BREAKING NEWS: FBI arrests Minuteman White Supremacist for arson (article from Craigs List)2007-10-24, 6:17PM PDT
FBI just announced they arrested John Alfred Rund, 48, for arson in just one of the fires in Los Angeles. Rund is a known member of the National Socialist Movement and the Minutemen, both known terrorist organizations. The FBI also announced they are looking for multiple arsonist suspects in what is being called the largest terrorist plot to hit California to date. The fires have caused the destruction of at least 1400 homes and so far 3 billion dollars in damages.
The originator of the article is not identified. "...the Minutemen, both known terrorist organizations" is patently wrong. No one condones the actions of extremists no matter what banner or label they act under or what organization they belong to. The vast majority of Minutemen are law-abiding citizens, something that cannot be said about the illegal aliens. I hope they fry this guy. He gives a good movement a bad name.
ReplyDeleteUlty, I find it interesting that you call this guy a "lone wacko." When Schwilk or Simcox, well known MM Leaders, screw up, they are individual cases, but if 1 of the 12M has a DUI, they are ALL Guilty. ANTI sites do this all the time.
ReplyDeleteRund is a Minuteman. Early reports are saying the MMs are the terrorists responsible. I guess they didn´t like "Mexifornia." They are terrorists!!
A Craigslist Ad, come on Dee, nothing like being PATHETIC on your behalf.
ReplyDeleteAnother article on the Minuteman Arsonist
ReplyDeleteRund
Another article on the Arsonist Minuteman RundArson Article
ReplyDeleteSix illegal immigrants arrested at Qualcomm
ReplyDeleteArticle on 'Illegal Immigrants' STEALING from victims!!
"He has not been connected in any way so far with any fire up on the hill," Miller said. "We don't know at this point what started that fire."
ReplyDeleteNONE of your articles state he is a Minuteman or White Supremest, only your CRAIGSLIST ad does. If you are going to believe anything, at least link to credible information, otherwise I have a bridge to sell to you at a fair price!!
ReplyDeleteTry using a reliable news source.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.knbc.com/news/2589782/detail.html
Dikran Armouchian, 23, of Pasadena, made comments about the fire he had started
I've read the name is Armenian. They have muslims in that country?
Damn Dee!!! Awesome scoop. I'm wondering how this will pan out. Hopefully we'll keep hearing more about it.
ReplyDeleteAWESOME WORK DEE. This blog is the best!
keep it up!!!
Please link to these EARLIER reports stating the MM's started fires or that Rund is a MM or a WS.
ReplyDeleteHere's a news article you should post on your blog. ILLEGALS ARRESTED FOR STEALING 'FOOD AND WATER' AT EVACUATION CENTER...
ReplyDeleteAnd before you say it is from a biased news source --> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/breakingnews/2007/10/six-undocumente.html
The LAtino Times. Leftwing news rag LA Times.
If they had been deported they would'nt of been there to committ those crimes.
ReplyDeleteSly,
ReplyDeleteYour article about the Armouchian is from 2003.
That is over 4 years old!!
I am continuing to complete my research on Rund. I have found a few documents and I will post them as I continue. For now, I hear he is in a Detention Center.
ReplyDeleteI am sure the MM sites are busy deleting his name from their rosters.
I need to find the name of the arsonist from AZ who was shot and killed by the police. If anyone has that please email me. dee_perezscott@yahoo.com
Leave it to dee to take the actions of one to demonize a whole organization. What if the headlines were "Hispanic arsonist starts fires, who incidently was also a member of the NCLR?" See what we mean, dee?
ReplyDeleteNot anywheres near all who are opposed to illegal immigration think that all illegal aliens are drunk drivers either. Again you are stereotyping our whole movement.
What say you about the Qualcom Stadium incident, dee?
More on
ReplyDeleteMinuteman Rund
Some various websites belonging to Minuteman Rund for those doing research or writing articles about this
ReplyDeleteRund My Space
Rund 1Up page AKA Johnny Video
CA Fire Map
ReplyDeleteNotice 5, 6, 7 and 8 are right by Rund´s home.
John Alfred Rund, 48, of Hesperia is being held on $750,000 bail on suspicion of arson and is to appear in court tomorrow in Victorville.
ReplyDeleteHopefully the MMs won´t eliminate him and any evidence prior to trial.
Court Date Set
Rund Police Report
ReplyDeleteNone of those articles state anywhere at all in them that Rund is a MM or WS. Unless you have something proving he is a MM or WS, you are doing nothing more than slandering this firebug and trying to propagate some connection with an organization that you don't agree with.
ReplyDeleteStill have the smell of bull sh!t in your house, Dee, do something to clean it up.
Sounds like you are DeeNial Liquid.
ReplyDeleteI am just posting what is on the web.
MM John Rund looks guilty.
Dee said...
ReplyDeleteUlty, I find it interesting that you call this guy a "lone wacko." When Schwilk or Simcox, well known MM Leaders, screw up, they are individual cases, but if 1 of the 12M has a DUI, they are ALL Guilty. ANTI sites do this all the time.
Rund is a Minuteman. Early reports are saying the MMs are the terrorists responsible. I guess they didn´t like "Mexifornia." They are terrorists!!
