Thursday, October 25, 2007

Minutemen Start California Fires?

BREAKING NEWS: FBI arrests Minuteman White Supremacist for arson (article from Craigs List)


2007-10-24, 6:17PM PDT


FBI just announced they arrested John Alfred Rund, 48, for arson in just one of the fires in Los Angeles. Rund is a known member of the National Socialist Movement and the Minutemen, both known terrorist organizations. The FBI also announced they are looking for multiple arsonist suspects in what is being called the largest terrorist plot to hit California to date. The fires have caused the destruction of at least 1400 homes and so far 3 billion dollars in damages.

117 comments:

ultima said...

The originator of the article is not identified. "...the Minutemen, both known terrorist organizations" is patently wrong. No one condones the actions of extremists no matter what banner or label they act under or what organization they belong to. The vast majority of Minutemen are law-abiding citizens, something that cannot be said about the illegal aliens. I hope they fry this guy. He gives a good movement a bad name.

Dee said...

Ulty, I find it interesting that you call this guy a "lone wacko." When Schwilk or Simcox, well known MM Leaders, screw up, they are individual cases, but if 1 of the 12M has a DUI, they are ALL Guilty. ANTI sites do this all the time.

Rund is a Minuteman. Early reports are saying the MMs are the terrorists responsible. I guess they didn´t like "Mexifornia." They are terrorists!!

Liquidmicro said...

A Craigslist Ad, come on Dee, nothing like being PATHETIC on your behalf.

Dee said...

Another article on the Minuteman Arsonist
Rund

Dee said...

Another article on the Arsonist Minuteman RundArson Article

Liquidmicro said...

Six illegal immigrants arrested at Qualcomm

Article on 'Illegal Immigrants' STEALING from victims!!

Liquidmicro said...

"He has not been connected in any way so far with any fire up on the hill," Miller said. "We don't know at this point what started that fire."

Liquidmicro said...

NONE of your articles state he is a Minuteman or White Supremest, only your CRAIGSLIST ad does. If you are going to believe anything, at least link to credible information, otherwise I have a bridge to sell to you at a fair price!!

Slyhunter said...

Try using a reliable news source.

http://www.knbc.com/news/2589782/detail.html
Dikran Armouchian, 23, of Pasadena, made comments about the fire he had started

I've read the name is Armenian. They have muslims in that country?

Tony said...

Damn Dee!!! Awesome scoop. I'm wondering how this will pan out. Hopefully we'll keep hearing more about it.

AWESOME WORK DEE. This blog is the best!

keep it up!!!

Liquidmicro said...

Please link to these EARLIER reports stating the MM's started fires or that Rund is a MM or a WS.

Slyhunter said...

Here's a news article you should post on your blog. ILLEGALS ARRESTED FOR STEALING 'FOOD AND WATER' AT EVACUATION CENTER...

And before you say it is from a biased news source --> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/breakingnews/2007/10/six-undocumente.html

The LAtino Times. Leftwing news rag LA Times.

Slyhunter said...

If they had been deported they would'nt of been there to committ those crimes.

Dee said...

Sly,
Your article about the Armouchian is from 2003.

That is over 4 years old!!

Dee said...

I am continuing to complete my research on Rund. I have found a few documents and I will post them as I continue. For now, I hear he is in a Detention Center.

I am sure the MM sites are busy deleting his name from their rosters.

I need to find the name of the arsonist from AZ who was shot and killed by the police. If anyone has that please email me. dee_perezscott@yahoo.com

patriot said...

Leave it to dee to take the actions of one to demonize a whole organization. What if the headlines were "Hispanic arsonist starts fires, who incidently was also a member of the NCLR?" See what we mean, dee?

Not anywheres near all who are opposed to illegal immigration think that all illegal aliens are drunk drivers either. Again you are stereotyping our whole movement.

What say you about the Qualcom Stadium incident, dee?

Dee said...

More on

Minuteman Rund

Dee said...

