like a racially biased news link article to get your prejudice from for which you claim as truth and factual. When there 'interpretation' is proven wrong through a jury trial, are they going to riot?? because like you they believe Ramirez was "MURDERED"?? Will the courts justice be enough?? Will your ilk be ok with a charge of Inv. Manslaughter?? What if they are found innocent of that charge and Ramirez is shown as the aggressor due to going back after the boys after round 1??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-44078542348026962592008-08-24T17:13:00.000-05:002008-08-24T17:13:00.000-05:00This case is far from unique or has everyone forgo...This case is far from unique or has everyone forgotten Jena, LA where a white boy was set upon by several Blacks, knocked out and kicked in the head several times. He could easily have died.<BR/><BR/>At the University of Colorado a white student was set upon by a gang of several teenagers, severely beaten and kicked in the head. He was permanently impaired mentally and never returned to school.<BR/><BR/>The son of a colleague of mine was hit on the head with a brick by some Blacks and was never the same afterwards and finally committed suicide.<BR/><BR/>My son's hair was set on fire by a burly Black.<BR/><BR/>The underdevelopment of young brains is clearly evident in these incidents but is there more to it than that?ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-9957094888338144712008-08-24T16:12:00.000-05:002008-08-24T16:12:00.000-05:00Dee said... Liquid, As I said, A young ma...Dee said...<BR/><BR/> Liquid,<BR/> As I said,<BR/> A young man is Dead!<BR/> It is a crime.<BR/> The criminals will be punished.<BR/> Let Justice be served!<BR/><BR/> August 24, 2008 3:34 PM<BR/><BR/><BR/>You and I agree 100% in these statements.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-32348693897156722202008-08-24T16:11:00.000-05:002008-08-24T16:11:00.000-05:00I am in denial of nothing Dee, you fail to compreh...I am in denial of nothing Dee, you fail to comprehend anything I have stated in this discussion of this topic or the other.<BR/><BR/>We all agree this was a crime, we all agree these boys should be punished, we all agree it was tragic what happened to Ramirez.<BR/><BR/>The argument I have with you is your prejudice in judging these boys for murder on one side of your mouth while at the same time yelling let justice decide, which contradicts your statements.<BR/><BR/>You also fail to state that Ramirez, too, was drunk and had a chemical drug in his system. You are only giving one side of the argument, trying to justify your prejudice. You are attempting to turn this into a racial division when you nor I know all the facts.<BR/><BR/>We agree on many things of this case, however I use all the facts and statements to come to my opinion of these boys will probably be found guilty of Involuntary Manslaughter vs 3rd degree murder. But as I stated, that is my opinion which is much different than what you state as this is a case of murder and hate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-86604811073093134332008-08-24T15:36:00.000-05:002008-08-24T15:36:00.000-05:00And that final Kick in the Head! I think it was he...And that final Kick in the Head! I think it was heinous! No reason for it!!! Dont you think that criminal should be charged and penalized?<BR/><BR/>Are you truly that much in denial???Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-10025626055901872552008-08-24T15:35:00.000-05:002008-08-24T15:35:00.000-05:00Liquid,Dont you care about the young man who died?...Liquid,<BR/>Dont you care about the young man who died? Dont you care that his death was due to an act of drunken violence perpetrated by these jocks? Dont you care at all about the victim?<BR/>Are you truly that heartless????Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-61555736257789617602008-08-24T15:34:00.000-05:002008-08-24T15:34:00.000-05:00Liquid,As I said,A young man is Dead!It is a crime...Liquid,<BR/>As I said,<BR/>A young man is Dead!<BR/>It is a crime.<BR/>The criminals will be punished. <BR/>Let Justice be served!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-36120460918601146602008-08-24T12:40:00.000-05:002008-08-24T12:40:00.000-05:00OK Dee, what is Murder-Homicide??? The charge is C...OK Dee, what is Murder-Homicide??? The charge is Criminal Homicide not Murder-Homicide. You are still implying they are guilty of murder with your prejudice, which contradicts anything beyond that in which you claim to want the courts to decide the case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-5080966103812159572008-08-24T10:52:00.000-05:002008-08-24T10:52:00.000-05:00Liquid,As I said,A young man is Dead!It is a crime...Liquid,<BR/>As I said,<BR/>A young man is Dead!<BR/>It is a crime.<BR/>The judge has ruled sufficient evidence was presented they are going to trial for Murder-Homicide and Ethnic Intimidation.