October 25, 2007 9:06 AM
Please Dee, show me where Rund is a MM or WS. There are NO REPORTS, I repeat NO REPORTS at all on any site other than your and this Craigslist ad that states Rund is a MM and WS. I suggest you remove your slanderous remarks and apologize for your misconstrued remarks and statements. It seems to be the thing to do as of late for you Liberals, all of them are doing it in the Senate, what makes you any different?
BTW Liquid,
ReplyDeleteHere is the REAL story our US Media is NOT reporting about the
"illegals arrested"
So the FACTS are, the MM Arsonists burn out what they term "Mexifornia" and those they burn out who may not be in current legal status are getting deported.
That must be what the MMs are trying to accomplish.
The FACTS are a Spanish speaking interview with 'Illegal Immigrant' parents that have 'Anchor Babies' who's cousins were here in the USA 'Illegally', got deported because of their status. Why doesn't the Mexican Consulate then help the 'Illegal Immigrants'? Why are they getting things that are reserved for American Citizens? They have been here 15 years and don't speak English? Why is that?
ReplyDeleteKeep repeating your lies about Rund with no proof. Thats real intelligent on your behalf, Dee.
See how you did that Liquid? I show you facts. I show you there was no stealing, documented, reported on tapes. You see it yourself. Yet no apologies for those wrongfully accused.
ReplyDeleteI report actual reports from various websites. These are documented and much more will come out. This arsonist has plenty of evidence against him and witnesses.
My, my my. We are exposing yourself Dear Liquid.
Sorry Dee, I wear pants under my Trench Coat. You get nothing to OOGLE at.
ReplyDeleteI just did what you did with your claiming Rund to be a MM and WS.
The arsonist has one witness against him, still all speculation until proven guilty, remember the LAW Dee, INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty.
Dee you haven't posted one real report about Rund being a member MM. To cover up the fact you try to turn the tables and accuse others of covering up something else. Typical liberal response.
ReplyDeleteDee said...
ReplyDeleteI report actual reports from various websites. These are documented and much more will come out. This arsonist has plenty of evidence against him and witnesses.
Is that what you are claiming the post from Craigslist as??!! An actual REPORT that is documented?? You make this to easy, Dee.
I will have actual corroboration from a former minuteman in CA soon.
ReplyDeleteI googled "John Rund" and "John Alfred Rund" with "minutemen" and "minuteman", and the only sources I can find that link this man with the minutemen is the craigslist post that cites no sources and your blog who's only source is that craigslist post. If any substantive proof about the Minutemen connection comes out, then as Tony said above, this is an awesome scoop. You will have beat out all sources indexed by Google save for the craigslist post.
ReplyDeleteMore Rund News:
ReplyDeleteAfter further investigation, 48-year-old John Alfred Rund of Hesperia was arrested for arson.
Rund has an arrest record, which includes a conviction on July 7, 2003, for inflicting corporal injury on a spouse, criminal threats and disturbing the peace. On September 29, 2005, Rund was convicted of possession of a controlled substance, and was cited for minor vehicle code violations on January 15, 2000.
The San Bernardino County Sheriff's Bomb/Arson Detail and the San Bernardino County Fire Department will be conducting an arson investigation. The investigation is ongoing and it is unknown if Rund is connected to any other fire in San Bernardino County, as the cause of those fires has not been determined.
When San Bernardino County Supervisor Dennis Hansberger received the news of the arrest, he said, “I am heartened to hear of the arrest and pleased we are remaining diligent to bring about safety in our county.”
Arsonist Arrested
Currenlty I have Rund´s YouTube screen name.
ReplyDeleteAm awaiting former minuteperson to confirm the minuteman roster with Rund´s name.
The other arsonist, shot and killed by police, may be another minuteman. More to come.
ReplyDeleteArizona man killed while fleeing Ca. police identified
01:59 PM MST on Thursday, October 25, 2007
Associated Press
PHOENIX (AP) -- A California coroner has identified an Arizona man who was shot and killed by police after they chased him because they thought he was a possible arsonist.
The San Bernardino County coroner said the man was Russell Lane Daves, 27, of Topock, a small town along the Arizona-California border in Mohave County.
Daves was shot Tuesday night following a chase that ended when he backed his car into a police cruiser and an officer opened fire.
The chase started after campus security officers at California State University, San Bernardino, found Daves inside a car in a brushy area near campus. Police said the officers were concerned and wanted to make sure he wasn't trying to start a fire. When they approached, he drove off.
Daves was arrested by Mohave County sheriff's deputies last month on a misdemeanor charge of domestic violence in a case that involved his 2-year-old son, sheriff's spokeswoman Trish Carter said.
Please notice that Topock AZ is right down the street from Rund´s ]San Bernardino area CA home. Just down 40.
ReplyDeleteTopock AZ
You have a John Rund you tube screen name, however there are 13 John Runds in the USA, which one is it that you have the you tube name for?
ReplyDeleteWhitePages.com
How are you so sure that the John Rund who has been detained is the you tube Johnny Video?
You need to revamp your research practices and better educate yourself, before making such outlandish statements as FACT.
