tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post9812739450457011..comments2024-01-04T07:05:27.381-06:00Comments on Immigration Talk with a Mexican American: BREAKING NEWS: AGRIPROCESSOR´S EMPLOYERS FINALLY CHARGED!!!!Deehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-89020327114936392512008-09-13T20:14:00.000-05:002008-09-13T20:14:00.000-05:00Again, those owners/employers are not all white an...Again, those owners/employers are not all white anglos. I would be willing to bet that a good majority of them are Jews.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-72706540128332139952008-09-13T19:21:00.000-05:002008-09-13T19:21:00.000-05:00While I understand that this may be a deterrent, m...While I understand that this may be a deterrent, my bet will be that it will serve as a minor deterrent. <BR/><BR/>All one has to do is look at those that still commit: murder, forgery, fraud, identity theft, robbery, child abuse, rape, assault, etc. <BR/><BR/>If the level of intelligence in the US continues to fall, people will increasingly not care about the consequences of their actions until it is too late.<BR/><BR/>Again more examples: ENRON, the dot bomb, current housing "crisis", inflation....<BR/>These are all things that people gambled on, and now they have to pay up. But they still continue to smash their toes with a hammer and then complain about the pain. <BR/><BR/>People will continue to serve their immediate <I>wants</I> over their long term <I>needs</I>. <BR/><BR/>I believe there is no crisis. After all, iPods, Playstations, Wii's, and other consumer product sales are still going strong. It seems that the whole scenario is made up, or people are still filling their short term wants, ignoring their responsibility....https://www.blogger.com/profile/04308481390438662506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-74149819109497220702008-09-13T06:51:00.000-05:002008-09-13T06:51:00.000-05:00Arizonan - in the case of howard industries it is ...Arizonan - <BR/><BR/>in the case of howard industries it is wealthy white anglos. You understand my point. <BR/><BR/>Here is the tv commercial i am envisioning - the swat team marches in to the fancy country club, finds a few wealthy white anglo immigration law violators, handcuffs them and marches them out.<BR/><BR/>Cut to a big nasty looking prison - the wealthy white anglo is locked in his cell with a huge beefy violent type that obviously intends to do violent things to him<BR/><BR/>fade to the message <BR/><BR/>"if you exploit undocumented workers, be sure you are ready to pay the price"<BR/><BR/>fade out <BR/><BR/><BR/>Arizonan, please understand that this would work. And please understand that this is the only thing that will workAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-88909203762507674572008-09-13T00:44:00.000-05:002008-09-13T00:44:00.000-05:00Anonymous said... Uh - so what ? the big bos...<I>Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/> Uh -<BR/><BR/> so what ? the big bosses are wealthy white anglos.<BR/><BR/> The wealthy anglo bosses need to go to prison so they can be sodomized by big beefy cellmates</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, they are wealthy <I>middle eastern</I> bosses......https://www.blogger.com/profile/04308481390438662506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-17857538610526991052008-09-12T20:19:00.000-05:002008-09-12T20:19:00.000-05:00Uh - so what ? the big bosses are wealthy white an...Uh - <BR/><BR/>so what ? the big bosses are wealthy white anglos. <BR/><BR/>The wealthy anglo bosses need to go to prison so they can be sodomized by big beefy cellmates <BR/><BR/>When the other big wealthy anglos read in barrons and the wall street journal about wealthy white anglos getting what they are getting in prison, it will cause them to stop recruiting undocumented workers from mexico.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-37496682174980976132008-09-12T07:48:00.000-05:002008-09-12T07:48:00.000-05:00Many of the these HR/supervisors, etc. caught up i...Many of the these HR/supervisors, etc. caught up in these raids were Hispanics themselves. I would be willing to bet that nationwide there are more Hispanic citizens hiring illegal aliens in their businesses than anglos!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-12687706817438475812008-09-12T07:44:00.000-05:002008-09-12T07:44:00.000-05:00That is a flat out lie, dee. I posted many artic...That is a flat out lie, dee. I posted many articles for you whereby wealthy anglo employers were fined and or jailed. Why are you making it a race issue about the employer now? What difference does it make what ethnic group an employer is from who is hiring illegal aliens? They should all be prosecuted!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-58751597511520478292008-09-11T20:19:00.000-05:002008-09-11T20:19:00.000-05:00Bingo, you have ALL nailed it. To date we have not...Bingo, you have ALL nailed it. To date we have not seen a significant number of wealthy Anglo employers charged much less imprisoned. The law in AZ went into effect the beginning of last year. The law in OK went into effect mid last year. Yet, not wealthy Anglo employers are imprisoned (charged or found guilty). Yet countless workers were raided by ICE of Arpaio. None of it makes sense!! Why have these laws!!<BR/><BR/>Arizonian said:<BR/>The law is quickly becoming a lame duck. It seems to be loosely enforced already, with only one company I have heard of being prosecuted under the law. <BR/><BR/>Alie said:<BR/>And yet, Agriprocessors are not "wealthy Anglos," are they?<BR/><BR/>Anon said:<BR/>I speak to people in Arizona - i think the reason the law in Arizona is so popular among moderate middle of the road people is that it BALANCES some very harsh treatment of the illegals with very harsh treatment of employers. Businesses get the death sentence after two violations.