tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post8429381618989029445..comments2024-01-04T07:05:27.381-06:00Comments on Immigration Talk with a Mexican American: Mitt Cuts and Runs! McCain is the GOPs 2008 Candidate!Deehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comBlogger89125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-65898772400734081422008-02-13T21:55:00.000-06:002008-02-13T21:55:00.000-06:00WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. border officers found a w...WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. border officers found a wire between two fences along the U.S.-Mexican border that, when stretched taut, could have seriously harmed or even decapitated Border Patrol agents, Congress was told Wednesday.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The wire was about 4 feet high when pulled tight, or about neck level for an agent on an ATV, officials say.<BR/><BR/> "It was configured in a way so that, if it was pulled, it would take off the head of a Border Patrol agent riding in an open car," Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said at a House budget hearing.<BR/><BR/>The wire was discovered Saturday when authorities monitoring a surveillance camera saw two people on the north side of the border east of the San Ysidro Port of Entry, in the San Diego sector.<BR/><BR/>Border Patrol agents sent to the area found a thick metal wire tied to a secondary fence.<BR/><BR/>The wire stretched across the border road and led into Mexico through a hole in the primary fence, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection.<BR/><BR/>When pulled tight, the wire would be about 4 feet high -- about neck level for an agent riding on an all-terrain vehicle, CBP said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-25986182270513380962008-02-12T22:23:00.000-06:002008-02-12T22:23:00.000-06:00You know Ulty, I agree with you and Mirror. I thin...You know Ulty, I agree with you and Mirror. I think there are a significant number of newer illegal immigrants who do not want citizenship and would be satisfied with Guest Worker status. They would be willing to go back home every year.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-5535918039153022012008-02-12T17:40:00.000-06:002008-02-12T17:40:00.000-06:00"Not agitating. They were expressing their views. ..."Not agitating. They were expressing their views. Freedom of Speech, remember!<BR/>They were marching to voice their disagreement with the Sensennbrenner Bill.<BR/>I hope you are not advocating a military state and stopping Freedom of Speech."<BR/><BR/>No, I am not for abrogating freedom of speech but it seems a little strange for American citizens to be favoring foreigners. It would be like German Americans demonstrating in favor of the Third Reich or the Nazis.<BR/><BR/>There is a fine line between freedom of speech and sedition.ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-27043141820194117912008-02-12T17:34:00.000-06:002008-02-12T17:34:00.000-06:00"Who says they'll become U.S. citizens with voting..."Who says they'll become U.S. citizens with voting rights if they're legalized? They could have just been given the right to live and work here with freedom to go back and forth between their countries coupled with an option of becoming a U.S. citizen if certain criteria are met."<BR/><BR/>I think I agree with you on this one. Their main interest is in being allowed to stay and work here without the threat of deportation. I would add I do not advocate a pathway to citizenship ever for anyone who entered the country illegally. There may be exceptions that should be considered such as those who entered as children but who later served honorably in the armed forces for not less than 4 years. Those folks would deserve a pathway to citizenship facilitated by the military while they are serving.ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-84078636604675533322008-02-12T17:30:00.000-06:002008-02-12T17:30:00.000-06:00"13.) Isn't that what they define minimum wage as?..."13.) Isn't that what they define minimum wage as?<BR/><BR/>14.) This is much better than #5."<BR/><BR/>I don't think so. The minimum wage is just whatever congress says is the minimum wage. A living wage might have to be developed based on a procedure for adjusting historical wages upward for inflation from the time when the jobs were in fact held by citizens. The Labor Dept is good with statistics like this and unions should have an input too. The downside of this proposal is the possibility that more jobs will be outsourced if the wage is too high to allow American products to be competitive. This should not affect jobs in construction.ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-8502149288792420342008-02-12T17:24:00.000-06:002008-02-12T17:24:00.000-06:00"8.) This is an option I guess... Could get messy ..."8.) This is an option I guess... Could get messy if no other country wishes to claim the child.<BR/><BR/>9.) I don't understand this one. Majority?<BR/><BR/>10.) Mexico would appreciate this.."<BR/><BR/>8. We don't give them an option. We simply issue a birth certificate indicating the country of origin of the parents as the citizenship of the child.<BR/>9. Majority used to refer to that point at which a person became eligible to enter into legal contracts,etc., generally refers to the age of 21. However, I believe that anyone who enlists in the armed services for 4 years at age 18 should also be entitled. Perhaps I am wrong about the age of 21 since folks can now vote at age 18 no matter how wet behind the ears they are.ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-4631707491167245132008-02-12T17:18:00.000-06:002008-02-12T17:18:00.000-06:00"7.) Wouldn't customs agents need to be equipped w..."7.) Wouldn't customs agents need to be equipped with pregnancy testss? LOL, right beside their guns. Besides, this is inhumane and violates a women's right to privacy."<BR/><BR/>Yep, heck if athletes need urine tests surely foreigners can expect no less. Nothing inhumane about it. It's a simple noninvasive test utterly painless. Do athletes have a right to privacy? Druggies? Fortunately, we have a simple and accurate test available. All of this would be unnecessary with a simple change in the 14th amendment.ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-24167677520688483152008-02-12T17:12:00.000-06:002008-02-12T17:12:00.000-06:00"1.) 200,000 is not a realistic number - I think i..."1.) 200,000 is not a realistic number - I think it's even less than the current number."<BR/><BR/>Yes, it is definitely less than the current number but it is the number needed to stabilize our population and allow our natural resources to last a little longer. I believe the number we admit should be based on our needs not on the wants of the world's immigrant desires.<BR/><BR/>I don't believe we should immediately reduce the number to 200,000 but I do believe we should begin. More is not better.ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-89076979565002141692008-02-12T17:08:00.000-06:002008-02-12T17:08:00.000-06:00Mirror said, "McCain wasn't the only choice, there...Mirror said, "McCain wasn't the only choice, there was Romney, Paul, Thompson, etc. that didn't agree with McCain on immigration. But what happened? McCain won state after state against those guys."<BR/><BR/>It wasn't as though immigration was the only issue or even the most important one with an economic downturn in the wind and the Iraqi war still going on. Thompson's campaign never got off the ground because he didn't seem much interested in it himself -- a little like Giuliani. Romney had a flip flop problem but, I am proud to say, won handily in my state of Colorado. You have to admire Ron Paul. I'm sure he understood that his campaign would never work either because his views were to different for people to comprehend and evaluate. Yet some of them had substantial merits. All the candidates were walking on eggs on the immigration issue because the Hispanic vote may well be the deciding factor if other voters split down the middle. I believe most of the candidates remarks about immigration were designed to obfuscate the issue rather than explain it. They wanted the American people to believe whatever they already believed -- typical politicians.<BR/><BR/>As a result, I'm not sure you can draw any conclusions from the McCain victories except that he is a legitimate American hero, is not wet behind the ears, knows something about war and foreign affairs and benefited from the negatives attached to the other candidates. There was a common understanding that none of the Republican candidates aroused much enthusiasm among the party faithful.ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-77860057694253932532008-02-12T16:55:00.000-06:002008-02-12T16:55:00.000-06:006.I agree to an Immigration Visa overhaul and an i...6.I agree to an Immigration Visa overhaul and an improved Tracking system.<BR/>7.Deny admission of any pregnant visitors? Very odd. I suppose when Prince Harry gets married and his wife pregnant, you will deny her entry. I guess you do not believe in tourism. Or, is that only pregnant tourists from Latin countries that you oppose.