Uuuh, Ulty,
ReplyDeleteThe one from Hesperia CA who is 48.
For Russ Daves, the one from Potock AZ who is 27.
ReplyDeleteRuss Daves Myspace
Male
ReplyDelete27 years old
Topock, Arizona
United States
The FBI is in on the investigation for the MMs. More to come.
ReplyDeleteOrange County officials, meanwhile, converged on a remote area of bone-dry brush where a 19,200-acre wildfire has destroyed nine homes. They were aided by special teams from the FBI and federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. The federal government planned to send more agents from around the country to help with the probe.
Investigators taped off an area they called a crime scene, took photos, collected evidence and recorded map coordinates, according to ATF Special Agent Susan Raichel. Authorities believe the fire was deliberately set because they found three different ignition points within a short distance – a common sign of arson.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20071025-0356-wst-californiawildfires-arson.html
One more arsonist
ReplyDeleteIn the third incident, a man was arrested on suspicion of arson Tuesday after someone reported he tried to set the grass on fire at a Rancho Cucamonga park.
Anthony Joseph Riperti was booked into county jail. Bail was set at $250,000. Authorities said that they don't believe he is connected to any of the large fires burning in Southern California.
San Bernardino County sheriff's Sgt. Rick Ells said deputies responded to the park near Archibald Avenue and 6th Street just before 8 p.m. and found a small fire on the grass barely smoldering. It was easily extinguished.
Riperti, 45, was arrested nearby and identified as the fire starter by a witness, Ells said.
All very suspicious.
If you had stated these arsonists where members of ELF or ALF you would have made more of an argument, still there is no evidence that either of the 2 you are claiming to be MM's or WS's, are in fact truly MM's or WS's.
ReplyDeleteThere is no defining information on the 1up page of Johnny Video, anybody could have created that page and put the Hesperia info on there. You still lack any damning information/evidence on Rund about anything other than a possible witness in one of the articles about seeing him near a fire, squating down along side the road.
ReplyDeleteThe good news is the FBI is on the case and all will be posted soon.
ReplyDeleteI saw the interview by Univision of these illegal aliens accused of stealing supplies from Qualcom stadium. Univision, now theres are real unbiased source, lol.
ReplyDelete12 million illegal aliens in this country breaking our laws but dee says nothing about them but instead she chooses to bring up a half dozen MM who may or may not have broken the law.
What do we need the FBI for dee, when we have you already trying and convicting anyone opposed to illegal immigration as being racist?
ReplyDeleteIt wasn't the Minutemen, it was God.
ReplyDeleteAfter the Mayor from San Diego annouced he will not veto gay marriages.
Made God mad. Lightning stuck a tree to start a fire.
Burn Baby Burn.
Very Interesting. All the ANTIs trying to minimize and downplay the facts on this issue.
ReplyDeleteVery Interesting.
Not to worry. The FBI will expose the Truth!!
Here you go dee. Are these suspects with Hispanic surnames, MM too?
ReplyDelete2 more arson arrests in Southern California
Thursday, October 25, 2007
(10-25) 13:40 PDT Vista, Calif. (AP) --
Link
Two more people have been booked for investigation of arson in Southern California.
Authorities say an adult and a juvenile were arrested after they started a small brush fire Tuesday night in the San Diego suburb of Vista.
The fire burned about 200 square feet before firefighters put it out.
The adult was identified as Gorgonio Nava. The other was not identified because he is a juvenile.
At least four people have been arrested for investigation of arson since the wildfires broke out over the weekend. None of the suspects has been connected to any of the major blazes.
How about this one?
Man accused of trying to spark a fire in Woodland Hills
Daily News
Article Last Updated: 10/25/2007 01:01:01 PM PDT
Woodland HILLS - As wildfires ripped through Southern California, a 41-year-old Sun Valley man was arrested on su****ion of arson after quick-thinking Woodland Hills residents allegedly saw him lighting a fire and called 911, police said this morning.
Woodland Hills residents saw a man lighting a fire then walking away about 4:30 yesterday on a hillside near Del Valle Street and Ponce Avenue. After calling police, the residents followed him to a restaurant and waited for police to arrive.
Police booked Catalino Pineda, a day laborer from Sun Valley, into the Los Angeles County Jail where he was being held on an arson charge. Bail was set at $75,000.
Pineda is a native of Guatemala. He is currently on probation for making excessive false emergency reports to law enforcement, police said.
Dee said...
ReplyDeleteVery Interesting. All the ANTIs trying to minimize and downplay the facts on this issue.
Very Interesting.
Not to worry. The FBI will expose the Truth!!
Does that mean you are going to apologize when all is said and done, when the truth of your phony FACTS come out to be made up by you?
Pat, I find it very interesting when you get your info from alipac. Alipac has not posted anything about all of the arrested until they have a possible hispanic surname. Of course the surname could also be American or Italian or other ethnicity. Who knows. Maybe another MM. We will see.
ReplyDeleteYour header says truth. It and you lie. You throw out insubstantiated allegations as if it was fact and then discount fact as biased when confronted with it.