Some various websites belonging to Minuteman Rund for those doing research or writing articles about this

Rund My Space

Rund 1Up page AKA Johnny Video

Dee said...

CA Fire Map

Notice 5, 6, 7 and 8 are right by Rund´s home.

Dee said...

John Alfred Rund, 48, of Hesperia is being held on $750,000 bail on suspicion of arson and is to appear in court tomorrow in Victorville.

Hopefully the MMs won´t eliminate him and any evidence prior to trial.

Court Date Set

Dee said...

Rund Police Report

Liquidmicro said...

None of those articles state anywhere at all in them that Rund is a MM or WS. Unless you have something proving he is a MM or WS, you are doing nothing more than slandering this firebug and trying to propagate some connection with an organization that you don't agree with.

Still have the smell of bull sh!t in your house, Dee, do something to clean it up.

Dee said...

Sounds like you are DeeNial Liquid.
I am just posting what is on the web.

MM John Rund looks guilty.

Liquidmicro said...

Dee said...

Ulty, I find it interesting that you call this guy a "lone wacko." When Schwilk or Simcox, well known MM Leaders, screw up, they are individual cases, but if 1 of the 12M has a DUI, they are ALL Guilty. ANTI sites do this all the time.

Rund is a Minuteman. Early reports are saying the MMs are the terrorists responsible. I guess they didn´t like "Mexifornia." They are terrorists!!

October 25, 2007 9:06 AM


Please Dee, show me where Rund is a MM or WS. There are NO REPORTS, I repeat NO REPORTS at all on any site other than your and this Craigslist ad that states Rund is a MM and WS. I suggest you remove your slanderous remarks and apologize for your misconstrued remarks and statements. It seems to be the thing to do as of late for you Liberals, all of them are doing it in the Senate, what makes you any different?

Dee said...

BTW Liquid,
Here is the REAL story our US Media is NOT reporting about the
"illegals arrested"

So the FACTS are, the MM Arsonists burn out what they term "Mexifornia" and those they burn out who may not be in current legal status are getting deported.

That must be what the MMs are trying to accomplish.

Liquidmicro said...

The FACTS are a Spanish speaking interview with 'Illegal Immigrant' parents that have 'Anchor Babies' who's cousins were here in the USA 'Illegally', got deported because of their status. Why doesn't the Mexican Consulate then help the 'Illegal Immigrants'? Why are they getting things that are reserved for American Citizens? They have been here 15 years and don't speak English? Why is that?

Keep repeating your lies about Rund with no proof. Thats real intelligent on your behalf, Dee.

Dee said...

See how you did that Liquid? I show you facts. I show you there was no stealing, documented, reported on tapes. You see it yourself. Yet no apologies for those wrongfully accused.

I report actual reports from various websites. These are documented and much more will come out. This arsonist has plenty of evidence against him and witnesses.

My, my my. We are exposing yourself Dear Liquid.

Liquidmicro said...

Sorry Dee, I wear pants under my Trench Coat. You get nothing to OOGLE at.

I just did what you did with your claiming Rund to be a MM and WS.

The arsonist has one witness against him, still all speculation until proven guilty, remember the LAW Dee, INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty.

Slyhunter said...

Dee you haven't posted one real report about Rund being a member MM. To cover up the fact you try to turn the tables and accuse others of covering up something else. Typical liberal response.

Liquidmicro said...

Dee said...

I report actual reports from various websites. These are documented and much more will come out. This arsonist has plenty of evidence against him and witnesses.


Is that what you are claiming the post from Craigslist as??!! An actual REPORT that is documented?? You make this to easy, Dee.

Dee said...

I will have actual corroboration from a former minuteman in CA soon.

pjgoober said...

I googled "John Rund" and "John Alfred Rund" with "minutemen" and "minuteman", and the only sources I can find that link this man with the minutemen is the craigslist post that cites no sources and your blog who's only source is that craigslist post. If any substantive proof about the Minutemen connection comes out, then as Tony said above, this is an awesome scoop. You will have beat out all sources indexed by Google save for the craigslist post.