<BR/><BR/>I believe in tourism but not for pregnant women who seek to confer birthright citizenship on their offspring. In fact, I believe it is already against the law for tourists to come here with that purpose in mind. The only way you can stop it is by prohibiting pregnant women from visiting the U.S. or changing the 14th amendment. I make no exceptions for Prince Harry or anyone else regardless of ethnicity. Our laws have to be fair to all. Sorry Harry. Better luck next time. <BR/><BR/>8.Jus Soli – I don´t agree to a change, however, if the Congress agrees to it at some future date, I agree to follow the law.<BR/><BR/>As we all must. But I obviously seek a change whereas you do not.<BR/><BR/>9.Delay the award? No. If Congress passes a bill, then we would abide by the law. This delay makes no sense.<BR/><BR/>Actually, I thought this was a wonderful idea. What does an infant know about citizenship? Besides this would then defuse the argument about family separations based on minor children with birthright citizenship. I would even say even though you are eligible for citizenship when achieve your majority you must demonstrate the same knowledge as a newcomer applying for naturalization. I can't imagine why anyone would object to have an informed citizenry when it comes to civics and related matters concerning our country.ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-1824162398113695082008-02-12T16:45:00.000-06:002008-02-12T16:45:00.000-06:00Dee thank you for your comments as follows: "Here ...Dee thank you for your comments as follows: "Here are my responses to your questions:<BR/>1. No. Legal Immigration should stay at current rate.<BR/>1. Why? Read "Collapse" by Jared Diamond,<BR/>2.Yes to the first half. We need to bring our greatest minds together to solve the Economic crisis we are facing.<BR/><BR/>2. I wonder what Dr. Borjas would say to the question of a stable population with a soft landing for our economy. Is it possible? What would it take? More is not always better as we all well know.<BR/>3.Yes. Secure the border with trained BP Agents.<BR/>3. Most reasonable people would be willing to admit that borders cannot be secured solely by more agents and physical improvements. We have to create a disincentive for border violation short of the draconian measures used by the East Germans trying to keep their people from escaping to the West. How would you create these disincentives? I think the only way is to have a repatriation program so that a significant percentage of the illegals are invited to leave on a regular basis. They wouldn't want to waste their time coming here and making that arduous journey only to be quickly expelled.<BR/>4.No. I do not support Detention Centers and I believe we should bring the 12M out of the shadows. Those felonious criminals should be immediately deported.<BR/><BR/>Without the facilities to handle the illegals what you propose is basically an amnesty -- they get to stay and work. I don't believe in lengthy detention of families and would give they the option of immediate involuntary return to their countries of origin. The real criminals won't be bothered by deportation; they'll be back the next day and take whatever risks are involved to continue their nefarious activities. Their expulsion, however ineffective it might be is a given, provided we can find a way to sort them out from others who deserve better treatment than common criminals.<BR/><BR/>5.Not amnesty. Bring the 12M out of the shadows and those felony free be registered in a Guest Worker program and be allowed, if they choose, to go to the back of the line and start the citizenship process."<BR/><BR/>We have to agree on a definition of amnesty. Almost everyone agrees the illegals should not be granted amnesty. Technically any penalty, even if it is a slap on the wrist, means it is not amnesty. That is not a useful or commonly understood definition. We should all agree that if they are allowed to stay and work regardless of any penalties that might be imposed, that is amnesty. Once we agree on that then we can get on with a discussion of the substance of the matter.<BR/><BR/>I am troubled by a pathway to citizenship for anyone of any ethnic origin who has entered this country illegally. I believe even if they qualify for some program that grants them a work permit they should never be allowed to become citizens. That is is a real penalty in my judgment. Moreover, many are not really interested beyond becoming free of the threat of deportation. Why deal with the hassle of citizenship if you can enjoy most of the benefits without doing that?ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-28979044608809124412008-02-12T16:23:00.000-06:002008-02-12T16:23:00.000-06:00"1. Do you advocate Mass Deportation of 12M illega..."1. Do you advocate Mass Deportation of 12M illegal immigrants?<BR/>2. Do you support the racial profiling which occurs when restrictionist immigration laws are imposed such as in Oklahoma and Arizona?"<BR/><BR/>Dee: The questions you suggest above are exactly the kind of questions you indicated would invalidate any survey. They provide no reasonable middle ground for responses and words like "mass deportation", "racial profiling" and "restrictionist" ad hominem terms designed to excited emotions rather than reason.<BR/><BR/>Don't you think there is a better way to phrase these questions to get at the real feeling of the public? I thought my questions did that by providing more choices but I may also have used some words that suggest the desired responses. I was just trying to phrase them i such a way that there were realistic rather than unrealistic responses available.<BR/><BR/>The ideas of mass deportation and racial profiling are not reasonable ideas and would not elicit useful responses.ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-7745485678645901822008-02-10T16:50:00.000-06:002008-02-10T16:50:00.000-06:00Freedom of speech, dee? Tell that to Janet Murgu...Freedom of speech, dee? Tell that to Janet Murguia. She doesn't believe in it unless it comes from some razas mouth. It is only her opinion that Lou Dobbs and his guests spew "hate speech". There is a lot of truth in what they say. Doesn't matter anyway, we are guaranteed freedom of speech in this country. Such hypocrites on the pro side of the immigration issue. I have never seen Janet try to squelch freedom of speech for those who scream "whitey go back to Europe". Now that IS hate speech.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-22334878057838242052008-02-10T12:45:00.000-06:002008-02-10T12:45:00.000-06:00Ulty,Here are my responses to your questions:1. No...Ulty,<BR/>Here are my responses to your questions:<BR/>1. No. Legal Immigration should stay at current rate.<BR/>2.Yes to the first half. We need to bring our greatest minds together to solve the Economic crisis we are facing.<BR/>3.Yes. Secure the border with trained BP Agents.<BR/>4.No. I do not support Detention Centers and I believe we should bring the 12M out of the shadows. Those felonious criminals should be immediately deported.<BR/>5.Not amnesty. Bring the 12M out of the shadows and those felony free be registered in a Guest Worker program and be allowed, if they choose, to go to the back of the line and start the citizenship process.<BR/>6.I agree to an Immigration Visa overhaul and an improved Tracking system.<BR/>7.Deny admission of any pregnant visitors? Very odd. I suppose when Prince Harry gets married and his wife pregnant, you will deny her entry. I guess you do not believe in tourism. Or, is that only pregnant tourists from Latin countries that you oppose.<BR/>8.Jus Soli – I don´t agree to a change, however, if the Congress agrees to it at some future date, I agree to follow the law.<BR/>9.Delay the award? No. If Congress passes a bill, then we would abide by the law. This delay makes no sense.<BR/>10.I think we should have Universal Healthcare here and they should have it in Mexico, as they have it in Canada. Hospitals should be available on both sides of the border.<BR/>11.Yes. Trained Border Patrol agents with the associated technology should be available.<BR/>12.Yes. Employer Sanctions including jail time and putting them out of business especially when they exploit workers.<BR/>13.Yes. Readvertise jobs, etc.<BR/>14.Yes. Guest Worker programs and Work Permits should be available.<BR/>15.Yes. I agree to enhanced identification programs.<BR/>16.Yes. Guest Worker programs especially for AgJobs.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-31585375622306932782008-02-10T12:12:00.000-06:002008-02-10T12:12:00.000-06:00Ulty,I would ask the question straight out:1. Do y...Ulty,<BR/>I would ask the question straight out:<BR/>1. Do you advocate Mass Deportation of 12M illegal immigrants? <BR/>2. Do you support the racial profiling which occurs when restrictionist immigration laws are imposed such as in Oklahoma and Arizona? <BR/><BR/>I wonder what approval rating you would get on the real questions.