ReplyDeleteThis is my last post here. I'm deleting the link. Your not worth my time.
Rick Sanchez just reported there were 4 charred bodies of illegal immigrants found.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if this is one of the root causes for the Minutemen arsons.
More on Rund
ReplyDeleteAccording to police, a man named John Alfred Rund was seen just south of Arrowhead Lake Road. Sheriff’s officials say he had just started a fire along the flat, isolated, scrubby road and witnesses said he took off on a Honda motorcycle, wearing a red and white striped helmet. A CHP helicopter, using infrared equipment, caught sight of Rund on his motorcycle and radioed to CHP officers and sheriff’s deputies. They found and arrested him at a home along Highway 173 near Highway 138. Rund is being held on $750,000 bail on suspicion of arson and is to appear in court tomorrow in Victorville.
More
ReplyDeleteToday, Oct. 25, the San Bernardino County District Attorney's Office filed one count of PC 451(c) Arson of Forest Land; one count of PC 454, Arson During a State of Emergency per Government Code 8625; and, one count of PC 453(a), Possession of Flammable Material or an Incendiary Device against John Alfred Rund, 48, of Hesperia. The PC 454 count increases the penalty from a potential of 2-4-6 to 5-7-9 years in prison.
Bail was set at $750,000. Rund will be arraigned today in Department 8 in the Victorville courthouse at 1:30 p.m.
Today, Oct. 25, the San Bernardino County District Attorney's Office filed one count of PC 451(c) Arson of Forest Land and one count of PC 454, Arson During a State of Emergency per Government Code 8625 against Anthony Riperti, 47, of Redlands. The PC 454 count increases the penalty from a potential of 2-4-6 to 5-7-9 years in prison.
dee, I didn't get my information from ALIPAC, it was from legitimate new's sources.
ReplyDeleteYou say we anti's always jump on the band wagon when a crime is committed by someone with a Hispanic surname, especially if they are here illegally.
Aren't you guilty of the same thing. You always post negative articles about those with an anglo surname, especially those whom you think are members of the MM. Touche!
See how you are, dee? I heard that same thing. That charred bodies in the canyons were found where many migrants live. You immediately suspect the MM rather than using common sense that anyone living in those canyons would be in danger just because there was a fire in all those San Diego areas including the canyons. You definately show your biased agenda, dee.
ReplyDeleteMore on John Rund, plus his picture.
ReplyDelete2nd man charged in court: Anthony Joseph Riperti
Two Men Charges with Arson
"if 1 of the 12M has a DUI, they are ALL Guilty. ANTI sites do this all the time."
ReplyDeleteI don't. I thought we put that idea to bed a long time ago. Obviously, one DUI doesn't apply to others who are sober when they drive. I think the point of whatever anti sites you are referring to is two fold: one they are after all illegal to begin with and if some of them commit other crimes while here illegally, that is a second reason for expelling them. Look at the photos of the most wanted in our largest cities and you will see plenty of Hispanic faces, folks that we could do better without.
Other than their border violations, are they all guilty of other crimes? Of course not!
If a dozen commit crimes, does that make all the rest guilty of the same crimes or of condoning those crimes? Of course not!
This applies to all groups of people or organizations whether they be Minutemen, MEChA, La Raza, the Mafia or La Hermandad de la Raza. It depends primarily on the organizations charter or by-laws. We know what that is for MEChA for example.
You won't find anything in the charter of the Minutemen that suggests violence, arson, or any other crimes or seditious intent.
I guess if they didn't like what was happening in California then in contrast you must like Mexifornia and approve of what is happening there and can't wait for it to happen to the rest of Mexico Norte.
The reports I saw on NBC news did not identify the culprits in any way. You can be sure of one thing whoever did this, if they did it, probably did it on their own without any organizational plan or endorsement.
So I guess what you are saying is a few wackos on either side is sufficient to condemn them all whether they are illegal DUIs or whatever.
Some very odd happenings with these arsonists. A number of California bloggers are talking about them. Here is a most
ReplyDeleteInteresting Forum
Apparently Rund, on top of the talk of MM and Brotherhood, was also the owner of a Fishing, Recreational facility. Yet, when you google for his name address or the other arsonists, (eg Riperti) nothing comes up in google except for these links about arson. Very odd if they are residents. Check out the forum. They say much, much more.
"After the Mayor from San Diego annouced he will not veto gay marriages.
ReplyDeleteMade God mad. Lightning stuck a tree to start a fire."
And God said, "Don't make me come down there!"
Perhaps we need to post the rap sheets of all of the illegals who committed heinous crimes in the U.S. so we can indict the whole Hispanic community, La Raza, MEChA, MALDEF, the Brown Berets, etc.
ReplyDeleteBased on Dee's posts, that would make sense to me.
Great..... Dee....... Conspiracy Theories!!!!!. WACKO DEE, WACKO.
ReplyDeleteHey, I don´t make this stuff up!!
ReplyDeleteWhat I find the most interesting is the bond for both of these guys. One is for 750K, the other is 1M.
ReplyDeleteThen, take into consideration, they have next to nothing on them in google. Heck, if you google your own name you get much much more than for these guys.
Obviously the FBI is investigating for a reason.