<BR/>The racial slurs used during the Ethnic Intimidation can be considered a Hate Crime.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-40468745359990615722008-08-23T22:20:00.000-05:002008-08-23T22:20:00.000-05:00You still do it... They are going to trial for CRI...You still do it... They are going to trial for CRIMINAL HOMICIDE!!! It is not MURDER. You keep proving everything I state about what you are doing. I don't know how else to explain it rather than to tell you to call an attorney and have him explain it to you, maybe you would believe an attorney over me (even though he's going to tell you the same thing I have).<BR/><BR/>They are only "SOME!!!" of the facts presented in the prelim, not all the facts.<BR/><BR/>Why should the courts try the case when you have already deemed them guilty of murder and racial hate??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-6417709563935124752008-08-23T22:08:00.000-05:002008-08-23T22:08:00.000-05:00Liquid,A young man is Dead!It is a crime.The judge...Liquid,<BR/>A young man is Dead!<BR/>It is a crime.<BR/>The judge has ruled sufficient evidence was presented they are going to trial for Murder-Homicide and Ethnic Intimidation.<BR/>The racial slurs used during the Ethnic Intimidation can be considered a Hate Crime.<BR/><BR/>These are the Facts as represented in Court Proceedings.<BR/><BR/>From Day 1 I have said, "Let Justice Be Served! Let the Courts try this case!" <BR/>You can goad and goad all you want but I will continue to say the same thing.<BR/><BR/>I also pray for Peace in their community and the end to Violence and Hate. As I have said We ALL Need to Get Along!!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-1025269945155698122008-08-23T21:48:00.000-05:002008-08-23T21:48:00.000-05:00It came from my link??, an "ARTICLE" written by th...It came from my link??, an "ARTICLE" written by the MSM covering only the highlights of the prelim testimony of Lawson. That's all any of the articles due. Lawsons testimony is not used in its entirety as it has not been published. Like I said, when it all comes out at trial, we will see what the actual facts and time line truly are. <BR/><BR/>You are being chastised, as I have repeatedly stated, for YELLING they are GUILTY/CHARGED OF MURDER and that it is a RACIALLY MOTIVATED HATE CRIME!! This is only your opinion, yet you have never stated that it is your opinion. You have even placed it in your headlines, leading anybody who reads your STATEMENTS that these boys are already judged and deemed guilty by you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-75506824114638718832008-08-23T21:22:00.000-05:002008-08-23T21:22:00.000-05:00Liquid,You are truly out in left field.I have said...Liquid,<BR/>You are truly out in left field.<BR/>I have said from day 1, let Justice be served. Let the courts decide. Go back and read what I said. Let Justice be served.<BR/><BR/>Also, I have said STOP THE VIOLENCE and EVERYONE SHOULD GET ALONG, IN PEACE.<BR/><BR/>Do not put words in my mouth. I always say the same thing. Justice, Peace and ALL to Get Along!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-82954566643545522572008-08-23T21:20:00.000-05:002008-08-23T21:20:00.000-05:00Liquid, The timeline I used came from YOUR link.Liquid, The timeline I used came from YOUR link.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-52722032391914314742008-08-23T21:09:00.000-05:002008-08-23T21:09:00.000-05:00I am not chastising everybody that disagrees with ...I am not chastising everybody that disagrees with me, in fact we agree on most things about this case, it's just You and those who think like you, are making judgment calls vs doing what you are claiming in allowing the justice system to do its job, you have pre-determined guilt and have called for these boys to spend there lives behind bars, others are yelling for them to be raped by the Hispanics while in jail. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Same as you did with the Jena 6 case and your racial claims, for which you were found to be in the wrong by our justice system and the actual facts and truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-26584902956896754092008-08-23T20:40:00.000-05:002008-08-23T20:40:00.000-05:00It is all about semantics, Dee. You are YELLING "M...It is all about semantics, Dee. You are YELLING "MURDER!!!" about this case, when the boys have and are being charged with CRIMINAL HOMICIDE. The highest they can be found guilty of is 3rd Degree Murder, the lowest they could be found guilty of is Involuntary Manslaughter.<BR/><BR/>By yelling "MURDER!!!", you have pre-judged these boys, even though you always claim to want fair and equal justice for all. Why is it you can't let these boys be tried for their crimes and let the jury decide?? Allow all the facts to be presented.