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-50847402668048551122008-02-10T12:11:00.000-06:002008-02-10T12:11:00.000-06:00Ultima,Not agitating. They were expressing their v...Ultima,<BR/>Not agitating. They were expressing their views. Freedom of Speech, remember!<BR/>They were marching to voice their disagreement with the Sensennbrenner Bill.<BR/>I hope you are not advocating a military state and stopping Freedom of Speech.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-46124732054458017422008-02-10T07:36:00.000-06:002008-02-10T07:36:00.000-06:00I think the comments above are perceptive.May i as...I think the comments above are perceptive.<BR/><BR/>May i ask the pros on this board for a direct blunt answer -<BR/><BR/>If you, the pros, carefully surveyed the 12 million undocumented that are in the USA today, and asked them the following question:<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Assume there is CIR and you eventually become a US citizen. Assume that you are given the opportunity to vote for a candidate that will change the law to allow you to bring every single one of your relatives in to the USA. Will you vote for that candidate?"<BR/><BR/><BR/>I really want to know, if you survey the undocumented TODAY, how you the pros think they will answer this question.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Of course, you are welcome to argue that this question doesn't matter since they undocumented could be legalized but somehow not become citizens, or that they could be assimilated to the point that they in the future stop wanting to bring their relatives over. But pls answer the question as i asked itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-29611323936488140172008-02-09T22:16:00.000-06:002008-02-09T22:16:00.000-06:00mirror, well that is one of the biggest reasons wh...mirror, well that is one of the biggest reasons why Americans didn't want that bill as it was...chain migration. No one wanted to gamble on it being left in the bill. <BR/><BR/>As I said, rescinding bills to deter illegal immigration wouldn't happpen on a grand scale. One or two states doesn't prove anything. <BR/><BR/>Yes, McCain did win but there were numerous reasons why he did and those who were tougher on immigration didn't lose because of that. <BR/><BR/>Getting on to Ultima's post.<BR/><BR/>1. Agreed. We need to reduce the 1,000,000 currently allowed in legally every year. I think you and I agree on the reasons why.<BR/><BR/>2.I think with the SAVE ACT put into place over a 4 year period it will give our economy a soft landing.<BR/><BR/>3.Absolutely secure our borders by any means possible. <BR/><BR/>4.After the 4 year period of the implementation of the SAVE ACT, absolutely detain and deport those who refuse to leave as detected. <BR/><BR/>5.Mass amnesty? Not on your life!<BR/><BR/>6.Depends on what the visas are for and if the worker is needed. Yes, we should track visa holders and make sure they leave when they are supposed to. <BR/><BR/>7.Not necessary if we reinterpret the 14th Amendment as it should be. A child born on this soil cannot be an instant citizen unless one parent is a citizen. Costs of the birth will be passed on to the citizen parent. <BR/><BR/>8. See above.<BR/><BR/>9. Hmm, not sure about this one. If the law says the child is a citizen if one parent is a citizen then I see no reason to delay his/her citizenship.<BR/><BR/>10. Sounds like a possible plan. At any rate, the costs of the birth should be passed on to the mother's homeland. <BR/><BR/>11. Yes! Secure the borders by any means necessary including a physcial barrier such as the double fence.<BR/><BR/>12. Yes! jail/prison time for employers who hire illegals with any second violations they lose their license to do business anywhere. <BR/><BR/>13. Yup, advertise these vacated jobs to Americans at a fair wage. It is the only way we can realistically know what our foreign labor needs actually are but we still need to keep population stabilization in mind too. <BR/><BR/>14. I am all for temporary work visas for jobs Americans won't or can't do but I still believe that the illegals already here should go home and wait their turn in line first. <BR/><BR/>15. I am good for a national I.D. card.<BR/><BR/>16. Yes. We know we need legal foreign agricultural workers but also more automation should be a viable option.<BR/><BR/>I only have one thing to add to the list and that is:<BR/><BR/>17. Make English our official language as part of any immigration bill. This will encourage immigrants to learn English and assimilate and will give Americans a piece of their heritage as "official" and we won't have to print government documents in any other language than English.