ReplyDeleteIs this another MM Attack?
ReplyDeleteMexican Consulate Bombing in NY
Notice Ultima how dee won't reply to your remarks and just changes the subject instead?
ReplyDeleteAs you said, she would be hopping mad if we start blaming all the illegals for these fires, especially the Mexican ones. Notice from the news articles I posted in here that there was an illegal who started one of them and a couple of others with what looks like Hispanic surnames also started fires. Where is her outrage over them? Instead she keeps pounding away at the whole MM organization without any proof that the anglos suspected of starting some fires were members of the MM in the first place. Disgustingly hypocritical.
What say you, dee. Or are you just going to ignore my remarks just like you did Ultimas?
Pat, Pat, Pat, I did respond to Ulty. He, as he often does, rhetorically commented on the forum boards slightly outrageous conspiracy theories. I responded that it was good the FBI was investigating.
ReplyDeleteAs far as your targetting the illegal immigrants, I haven´t seen any posts that say that. Not even the alleycats are posting such info although they are trying to check legal status of the possible Hispanic (may be italian or European) surname suspects.
No dee, you did not address any of the following remarks by Ultima.
ReplyDelete"I don't. I thought we put that idea to bed a long time ago. Obviously, one DUI doesn't apply to others who are sober when they drive. I think the point of whatever anti sites you are referring to is two fold: one they are after all illegal to begin with and if some of them commit other crimes while here illegally, that is a second reason for expelling them. Look at the photos of the most wanted in our largest cities and you will see plenty of Hispanic faces, folks that we could do better without.
Other than their border violations, are they all guilty of other crimes? Of course not!
If a dozen commit crimes, does that make all the rest guilty of the same crimes or of condoning those crimes? Of course not!
This applies to all groups of people or organizations whether they be Minutemen, MEChA, La Raza, the Mafia or La Hermandad de la Raza. It depends primarily on the organizations charter or by-laws. We know what that is for MEChA for example.
You won't find anything in the charter of the Minutemen that suggests violence, arson, or any other crimes or seditious intent.
I guess if they didn't like what was happening in California then in contrast you must like Mexifornia and approve of what is happening there and can't wait for it to happen to the rest of Mexico Norte.
The reports I saw on NBC news did not identify the culprits in any way. You can be sure of one thing whoever did this, if they did it, probably did it on their own without any organizational plan or endorsement.
So I guess what you are saying is a few wackos on either side is sufficient to condemn them all whether they are illegal DUIs or whatever."
October 26, 2007 11:44 AM
As for the articles I posted on the suspects who started some fires, one said that it was an illegal alien from Guatamala. The other two appeared to have Hispanic surnames but legal status was not confirmed yet. It doesn't really matter dee because legal or illegal since one is a Hispanic and the others are strong possibilites you aren't enraged about them as you are the ones with the anglo names and also you are demonizing the whole MM organization over it. You are a bonifide hypocrite!
Pat, Pat, Pat,
ReplyDeleteJust for you, my response.
Ultima responded to my comment about ANTI sites (eg alipac) indicting the 12M if one individual commits a crime. He said he does not agree. Then in his next statement said if I do not like what is happening in CA, I must like Mexifornia. (this is a ludicrous comment – or you can say rhetorical, because many times I have said that is an incorrect term and he has committed not to use it again, yet he continues to do so repeatedly, now he says I support it. Rhetoric upon rhetoric, so I did not respond, as many often do not respond to rhetorical comments)
Then he said reports he saw did not identify the culprits in any way. Yet, here on my blog, I have provided many posts of various news organizations identifying the culprits. I also included various blog and internet posts which some of you agree or disagree with.
All in all, no need to reply to so many rhetorical comments.
As for your article, I read it. The article said the suspect was from Guatemala. It did not say he was an illegal immigrant. The other 1 had, as a said, either a Hispanic or Italian or European sounding last name.
I just report the facts and respond appropriately.
Mexifornia is not an inaccurate term as to what is happening here in California. It is starting to look a lot more like Mexico rather than the U.S. And you do support it because you support illegal aliens and that is why California is starting to look like Mexico. We have the largest illegal population in the country.
ReplyDeleteWhere in your news articles does it say that any of the White arsonists were members of the MM with proof of that? Why are you not as outraged that one of the arsonists is an illegal alien Hispanic? The article I posted said he was a day laborer. I found numerous articles since then that stated he is an illegal alien.
What about the emergency supplies that were taken from Qualcom statium by illegal aliens? What about the news stories about illegals who were looting the burnt out homes and selling items that were not destroyed by the fires?
You know I don't really care the ethnicity of any of the arsonists. They are all garbage to me but you only want to bring up the anglo names and then without any proof you want to attach them to the MM and demonize the whole organization for it.
Ultima, mentioned that too but you wouldn't address that part of his posts nor would you address he statements about Mecha. You only addressed the points you wanted too.
Here, MeCHA is taking credit for the fires Radical Hispanic separatist organization MEChA ("Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan") is taking responsibility for setting the wildfires in California, confimed Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.
ReplyDeleteKinda nullifies your MM and WS theories doesn't it??!!