Dee said...

More Rund News:

After further investigation, 48-year-old John Alfred Rund of Hesperia was arrested for arson.

Rund has an arrest record, which includes a conviction on July 7, 2003, for inflicting corporal injury on a spouse, criminal threats and disturbing the peace. On September 29, 2005, Rund was convicted of possession of a controlled substance, and was cited for minor vehicle code violations on January 15, 2000.

The San Bernardino County Sheriff's Bomb/Arson Detail and the San Bernardino County Fire Department will be conducting an arson investigation. The investigation is ongoing and it is unknown if Rund is connected to any other fire in San Bernardino County, as the cause of those fires has not been determined.

When San Bernardino County Supervisor Dennis Hansberger received the news of the arrest, he said, “I am heartened to hear of the arrest and pleased we are remaining diligent to bring about safety in our county.”

Arsonist Arrested

Dee said...

Currenlty I have Rund´s YouTube screen name.

Am awaiting former minuteperson to confirm the minuteman roster with Rund´s name.

Dee said...

The other arsonist, shot and killed by police, may be another minuteman. More to come.

Arizona man killed while fleeing Ca. police identified

01:59 PM MST on Thursday, October 25, 2007

Associated Press

PHOENIX (AP) -- A California coroner has identified an Arizona man who was shot and killed by police after they chased him because they thought he was a possible arsonist.


The San Bernardino County coroner said the man was Russell Lane Daves, 27, of Topock, a small town along the Arizona-California border in Mohave County.


Daves was shot Tuesday night following a chase that ended when he backed his car into a police cruiser and an officer opened fire.


The chase started after campus security officers at California State University, San Bernardino, found Daves inside a car in a brushy area near campus. Police said the officers were concerned and wanted to make sure he wasn't trying to start a fire. When they approached, he drove off.

Daves was arrested by Mohave County sheriff's deputies last month on a misdemeanor charge of domestic violence in a case that involved his 2-year-old son, sheriff's spokeswoman Trish Carter said.

Dee said...

Please notice that Topock AZ is right down the street from Rund´s ]San Bernardino area CA home. Just down 40.

Topock AZ

Liquidmicro said...

You have a John Rund you tube screen name, however there are 13 John Runds in the USA, which one is it that you have the you tube name for?

WhitePages.com

How are you so sure that the John Rund who has been detained is the you tube Johnny Video?

You need to revamp your research practices and better educate yourself, before making such outlandish statements as FACT.

Dee said...

Uuuh, Ulty,
The one from Hesperia CA who is 48.

Dee said...

For Russ Daves, the one from Potock AZ who is 27.

Russ Daves Myspace

Dee said...

Male
27 years old
Topock, Arizona
United States

Dee said...

The FBI is in on the investigation for the MMs. More to come.

Orange County officials, meanwhile, converged on a remote area of bone-dry brush where a 19,200-acre wildfire has destroyed nine homes. They were aided by special teams from the FBI and federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. The federal government planned to send more agents from around the country to help with the probe.

Investigators taped off an area they called a crime scene, took photos, collected evidence and recorded map coordinates, according to ATF Special Agent Susan Raichel. Authorities believe the fire was deliberately set because they found three different ignition points within a short distance – a common sign of arson.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20071025-0356-wst-californiawildfires-arson.html

Dee said...

One more arsonist

In the third incident, a man was arrested on suspicion of arson Tuesday after someone reported he tried to set the grass on fire at a Rancho Cucamonga park.

Anthony Joseph Riperti was booked into county jail. Bail was set at $250,000. Authorities said that they don't believe he is connected to any of the large fires burning in Southern California.

San Bernardino County sheriff's Sgt. Rick Ells said deputies responded to the park near Archibald Avenue and 6th Street just before 8 p.m. and found a small fire on the grass barely smoldering. It was easily extinguished.

Riperti, 45, was arrested nearby and identified as the fire starter by a witness, Ells said.

All very suspicious.