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-31707706975380965452008-02-09T21:40:00.000-06:002008-02-09T21:40:00.000-06:00Who says they'll become U.S. citizens with voting ...Who says they'll become U.S. citizens with voting rights if they're legalized? They could have just been given the right to live and work here with freedom to go back and forth between their countries coupled with an option of becoming a U.S. citizen if certain criteria are met.<BR/><BR/>Just an FYI: A significant number of immigrants have been forced to bring in their families, illegally, because the option to keep them over there -sending them money and visiting whenever possible-, is too expensive, risky or impossible.<BR/><BR/>Another: A significant amount of legal immigrants when given the opportunity to become a U.S. citizen do not take it; believe it or not, some do not want to die here.<BR/><BR/>What pushes the "amnesty = liberals forever" thought is the belief that their children would vote democrat, not the immigrants themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if a higher percentage of naturalized (?) U.S. citizens vote republican than Hispanic-Americans. I know Cuban-Americans vote mostly republican.<BR/><BR/>In the end most people vote for those who promise to fulfill their wishes, no matter what those wishes are.mirrorismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920074301509114901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-64987077976056369722008-02-09T21:16:00.000-06:002008-02-09T21:16:00.000-06:00Patriot, just because they had chain migration on ...Patriot, just because they had chain migration on the proposed bill doesn't mean it would be on the passed bill. The Senate and the House negotiate, give and take, they could have taken that out - we'll never know.<BR/><BR/>Some of those laws have already been rescinded, mostly because of financial reasons.<BR/><BR/>McCain wasn't the only choice, there was Romney, Paul, Thompson, etc. that didn't agree with McCain on immigration. But what happened? McCain won state after state against those guys.<BR/><BR/>Ultima, why do you say choose one? A lot of those choices can be combined...<BR/><BR/>1.) 200,000 is not a realistic number - I think it's even less than the current number.<BR/><BR/>2.) That's a good idea... It'll probably mean scrap the current system.<BR/><BR/>3.) Good idea.<BR/><BR/>4.) It's within our laws if we really want to.<BR/><BR/>5.) NOBODY wants this.<BR/><BR/>6.) This isn't realistic.<BR/><BR/>7.) Wouldn't customs agents need to be equipped with pregnancy testss? LOL, right beside their guns. Besides, this is inhumane and violates a women's right to privacy.<BR/><BR/>8.) This is an option I guess... Could get messy if no other country wishes to claim the child.<BR/><BR/>9.) I don't understand this one. Majority?<BR/><BR/>10.) Mexico would appreciate this..<BR/><BR/>11.) Good idea.<BR/><BR/>12.) There would probably have to be limits for this... Wouldn't want John Doe arrested because he hired someone from Home Depot to mow his lawn. But those at Tyson Farms and the like? Yes.<BR/><BR/>13.) Isn't that what they define minimum wage as?<BR/><BR/>14.) This is much better than #5.<BR/><BR/>15.) A little too Big Brother for me, but it seems to be on its way for everyone.<BR/><BR/>16.) Where we can all agree on; we don't want to pick our own fruits and vegetables.mirrorismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920074301509114901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-38124616434570234252008-02-09T21:02:00.000-06:002008-02-09T21:02:00.000-06:00I have a question for the pros on this board.If yo...I have a question for the pros on this board.<BR/><BR/>If you, the pros, carefully surveyed the 12 million undocumented that are in the USA today, and asked them the following question:<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Assume there is CIR and you eventually become a US citizen. Assume that you are given the opportunity to vote for a candidate that will change the law to allow you to bring every single one of your relatives in to the USA. Will you vote for that candidate?"<BR/><BR/>I will stick my neck out and predict that almost all the people who are undocumented and are in the USA will vote for such a candidate<BR/><BR/>I guess i would ask all the folks on this board - am i accurate in my prediction here ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-81737849809615018572008-02-09T20:59:00.000-06:002008-02-09T20:59:00.000-06:00Ulty, your effort is noble you have the best wishe...Ulty, <BR/><BR/>your effort is noble <BR/>you have the best wishes of every honest person in your efforts to seek the truth.