From the article:
ReplyDeleteCalifornia officials received a letter earlier today containing photographs of individuals holding Molotov cocktails, then throwing them into dry brush. The faces of the individuals appeared to have been digitally distorted.
Also included was a rambling manifesto, stating that the reason for the act of arson was that "Aztlán belongs to indigenous people, the Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán. We are sovereign and not subject to a foreign culture."
Pat, Pat, Pat,
ReplyDeleteI like you because you are civil and we can discuss.
However, the issue with the term Mexifornia is, you are targetting legal citizens who are Hispanic. Shame on you for even saying this. Even Ulty recognizes the inappropriateness of this term and has promised not to use it again. Yet he does. (just like my grandson who gets the sparkle in his eye when he sees my crystal.)
The emergency supplies, as I showed you in the Univision video, were not stolen. Instead, the residence who did not have green cards who lost their homes, were also attacked and deported if they did not have green cards. This happened in 4 cases. No theft at all!!
Finally, re the MM arsonists, it was not me who posted these words. I merely report. The FBI is investigating. I do have some former MMs who are hesitant to go on record for obvious reasons but it is my understanding the FBI is investigating and will have confirmation out soon.
Dee said...
ReplyDeleteBTW Liquid,
Here is the REAL story our US Media is NOT reporting about the
"illegals arrested"
Actually a report from the same San Diego news-station on some undocumented immigrants who were caught selling clothes and supplies given to them by relief corps. Yesterday, some of our blog's readers connected the undocumented family who was accused of stealing from relief corps to the ones mentioned in this video, but we just wanted to point out that it's not clear that they are the same people.
From MATT blogs: Illegal immigrants and the S. CA Fires
dee, it is mostly due to illegal alien Hispanics that California looks more like Mexico than the U.S. now. Don't put words in my mouth.
ReplyDeleteYou are giving the Univision version of the stolen emergency supplies. I believe them and the illegals just as much as you believe any anti source of news. Zilch!
And shame on you for claiming affiliation of the anglo arsonist with the MM as truth already when you yourself admit it is still under investigation. It doesn't matter anyway as Ultima pointed out and you ignored his comment, that you shouldn't demonize a whole organization for one rotten apple. The MM organization would never condone this horrendous act. What was that though about the Mecha charter statment again? Another one of Ultima's remarks you ignored.
Head LIE news. Check the domain people.
ReplyDeleteAnd folks give Dee crap about quoting Craigslist whereas the Minutemen supporters are just fabricating stories.
Speaks to their cause doesn't it?
Tony, Assuming you mean those of us in here are the MM supporters you are referring to, just what stories are we fabricating?
ReplyDeleteWhat are you a one hit wonder? You throw a punch and leave like a coward?
Actually Tony, Since you are famous and a comedian according to Dee, I thought since Dee and you had warm brown goo on the tips of each of your noses from each other, that somebody would catch it. Obviously you did and she didn't. The post is in regards to her statements about Rund being a MM and a WS with NO PROOF. Obviously you don't see the 'HUMOR' in the post. Too Bad. ;-(~
ReplyDeleteTony, the Craigslist Ad isn't a fabricated story by the La Raza, Aztlanist, Mecha, Reconquista supporters?? Pray tell!!!
ReplyDeleteThank you Tony.
ReplyDeleteLiquid, I am ashamed of you for posting that phony Mecha headline. I didn´t even see it til Tony mentioned it. What a ridiculous thing to do.
As I have said, I don´t make stuff up as you did Liquid. Shame on you!!
Pat, Shame on you for not commending Tony for his catch. Look at the Mecha link that Liquid provided. It said Head LIE news. It was a bogus website provided by Liquid pretending it was a real story. Shameful!!
ReplyDeleteNo worse than your headline of "Minutemen Start California Fires!" from Craigslist!! Just goes to prove you are nothing more than ethnocentric and a hypocrite racist.
ReplyDeleteBesides, I didn't make it up, someone else did, I did the same as you by posting it, only I didn't keep on like you in the insinuation of MM's and WS's. How does it feel, do you like it??!!
ReplyDeletePoor Liquid.
ReplyDeleteYour post was a lie.
My post is still being confirmed. The FBI is investigating and we should have confirmation soon.
dee, don't you wag your finger at me. I never read the Mecha link that liquid posted. Stop acting like you are a mother hen in here. We are adults not your children and I don't like being treated like a child by the likes of you.
ReplyDeleteI agree with liquid about your MM headline. It is bogus until proven to be true. You are a hypocrite yourself. You accuse others of doing the same that you are doing.
Does it matter on house insurance if your house burns down whether it was mother nature ( struck by lightning and set on fire) or intentionally set by so-called arsonists?
ReplyDeleteWill the insurance pay either way?
Pat,
ReplyDeleteDo you have a TX-Southern accent? Everytime you say things like that I always hear a TX accent.
I was born and have lived in California all my life, so how could I have a Texas accent?
ReplyDeletePat, I would love to hear your voice, especially when you say things like "don't you wag your finger at me."
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What I find interesting is the proximity of the fires to the SDMM base of operations, Oceanside. Remember Jeff Schwilk´s predisposition with McGonical Canyon which is number 14 on the CA Fire Map.