Liquidmicro said...

If you had stated these arsonists where members of ELF or ALF you would have made more of an argument, still there is no evidence that either of the 2 you are claiming to be MM's or WS's, are in fact truly MM's or WS's.

Liquidmicro said...

There is no defining information on the 1up page of Johnny Video, anybody could have created that page and put the Hesperia info on there. You still lack any damning information/evidence on Rund about anything other than a possible witness in one of the articles about seeing him near a fire, squating down along side the road.

Dee said...

The good news is the FBI is on the case and all will be posted soon.

patriot said...

I saw the interview by Univision of these illegal aliens accused of stealing supplies from Qualcom stadium. Univision, now theres are real unbiased source, lol.

12 million illegal aliens in this country breaking our laws but dee says nothing about them but instead she chooses to bring up a half dozen MM who may or may not have broken the law.

patriot said...

What do we need the FBI for dee, when we have you already trying and convicting anyone opposed to illegal immigration as being racist?

thepaintman said...

It wasn't the Minutemen, it was God.

After the Mayor from San Diego annouced he will not veto gay marriages.

Made God mad. Lightning stuck a tree to start a fire.

Burn Baby Burn.

Dee said...

Very Interesting. All the ANTIs trying to minimize and downplay the facts on this issue.

Very Interesting.

Not to worry. The FBI will expose the Truth!!

patriot said...

Here you go dee. Are these suspects with Hispanic surnames, MM too?

2 more arson arrests in Southern California
Thursday, October 25, 2007
(10-25) 13:40 PDT Vista, Calif. (AP) --
Link

Two more people have been booked for investigation of arson in Southern California.

Authorities say an adult and a juvenile were arrested after they started a small brush fire Tuesday night in the San Diego suburb of Vista.

The fire burned about 200 square feet before firefighters put it out.

The adult was identified as Gorgonio Nava. The other was not identified because he is a juvenile.

At least four people have been arrested for investigation of arson since the wildfires broke out over the weekend. None of the suspects has been connected to any of the major blazes.

How about this one?

Man accused of trying to spark a fire in Woodland Hills
Daily News
Article Last Updated: 10/25/2007 01:01:01 PM PDT

Woodland HILLS - As wildfires ripped through Southern California, a 41-year-old Sun Valley man was arrested on su****ion of arson after quick-thinking Woodland Hills residents allegedly saw him lighting a fire and called 911, police said this morning.
Woodland Hills residents saw a man lighting a fire then walking away about 4:30 yesterday on a hillside near Del Valle Street and Ponce Avenue. After calling police, the residents followed him to a restaurant and waited for police to arrive.

Police booked Catalino Pineda, a day laborer from Sun Valley, into the Los Angeles County Jail where he was being held on an arson charge. Bail was set at $75,000.

Pineda is a native of Guatemala. He is currently on probation for making excessive false emergency reports to law enforcement, police said.

Liquidmicro said...

Dee said...

Very Interesting. All the ANTIs trying to minimize and downplay the facts on this issue.

Very Interesting.

Not to worry. The FBI will expose the Truth!!



Does that mean you are going to apologize when all is said and done, when the truth of your phony FACTS come out to be made up by you?

Dee said...

Pat, I find it very interesting when you get your info from alipac. Alipac has not posted anything about all of the arrested until they have a possible hispanic surname. Of course the surname could also be American or Italian or other ethnicity. Who knows. Maybe another MM. We will see.

Slyhunter said...

Your header says truth. It and you lie. You throw out insubstantiated allegations as if it was fact and then discount fact as biased when confronted with it.

This is my last post here. I'm deleting the link. Your not worth my time.

Dee said...

Rick Sanchez just reported there were 4 charred bodies of illegal immigrants found.

I wonder if this is one of the root causes for the Minutemen arsons.

Dee said...