<BR/><BR/><BR/>By the way, the issue of unskilled immigration is *not* only about latin americans. Anyone, pro, anti or in between that makes it out to be all about latin america is a little misguided. <BR/><BR/>There are actually plenty of groups of immigrants to the USA that do worse - much worse - in the USA than folks from latin america. <BR/><BR/>For example, the hmong have been in america for 30 years and on all measures of social problems are doing worse than folks from latin america. <BR/><BR/>This isn't a latin american issue. It is an issue that applies more broadlyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-57775482588392077552008-02-09T18:49:00.000-06:002008-02-09T18:49:00.000-06:00On increased legal immigration:The U.S. admits mor...On increased legal immigration:<BR/><BR/>The U.S. admits more than a million legal immigrants each year. As a consequence of those legal immigrants, the illegal aliens, their progeny and their higher fertility rates the U.S. population will double again by the end of this century. One obvious result of this will be a decline in the amount finite natural resources that will be available to everyone on a per capita basis. Based on this which of the following choices would you favor:<BR/><BR/>1. Stabilize our population by reducing legal immigration to no more than 200,000 per year.<BR/>2. Study how to bring our economy into a soft landing with a stable population.<BR/>3. Secure the borders.<BR/>4. Identify, apprehend, detain and deport on a gradual systematic basis illegal aliens in our midst.<BR/>5. Grant amnesty, defined as mass legalization of all illegal aliens in this country.<BR/>6. Reduce the number of different kinds of visas and develop a system for tracking and deporting visa overstays.<BR/>7. Deny admission to the U.S. of any foreign women who are pregnant.<BR/>8. Require for birthright citizenship that at least one parent be a U.S. citizen.<BR/>9. Delay the award of birthright citizenship until the child reaches his or her majority.<BR/>10. Establish a string of obstetrical and triage hospitals on the other side of the borders and transport any patients who arrive at the border to one of these hospital with joint construction funding by the U.S. and its neighbors and staffing by the country involved.<BR/>11. Rapid improvements in border infrastructure and roads to facilitate apprehension of border violators.<BR/>12. Jail time for employers who hire knowingly or unknowingly illegal aliens.<BR/>13. Re-advertise all jobs held by illegal aliens to determine which can be filled with citizen labor if offered a living wage as determined by local unions and the Dept. of Labor.<BR/>14. Grant a temporary work permit to illegals who survive the re-advertising process and who can pass a medical exam and background check.<BR/>15. Require a biometric ID card from everyone who enters the U.S. and anyone who seeks employment.<BR/>16. Provide for temporary migrant farm workers.<BR/><BR/>Did I cover the waterfront?ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-1997382408270607392008-02-09T18:33:00.000-06:002008-02-09T18:33:00.000-06:00On chain immigrations how would you like the follo...On chain immigrations how would you like the following question and multiple choice answers?<BR/><BR/>Chain immigration is generally understood to be a procedure by which immigrants can by-pass the usual immigration rules to bring in a host of immediate relative once they themselves have secure legal status.<BR/>Which one of the following would you favor?<BR/><BR/>1. End all chain immigrations.<BR/>2. Allow chain immigrations to continue under the present rules regardless of the numbers involved.<BR/>3. Require immigrant applicants to specify in advance the family members they wish to have considered for chain immigration.<BR/>4. Require families to apply as a unit or group so the total number can be considered against the overall quota.ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-69770310800671901562008-02-09T18:28:00.000-06:002008-02-09T18:28:00.000-06:00"The questions are always swayed or biased."I agre..."The questions are always swayed or biased."<BR/><BR/>I agree that they either are biased or totally inadequate in the choices given. What unbiased questions would you specifically ask to elicit a reliable and adequate response?ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.com