ReplyDeleteCircling Oceanside are burn areas 10, 12, 13, 14 and 15. Also, in area 15 were the four burned, charred bodies of four illegal immigrants, killed either before or during the fire.
When you look at John Rund and remember he is a small business owner, outdoorsman who lives in Hesperia, just outside of San Bernardino, a thriving Hispanic community. This is near burn area 5. He also lives near burn areas 5, 6, 7, 8.
Think of Riperti, in Riverside, half-way between San Bernardino and Oceanside. Think of Daves, the arsonist who was shot by police, who lived just down the road, Highway 40, from Rund in San Bernardino.
All of these men were loners, on the internet. All had been charged with some type of violence in the past, as Schwilk has. All of them Minutemen? The evidence is being investigated by the FBI.
All of these coincidences just start to add up.
Then you remember Schwilk´s ominous letter to the Editorial page of the North County Times on October 6 which read in part, “Slowly but surely we are taking San Diego County back from the La Raza and socialist activists. Deportations of criminal aliens in the county are way up in the past year. More victories for the citizens lie ahead!”
Was he bragging and fortelling what his group was planning?
All interesting food for thought. Let´s hope and pray the FBI completes their investigations and arrests ALL of the guilty parties. I believe their time is short. The FBI knows and is closing in very quickly.
The 4 charred bodies were found in one of the migrant camps Schwilk and his MMs continue to attack. This camp was in burn area 15. The authorities are still determining the cause of death. (May have been murdered prior to fire)
ReplyDeleteSAN DIEGO - Four charred bodies were found Thursday in an apparent migrant camp burned by one of the wildfires raging across Southern California, authorities said Thursday.
If the fire was responsible for the deaths — which authorities said was not immediately certain — it would mean seven people have died in the flames that have consumed about 750 square miles and at least 1,800 homes since the weekend.
Border Patrol agents on routine patrol found the bodies in a wooded area near Barrett Junction, just east of San Diego and along the Mexican border, agency spokeswoman Gloria Chavez said. The area is near a major corridor for illegal immigrants who often walk hours or even days to cross into the United States from Mexico.
You are really trying to stretch things dee trying to make a connection between the MM and these fires. Having lived in So. California all my life, we have these fires EVERY year. It is because we don't get any rain all summer and when fall comes around the brush is so dry that a simple cigarette thrown out the window will ignite a blaze. Also that is when arsonists like to strike because they know of these dry conditions. These fires are normal for us this time of year.
ReplyDeleteThe canyons are particulary vulnerable with all the brush in them. For you to try to pin this on the MM is ridiculous. Even if some wanted to rid the canyons of these migrants, they wouldn't go to that extreme and put American lives in jeapardy.
Your deep seated resentment towards any Americans for the rule of law nearly requires psychiatric treatment.
Pat, Methinks you doth protest too much.
ReplyDeleteI merely post the FACTS. The conclusion is obvious, even to you.
If the FBI confirms the MMs and Schwilk did this, they better start running and hiding now.
ReplyDeleteThe Terminator is after them!!
If he nails Schwilk, I will vote for Ahhnold for President!!
You call the title of this topic, "Minutemen (plural) start California fires", the FACTS? Facts are supported by the truth. There is no proven truth in that.
ReplyDeleteI already told you that wildfires this time of year in So. California is normal. We also get those Santa Ana winds this time of year. The dry brush combined with those winds are the reason we have this problem EVERY year. It also brings out the nutcase arsonists because we are so vulnerable to fires this time of year.
I am not prostesting anything. I am giving you the facts and since you are so obsessed with the MM organization and anyone opposed to illegal immigration you look for things to blame them for. Yet you are a hypocrite because you claim that the anti's as you call them blame everything on the illegals. Look in the mirror, dee. You are doing the same thing!
Pat,
ReplyDeleteThe Gov. has stated most of the fires were arson. That is a FACT.
I have layed out the facts, the timeline and the map. All Facts.
It is hard to argue with the facts.
Once the FBI completes its investigation and the Governor follows up, then those that committed these crimes will be fully exposed.
The facts are, the FBI and the police already know.
The perpetrators should be VERY afraid!!! The Terminator is NOT going to stop until he gets ALL of the Bad Guys!!
I have already stated that these conditions in the fall here in So. Calif. bring out the arsonists. But part of those facts do not include any facts that any MM were involved.
ReplyDeleteIf I were the Minuteman Organization I would sue you for defamation of character for starting a topic such as you did in this blog claiming adamantly that any of their members were involved or that they would condone such behavior. You better be careful about making unproven accusations.
The FBI is on to the arsonists and have them in custody.
ReplyDeleteThey will all be exposed soon enough.
Gee, not sheet! Exposed? They already have released most of their names to the media including those Hispanic ones.
ReplyDeleteApparently you have not seen Arnold´s latest message. The terminator is taken down the whole GROUP of arsonists, very soon.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/27/fire.wildfire.ca/index.html
Good, all arsonists should be locked up for life, including those Hispanic ones too.