More on Rund

According to police, a man named John Alfred Rund was seen just south of Arrowhead Lake Road. Sheriff’s officials say he had just started a fire along the flat, isolated, scrubby road and witnesses said he took off on a Honda motorcycle, wearing a red and white striped helmet. A CHP helicopter, using infrared equipment, caught sight of Rund on his motorcycle and radioed to CHP officers and sheriff’s deputies. They found and arrested him at a home along Highway 173 near Highway 138. Rund is being held on $750,000 bail on suspicion of arson and is to appear in court tomorrow in Victorville.

Dee said...

More

Today, Oct. 25, the San Bernardino County District Attorney's Office filed one count of PC 451(c) Arson of Forest Land; one count of PC 454, Arson During a State of Emergency per Government Code 8625; and, one count of PC 453(a), Possession of Flammable Material or an Incendiary Device against John Alfred Rund, 48, of Hesperia. The PC 454 count increases the penalty from a potential of 2-4-6 to 5-7-9 years in prison.
Bail was set at $750,000. Rund will be arraigned today in Department 8 in the Victorville courthouse at 1:30 p.m.
Today, Oct. 25, the San Bernardino County District Attorney's Office filed one count of PC 451(c) Arson of Forest Land and one count of PC 454, Arson During a State of Emergency per Government Code 8625 against Anthony Riperti, 47, of Redlands. The PC 454 count increases the penalty from a potential of 2-4-6 to 5-7-9 years in prison.

patriot said...

dee, I didn't get my information from ALIPAC, it was from legitimate new's sources.

You say we anti's always jump on the band wagon when a crime is committed by someone with a Hispanic surname, especially if they are here illegally.

Aren't you guilty of the same thing. You always post negative articles about those with an anglo surname, especially those whom you think are members of the MM. Touche!

patriot said...

See how you are, dee? I heard that same thing. That charred bodies in the canyons were found where many migrants live. You immediately suspect the MM rather than using common sense that anyone living in those canyons would be in danger just because there was a fire in all those San Diego areas including the canyons. You definately show your biased agenda, dee.

Dee said...

More on John Rund, plus his picture.
2nd man charged in court: Anthony Joseph Riperti

Two Men Charges with Arson

ultima said...

"if 1 of the 12M has a DUI, they are ALL Guilty. ANTI sites do this all the time."

I don't. I thought we put that idea to bed a long time ago. Obviously, one DUI doesn't apply to others who are sober when they drive. I think the point of whatever anti sites you are referring to is two fold: one they are after all illegal to begin with and if some of them commit other crimes while here illegally, that is a second reason for expelling them. Look at the photos of the most wanted in our largest cities and you will see plenty of Hispanic faces, folks that we could do better without.

Other than their border violations, are they all guilty of other crimes? Of course not!

If a dozen commit crimes, does that make all the rest guilty of the same crimes or of condoning those crimes? Of course not!

This applies to all groups of people or organizations whether they be Minutemen, MEChA, La Raza, the Mafia or La Hermandad de la Raza. It depends primarily on the organizations charter or by-laws. We know what that is for MEChA for example.

You won't find anything in the charter of the Minutemen that suggests violence, arson, or any other crimes or seditious intent.

I guess if they didn't like what was happening in California then in contrast you must like Mexifornia and approve of what is happening there and can't wait for it to happen to the rest of Mexico Norte.

The reports I saw on NBC news did not identify the culprits in any way. You can be sure of one thing whoever did this, if they did it, probably did it on their own without any organizational plan or endorsement.

So I guess what you are saying is a few wackos on either side is sufficient to condemn them all whether they are illegal DUIs or whatever.

Dee said...

Some very odd happenings with these arsonists. A number of California bloggers are talking about them. Here is a most
Interesting Forum

Apparently Rund, on top of the talk of MM and Brotherhood, was also the owner of a Fishing, Recreational facility. Yet, when you google for his name address or the other arsonists, (eg Riperti) nothing comes up in google except for these links about arson. Very odd if they are residents. Check out the forum. They say much, much more.

ultima said...

"After the Mayor from San Diego annouced he will not veto gay marriages.