<BR/><BR/>You have missed the whole time line, there is a lot more to it that you have left out and you know it. You are claiming to be using Lawson's testimony from the preliminary hearing, yet you are not using all of it. You are only using the picked parts from the MSM. A preliminary hearing is only to decide if a trial will go further or be dropped and at which the judge decides, not whether the defendant is "guilty" or "not guilty," but whether there is enough evidence to force the defendant to stand trial. In making this determination, the judge uses the "probable cause" legal standard, deciding whether the government has produced enough evidence to convince a reasonable jury that the defendant committed the crime(s) charged. Add in the eye-witness accounts and statements of Areille Garcia for which it changes your entire timeline.<BR/><BR/>You also forget, that the MSM only highlights parts of the information, and you are trying to capitalize on it to justify your statements of "MURDER!!!". Hence my question to you: Would YOU be satisfied if the jury came back and found guilty of Involuntary Manslaughter? It has nothing to do with overall satisfaction, only if you would be fine with that conclusion? So, would you??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-28577677110657854682008-08-23T19:50:00.000-05:002008-08-23T19:50:00.000-05:00Liquid,We have discussed countless cases on my blo...Liquid,<BR/>We have discussed countless cases on my blog and I have to say I have never seen you take a case so personally. You chastise everyone who disagrees with you. Even OOV who generally is on the same side you are on. <BR/><BR/>As a reminder, I started this Blog for one reason and it is stated in my Blogs Mission:<BR/><BR/>"To provide a forum where people, both PRO and ANTI, can discuss American Immigration Issues and Political Issues civilly, freely and safely thereby reducing the hate, anger and misunderstandings currently inherent in most of these discussions."<BR/><BR/>--------<BR/>I am proud to say I am glad we have so many active participants and viewers on my blog.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-60973517874353936632008-08-23T16:12:00.000-05:002008-08-23T16:12:00.000-05:00Anon, I guess you are accusing Dee of Bigotry sinc...Anon, I guess you are accusing Dee of Bigotry since the definition states:<BR/> a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance<BR/><BR/>Since it is she who continues to call the charge MURDER and is showing her OPINIONATED PREJUDICE towards a group of boys that are of the same RACIAL ETHNICITY (white) and her vial hatred to read and report the actual facts and statements of all the persons involved to create a clear picture of the actual crime of CRIMINAL HOMICIDE!!<BR/><BR/>But then maybe your ignorance of understanding comprehension and the actual verbiage of the law blinds your own views for which it is easier to blame others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-83831743903472725172008-08-23T13:57:00.000-05:002008-08-23T13:57:00.000-05:00Keep posting on this hate crime. The fact that yo...Keep posting on this hate crime. The fact that you are pissing some bigots off means you're doing the right thing.<BR/><BR/>I wonder how these people can sleep at night knowing that they beat someone to death.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-85157604054599940332008-08-23T10:41:00.000-05:002008-08-23T10:41:00.000-05:00I disagree and the dictionary would also. He was...I disagree and the dictionary would also. He was being honest but that doesn't qualify him as a hero.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-90200215193997853702008-08-23T09:44:00.000-05:002008-08-23T09:44:00.000-05:00Of course he is a hero. Can you imagine how he is ...Of course he is a hero. Can you imagine how he is being chastised by the perpetrators on the football team? It takes courage to tell the truth in these circumstances. He IS a hero, be definition!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-47222204791078196632008-08-22T23:37:00.000-05:002008-08-22T23:37:00.000-05:00I would hardly call someone testifying what they s...I would hardly call someone testifying what they saw during a crime, a hero. No need for melodramatics and terminology that doesn't fit the act.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-69403176612421025162008-08-22T22:10:00.000-05:002008-08-22T22:10:00.000-05:00Dee said... Your problem, Liquid, is you KNOW t...Dee said...<BR/><BR/> Your problem, Liquid, is you KNOW that once people SEE what happened, they will realize that Ramirez was by himself when this gang of Jocks beat the hexx out of him and kicked him in the head until they murdered him while these jocks all hurled racial slurs at him.<BR/><BR/> All very clear in the Testimony.<BR/><BR/> August 22, 2008 8:15 PM<BR/><BR/>Then where does the Garcia's come into play?? What of there statements?? What of Mr. Garcia being involved in the fight??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com