ReplyDeleteConsider the co-incidence:
ReplyDeleteMSNBC showed this week in pictures. The first picture was of the Valley Oaks mobile home park along Reche Road west of Interstate 15 Monday, Oct 22 near FALLBROOK, CA.
Then I remembered Schwilk´s Oct. 6, 2007 ominous letter to the Editor in which he referenced “We also targeted St. Peter's church in FALLBROOK for running a formal hiring center for 30 to 50 [day laborers, who we believe are] mostly illegal aliens, on church property next to their preschool” and “An alien migrant CAMPER, Jesus Nava, was arrested for the crime”. Where did this all occur? FALLBROOK, CA.
As I said, there is no coincidence. These fires occur in So. Calif. every year and combined with the Santa Ana winds it spreads everywhere. True, it brings the arsonists out of the closet but these fires were not racially motivated. Why would any group jeapordize the lives of thousands of American citizens and their property for that? The fires were in three different counties, not just one.
ReplyDeleteWhy did some Hispanics start some fires? Explain that one!
Go talk to your priest, dee. You are in need of help.
Here are the numbers for Michael Chertoff at Homeland Security.
ReplyDeleteGood morning Michael - it's a new day! The American Tax Payers who pay your salary, want you to actually do your job! Suprise!
Build the Fence! We will be checking daily on it's progress!
Contact Us
Citizen Line
Operator Number: 202-282-8000
Comment Line: 202-282-8495
Mailing Address
U.S. Department of Homeland Security
Washington, D.C. 20528
http://www.jbs.org/node/5934
ReplyDeleteThis illegal crap along with lax borders is only for the SPP and NAU, here is the link from the john birch society.. America, drill these political treasonists into the ground and command your elected officials to seal our borders with mexico and canada, we must defeat the SPP and NAU in order to protect our soverenty.. screw the dems\communists and the 'la raza' racist bastards and their political sneaks in office, we must vote these bastards out on their asses or it will be civil war for sure..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95871,00.html
ReplyDeletehttp://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/Bustamante-Cruz.html
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/node/1226
Here are a few more links on this, I'd say all of these are legit sources.. America, close the borders already, quit screwing around!!!!
Anon,
ReplyDeleteI think you posted this junk on the wrong Post. This one is about the Minutemen starting the California fire.
It looks like these links are your so called proof of the reconquista sheconquista bull.
First of all, it was the terrorist ANTI site American Patrol that is inciting hate and violence that started this vicious bad rumor. Why would I take any url from them as a valid source? Yikes!!
Dee, you are an enemy of our soverenty plain and simple.. the links posted are truthful, illegals are leaches to our tax dollars and have turned L.A. into a war zone, stop covering this up, the entire nation knows the truth.. you are a joke!!!!
ReplyDeleteOne more thing Dee.. Many 'raza or race' politicians have been connected to la raza and mecha in the southwest and we have exposed this to our congressmen and women, this is fact!!! they have said out loud in public that they want a mexican majority through illegal means and they do not care!! These groups are an enemy to the United States. I don't care about their aztlan belief!! We won the war for the southwest and if we have to, we will kick their asses again!!! These traitors use our tax money to fund illegal lawlessness and the slaughter of American citizens!!!
ReplyDeleteAt least the minutemen are getting us Americans to fund the fence, are you doing anything to fund our soverenty??? NO because you are an enemy to our soverenty!!! we've had enough of this BS!!!
Anon,
ReplyDeleteYou are losing it.
Patriotic Americans like me seek Truth and Justice and the American Way. We seek to understand then to be understood. That is why I do so much research.
The reason you are so upset by this is the truth and facts are different than the ANTI rhetoric you are used to.
This article is nice.NONE of your articles state he is a Minuteman or White Supremest, only your CRAIGSLIST ad does. If you are going to believe anything, at least link to credible information, otherwise I have a bridge to sell to you at a fair price!!
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johntaylor
california dui
Fuck mexifornia, fuck those who support mexifornia, and fuck all illegal (ill;not: legal;lawful) immigrants. We should build extermination camps for those that approve of a mexifornia, and slaughtor houses for illegals. senator karrack osama along with celery hilton and trident (biden) are all sociallist communist, "GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND GO TO CHINA YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES, BRING ALL YOUR LITTLE GYPSIE FOLLOWERS WITH YOU TOO, NEVER RETURN.
ReplyDeleteI WANT YOU EXTERMINATED DEE, YOU DO NOT BELONG IN OUR SOCIETY, PRETTY SOON WE'LL BE USING SHIT BAGS SUCH AS YOUR SELF AS A THING THAT WILL TAKE ALL RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR ACTIONS. [DEE & YOUR CRONIE SHIT BAGS]. WE WILL SILENCE YOU AND YOUR RASCALS VERY QUICKELY AND EXTREMELY RUTHLESSLY. I.E- STOVES, FURNACE, LABOUR, DRAGGING FROM A HIGH SPEEDING VEHICLE, SLAUGHTOR HOUSES, STARVATION, MACRO- LARGE EXTREMETIES I.E. THE ARM, TEASING, AND ROUND UPS ECT....
ReplyDeleteFUCK YOU dee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CUNT!!!!!!!!!
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