Friday, August 10, 2007

PRO Position vs ANTI Position

PRO Position:
1. Secure ALL Borders, Ports and Terminals. Trained Border Patrol Agents. Utilize Technology for Border Security vs Walls.
2. Employer Sanctions: Severely sanction employers, particularly those that exploit illegal immigrants and provide them false documentation. Stiffly fine them and on repeated offenses, put them out of business.
3. 12M here: Establish a path to earned citizenship, especially for those here +5 years. Bernanke has said they have helped the US avoid recession. Bring them out of the shadows and identify felonious criminals to be returned to country of origin.

ANTI Position:
1. Wall at Southern Border. (some advocate 700 mile to 2000 mile wall)
2. Employer Sanctions: If an employer is identified, follow due process of law.
3. 12M here: Deportation of all 12M (self deportation or Mass Deportation). Conduct massive sweeps (workplace and residential) to arrest and deport them. Hold them in Detention Centers pending removal. (privately owned prisons)
4. 14th Ammendment: Change birthright citizen amendment. No more “Anchor babies.”
5. Official English: Even though English is National Language, establish laws creating English as Official Language. (e.g. All Government business conducted in English, all official documentation printed in English, etc.)
6. Future Immigration: Limit future Immigration. Immigration should be controlled to allow immigration from countries that will advance the US. Stop the US from becoming a 3rd World Country. Miami is a 3rd World Country. So is Mexifornia (California) and Mexas (Texas.) We need to turn this around and return to a Mayberrian culture.


ultima said...

The so-called Pro-Illegals advocate secure borders, sanctioning employers, comprehensive immigration reform, and a path to citizenship for the 12-20 million. They maintain that most of these illegals have worked and contributed to this country for 5 – 20 years. Of course, no one knows the actual distribution of these aliens by the length of their stay in this country.

By favoring the illegals and their countries of origin, the Pro-Illegals exhibit what many would consider a basic disloyalty to their fellow citizens and to the national interest. One can be in favor of a solution to the immigration conundrum without taking the part of foreigner or their governments. When seeking a compromise in the national interest, who should have the longer road to travel, the illegals or U.S. citizens? This is the key question. Once it is answered, the way forward will become apparent, compromise will be easier, America will be preserved, and the demonstrated labor needs of employers will be met.

However, the Pro-Illegals fail to recognize that securing the borders means more than just physical barriers, roads and electronic and aerial surveillance. One cannot expect these measures to succeed by themselves without the creation of significant disincentives for prospective new violators of the borders. This means sanctioning the illegals themselves, their employers and those who aid and abet them or who offer sanctuary. Buttressing the physical barriers with important disincentives will improve our chances of success. Any other provisions of immigration reform must be held in abeyance until there are concrete results from the border measured not in terms of the completion of the infrastructure but in terms of a reduction in the illegal population and a reduction in the number of illegals being apprehended at the border.

The disincentives can be created with vigorous interior enforcement including: (1) daily roundups, (2) more immigration judges to expedite the deportation appeal process, (3) quick involuntary deportation. Self-deportation will not longer be allowed because that avoids the onus of a removal order followed by a felon classification for those who return.

The bases for appeal could include: (1) testimonials from fellow workers not of their ethnicity, (2) evidence of social integration and cultural and linguistic assimilation, (3) children in school over the age of eight, (4) input from local unions, and (5) evidence of attendance at a community-based ESL course.

ultima said...

The Pros:

(1) This term is misleading because being pro-illegal means anti-American, it means putting the interests of foreigners ahead of the national interest and the interests of fellow citizens.

(2) Some are for secure borders but would deny our country the tools necessary to achieve that goal.

(3) Some give lip service to the English language but oppose Official English.

(4) Some are in favor of employer sanctions but oppose the sanctions against the illegals that would create the disincentives necessary to buttress the physical barriers at the border.

(5) Some use the Liberal playbook.

(6) Use terms like racist, bigot, nativist, and others to describe citizens who disagree with them.

(7) Like ad hominem arguments because they don't have to think to advance those arguments. They can just appeal to emotion.

(8) There are radical elements on both sides of the issues but the Pros like to lump all "Anti" citizens into the lunatic fringe while saying nothing about the radicals they support like MALDEF, MEChA, The Brown Berets, La Raza, LULAC and the Atzlanistas.

(9) Favor legalizing all illegals already here, thereby extending an open invitation for more to come.

(10) Have a singular lack of appreciation of the heartfelt concerns of American citizens -- they attribute all those concerns to racism or worse and yet no one has advocated the deportation of anyone except the illegals, regardless of their ethnicity or country of origin.

(11) Oppose any approach except comprehensive reform.

(12) Believe Americans do not have a good work ethic and strong families.

(13) Believe assimilation is taking place and everyone is learning English by the second generation.

(14) Believe uneducated illegals are needed and can develop the skills and professional knowledge to replace retiring boomers.

(15) They believe the illegals deserve a pathway to citizenship.

(16) They believe most illegals pay all the applicable taxes and aren't a burden on society and won't be during their retirement years.

(17) Believe border violations and use of another person's SSN are trivial offenses.

(18) Believe in self-deportation so that the those involved can return quickly without the onus of classification as a felon.

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