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-52423742586921794252008-09-11T16:26:00.000-05:002008-09-11T16:26:00.000-05:00What about all those businesses run by Hispanics m...What about all those businesses run by Hispanics mostly small and family owned? You know damn well they are employing their illegal amigos. Bet the pro-illegals like dee wouldn't be screaming so loud for justice if they were raided and the employer got off scott free.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-80463495920702717472008-09-11T13:02:00.000-05:002008-09-11T13:02:00.000-05:00And yet, Agriprocessors are not "wealthy Anglos," ...<I>And yet, Agriprocessors are not "wealthy Anglos," are they?</I><BR/><BR/>Allie has a point. The Rubashkins are technically Middle-eastern, are they not?.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04308481390438662506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-43925371729153358812008-09-11T12:59:00.000-05:002008-09-11T12:59:00.000-05:00I speak to people in Arizona - i think the reason ...<I><BR/>I speak to people in Arizona - i think the reason the law in Arizona is so popular among moderate middle of the road people is that it BALANCES some very harsh treatment of the illegals with very harsh treatment of employers. Businesses get the death sentence after two violations.</I><BR/><BR/>I'll let you guess were I live....<BR/><BR/>As far as the law is concerned, it does have it's supports, and opponents.<BR/><BR/>I support the law as it is written. I believe that this further enhances laws already on the books regarding hiring those that are ineligible to work here legally.<BR/> <BR/>The law is quickly becoming a lame duck. It seems to be loosely enforced already, with only one company I have heard of being prosecuted under the law. <BR/><BR/>There should be literally hundreds of companies here under indictment. <BR/><BR/>Laws are great, but without people actually reporting violations (which there are plenty) and people there to enforce them (which there are few), the law becomes just pretty words on a piece of paper..https://www.blogger.com/profile/04308481390438662506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-66097685871095481622008-09-11T09:48:00.000-05:002008-09-11T09:48:00.000-05:00And yet, Agriprocessors are not "wealthy Anglos," ...And yet, Agriprocessors are not "wealthy Anglos," are they? <BR/><BR/>The point is to punish those who hire illegals, and they are not limited to one ethnic/racial group. How many wealthy legal Hispanics are exploiting poor illegals from any ethnic background?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-20742837523484977772008-09-10T19:14:00.000-05:002008-09-10T19:14:00.000-05:00Let me say that prison may NOT be a deterrent for ...Let me say that prison may NOT be a deterrent for many career criminals who feel they have nothing to lose by going to prison.<BR/><BR/>The US is a hellish darwinian place for those who lack education and skills - for those whose only option is minimum wage vs prison prison may not be a deterrent <BR/><BR/>however, for the high paid professionals, those with household incomes over $100k per year who typically hire illegal nannies, prison is a deterrent.<BR/><BR/>I believe that putting a few of those folks in to prison for a year or two and making sure that there was adequate publicity for such prison sentences would certainly lead other high income professionals to hire legal nannies instead of illegal ones.<BR/><BR/>At the end of the day this debate is about fairness. If plenty of affluent white people were going to prison, and the sight of these affluent white folks going to prison was visible on TV each day, then deportation of the undocumented would strike everyone as fair <BR/><BR/>Antis that hope to rally the country around deporting the illegals are kidding themselves. Then innate sense of fairness of this country won't allow that to happen unless there are affluent anglos going to prison. <BR/><BR/>I think the antis are not happy to hear this since they know that they don't have the political power to get affluent anglos put in to prison<BR/><BR/><BR/>I speak to people in Arizona - i think the reason the law in Arizona is so popular among moderate middle of the road people is that it BALANCES some very harsh treatment of the illegals with very harsh treatment of employers. Businesses get the death sentence after two violations.<BR/><BR/>if the antis can't produce a law that visibly and painfully punishes wealthy anglos who break the law, they just aren't going to get what they want.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-67847363969108809422008-09-10T16:56:00.000-05:002008-09-10T16:56:00.000-05:00I didn't say prison was not an option. The problem...I didn't say prison was not an option. The problem with an Incorporation/Corporation is who is the owner?? It is its own entity, ran by officers. Who would be held accountable?? Look to the Corporate Protection Laws.<BR/><BR/>Smaller businesses which are not Incorporation's/Corporations do have an obvious owner, and in most cases is running the company and making decisions. These guys if caught usually are jailed and fined by the Federal Government and/or State. Charges are easier to make stick in this instance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-57059730524333213112008-09-10T16:45:00.000-05:002008-09-10T16:45:00.000-05:00I don't think any sane person objects to the emplo...I don't think any sane person objects to the employers (owners, managers, supervisors and HR personnel) being fined and imprisoned for knowlingly hiring illegal aliens. In fact that is what they would desire as part of ridding ourselves of illegal aliens and making businesses comply with our labor and immigration laws. E-verify should be implemented nationwide and a national I.D. card for all citizens should have to be presented as part of the hiring package.