Made God mad. Lightning stuck a tree to start a fire."

And God said, "Don't make me come down there!"

ultima said...

Perhaps we need to post the rap sheets of all of the illegals who committed heinous crimes in the U.S. so we can indict the whole Hispanic community, La Raza, MEChA, MALDEF, the Brown Berets, etc.

Based on Dee's posts, that would make sense to me.

Liquidmicro said...

Great..... Dee....... Conspiracy Theories!!!!!. WACKO DEE, WACKO.

Dee said...

Hey, I don´t make this stuff up!!

Dee said...

What I find the most interesting is the bond for both of these guys. One is for 750K, the other is 1M.

Then, take into consideration, they have next to nothing on them in google. Heck, if you google your own name you get much much more than for these guys.

Dee said...

Obviously the FBI is investigating for a reason.

Dee said...

Is this another MM Attack?

Mexican Consulate Bombing in NY

patriot said...

Notice Ultima how dee won't reply to your remarks and just changes the subject instead?

As you said, she would be hopping mad if we start blaming all the illegals for these fires, especially the Mexican ones. Notice from the news articles I posted in here that there was an illegal who started one of them and a couple of others with what looks like Hispanic surnames also started fires. Where is her outrage over them? Instead she keeps pounding away at the whole MM organization without any proof that the anglos suspected of starting some fires were members of the MM in the first place. Disgustingly hypocritical.

What say you, dee. Or are you just going to ignore my remarks just like you did Ultimas?

Dee said...

Pat, Pat, Pat, I did respond to Ulty. He, as he often does, rhetorically commented on the forum boards slightly outrageous conspiracy theories. I responded that it was good the FBI was investigating.

As far as your targetting the illegal immigrants, I haven´t seen any posts that say that. Not even the alleycats are posting such info although they are trying to check legal status of the possible Hispanic (may be italian or European) surname suspects.

patriot said...

No dee, you did not address any of the following remarks by Ultima.

"I don't. I thought we put that idea to bed a long time ago. Obviously, one DUI doesn't apply to others who are sober when they drive. I think the point of whatever anti sites you are referring to is two fold: one they are after all illegal to begin with and if some of them commit other crimes while here illegally, that is a second reason for expelling them. Look at the photos of the most wanted in our largest cities and you will see plenty of Hispanic faces, folks that we could do better without.

Other than their border violations, are they all guilty of other crimes? Of course not!

If a dozen commit crimes, does that make all the rest guilty of the same crimes or of condoning those crimes? Of course not!

This applies to all groups of people or organizations whether they be Minutemen, MEChA, La Raza, the Mafia or La Hermandad de la Raza. It depends primarily on the organizations charter or by-laws. We know what that is for MEChA for example.

You won't find anything in the charter of the Minutemen that suggests violence, arson, or any other crimes or seditious intent.

I guess if they didn't like what was happening in California then in contrast you must like Mexifornia and approve of what is happening there and can't wait for it to happen to the rest of Mexico Norte.

The reports I saw on NBC news did not identify the culprits in any way. You can be sure of one thing whoever did this, if they did it, probably did it on their own without any organizational plan or endorsement.

So I guess what you are saying is a few wackos on either side is sufficient to condemn them all whether they are illegal DUIs or whatever."

October 26, 2007 11:44 AM


As for the articles I posted on the suspects who started some fires, one said that it was an illegal alien from Guatamala. The other two appeared to have Hispanic surnames but legal status was not confirmed yet. It doesn't really matter dee because legal or illegal since one is a Hispanic and the others are strong possibilites you aren't enraged about them as you are the ones with the anglo names and also you are demonizing the whole MM organization over it. You are a bonifide hypocrite!

Dee said...