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-35484038232011579792008-09-10T16:34:00.000-05:002008-09-10T16:34:00.000-05:00Liquid,If prison is NOT an option then this would ...Liquid,<BR/>If prison is NOT an option then this would work. Same for Billy Howard and ALL exploiting employers!<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Liquidmicro said... <BR/>Loss of the kosher guarantee, and allowing the plant to go out of business would be perfect.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-64139325681334336502008-09-10T14:06:00.000-05:002008-09-10T14:06:00.000-05:00I think the state will have a hard time getting an...I think the state will have a hard time getting any charges to stick against Abraham Aaron Rubashkin simply because he was not in charge of the plant and had very little input into it.<BR/><BR/>Former plant manager Sholom Rubashkin; human resources manager Elizabeth Billmeyer; and Laura Althouse and Karina Freund, management employees in the company's human resources division will probably be held accountable.<BR/><BR/>Satisfactions.... years in jail, problem is charges are only misdemeanors, limiting the years in jail. All should be fined accordingly, to include the plant as an Incorporation, which will effect AA Rubashkins profits. <BR/><BR/>Loss of the kosher guarantee, and allowing the plant to go out of business would be perfect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-88379828580003883552008-09-10T13:57:00.000-05:002008-09-10T13:57:00.000-05:00Implement e-verify and make it mandatory for the e...Implement e-verify and make it mandatory for the employers to use it in their hiring practices. This will stop them and the illegals from circumventing our labor and immigration laws. If crime is prevented then there will be no reason for punishment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-12627521919412083452008-09-10T12:35:00.000-05:002008-09-10T12:35:00.000-05:00I am a big believer in the deterrent effect of pri...<I>I am a big believer in the deterrent effect of prison</I><BR/><BR/>Prison are not a deterrent. I wish they were, but they are not. A brief look at crime rates will indicate this. The US has 2.3 million people in the prison system, not including local jails are detention centers. <BR/><BR/>Fear of pain or death is a far better deterrent..https://www.blogger.com/profile/04308481390438662506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-71036070370732820982008-09-10T12:31:00.000-05:002008-09-10T12:31:00.000-05:00Anon,I agree with you. The key to finally achievin...Anon,<BR/>I agree with you. <BR/>The key to finally achieving immigration reform is sanctioning and imprisoning the employers.<BR/>If this were to happen, we would be forced to fix the broken immigration processes, the quid pro quo of immigration green card abuses, and people could come in legitimately and legally. <BR/><BR/>The problem is, there never will be serious employer sanctions. This charge is but a token and I doubt the Rubashkins will ever be in prison. I want them to learn an lesson and be treated as an example, but I am not holding my breath.<BR/><BR/>Also, you must realize everyone knows someone who hires illegal immigrants. It might be your neighbor. It might be the guy who hires the guy who mows your or your neighbors lawns. It might be the guy you hire whose workers fix your roof or plumbing. Why do you think those Day Labor sites are full? You would have to arrest three quarters of the farmers in the country. This also includes most of the meat packing plants, construction companies, builders, manufacturing companies and all who hire the 12 - 15M here. (We are talking the size of the state of New York)Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-11230193096434709432008-09-10T11:56:00.000-05:002008-09-10T11:56:00.000-05:00Dee, I have to say that one month in prison is not...Dee, I have to say that one month in prison is not enough time for the Rubashkins. I'd like to see them serve years and years in prison. And i'd like to see photos of them in prison posted to the internet daily - to serve as a warning to other employers who hire illegals.<BR/><BR/>I am a big believer in the deterrent effect of prison. <BR/><BR/>I'd also like to see the professional families (of all races) that hire undocumented nannies put in to prison as well - to deter other families from hiring the undocumented<BR/><BR/>I suspect that few of the antis on this site support my point of view. And few of the "pros" on this site support my view.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-34818394478664997062008-09-10T11:31:00.000-05:002008-09-10T11:31:00.000-05:00Liquid,Do you think the charges will hold up?You a...Liquid,<BR/>Do you think the charges will hold up?<BR/><BR/>You always ask what will satisfy me.<BR/><BR/>In this case, I want the Rubashkins to pay appropriate fines (millions) and I also want the Rubaskins put in Prison for one month. Since they are from New York, Rikers Prison would be appropriate. One month is brief, but it should teach them a lesson for their exploitation of the system and of workers. <BR/><BR/>The workers have been in prison or Detention since May. One month in Prison is NOT a lot of time but it would teach them a lesson.<BR/><BR/>I say the same should happen to Billy Howard. Prison Time and Millions in Fines!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09583438645860375661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-87567680885492157252008-09-10T09:31:00.000-05:002008-09-10T09:31:00.000-05:00I hope those employers are punished to the full ex...I hope those employers are punished to the full extent of the law.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5548695401579410439.post-19565900663049198232008-09-09T19:43:00.000-05:002008-09-09T19:43:00.000-05:00Make note that it is the 'State' filing the charge...Make note that it is the 'State' filing the charges and not the Federal Government. It's child labor law violations they are being charged with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com