Pat, Pat, Pat,
Just for you, my response.
Ultima responded to my comment about ANTI sites (eg alipac) indicting the 12M if one individual commits a crime. He said he does not agree. Then in his next statement said if I do not like what is happening in CA, I must like Mexifornia. (this is a ludicrous comment – or you can say rhetorical, because many times I have said that is an incorrect term and he has committed not to use it again, yet he continues to do so repeatedly, now he says I support it. Rhetoric upon rhetoric, so I did not respond, as many often do not respond to rhetorical comments)
Then he said reports he saw did not identify the culprits in any way. Yet, here on my blog, I have provided many posts of various news organizations identifying the culprits. I also included various blog and internet posts which some of you agree or disagree with.
All in all, no need to reply to so many rhetorical comments.
As for your article, I read it. The article said the suspect was from Guatemala. It did not say he was an illegal immigrant. The other 1 had, as a said, either a Hispanic or Italian or European sounding last name.
I just report the facts and respond appropriately.

patriot said...

Mexifornia is not an inaccurate term as to what is happening here in California. It is starting to look a lot more like Mexico rather than the U.S. And you do support it because you support illegal aliens and that is why California is starting to look like Mexico. We have the largest illegal population in the country.

Where in your news articles does it say that any of the White arsonists were members of the MM with proof of that? Why are you not as outraged that one of the arsonists is an illegal alien Hispanic? The article I posted said he was a day laborer. I found numerous articles since then that stated he is an illegal alien.

What about the emergency supplies that were taken from Qualcom statium by illegal aliens? What about the news stories about illegals who were looting the burnt out homes and selling items that were not destroyed by the fires?

You know I don't really care the ethnicity of any of the arsonists. They are all garbage to me but you only want to bring up the anglo names and then without any proof you want to attach them to the MM and demonize the whole organization for it.

Ultima, mentioned that too but you wouldn't address that part of his posts nor would you address he statements about Mecha. You only addressed the points you wanted too.

Liquidmicro said...

Here, MeCHA is taking credit for the fires Radical Hispanic separatist organization MEChA ("Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan") is taking responsibility for setting the wildfires in California, confimed Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Kinda nullifies your MM and WS theories doesn't it??!!

Liquidmicro said...

From the article:

California officials received a letter earlier today containing photographs of individuals holding Molotov cocktails, then throwing them into dry brush. The faces of the individuals appeared to have been digitally distorted.

Also included was a rambling manifesto, stating that the reason for the act of arson was that "Aztlán belongs to indigenous people, the Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán. We are sovereign and not subject to a foreign culture."

Dee said...

Pat, Pat, Pat,
I like you because you are civil and we can discuss.
However, the issue with the term Mexifornia is, you are targetting legal citizens who are Hispanic. Shame on you for even saying this. Even Ulty recognizes the inappropriateness of this term and has promised not to use it again. Yet he does. (just like my grandson who gets the sparkle in his eye when he sees my crystal.)

The emergency supplies, as I showed you in the Univision video, were not stolen. Instead, the residence who did not have green cards who lost their homes, were also attacked and deported if they did not have green cards. This happened in 4 cases. No theft at all!!

Finally, re the MM arsonists, it was not me who posted these words. I merely report. The FBI is investigating. I do have some former MMs who are hesitant to go on record for obvious reasons but it is my understanding the FBI is investigating and will have confirmation out soon.

Liquidmicro said...

Dee said...

BTW Liquid,
Here is the REAL story our US Media is NOT reporting about the
"illegals arrested"


Actually a report from the same San Diego news-station on some undocumented immigrants who were caught selling clothes and supplies given to them by relief corps. Yesterday, some of our blog's readers connected the undocumented family who was accused of stealing from relief corps to the ones mentioned in this video, but we just wanted to point out that it's not clear that they are the same people.


From MATT blogs: Illegal immigrants and the S. CA Fires

patriot said...

dee, it is mostly due to illegal alien Hispanics that California looks more like Mexico than the U.S. now. Don't put words in my mouth.

You are giving the Univision version of the stolen emergency supplies. I believe them and the illegals just as much as you believe any anti source of news. Zilch!

And shame on you for claiming affiliation of the anglo arsonist with the MM as truth already when you yourself admit it is still under investigation. It doesn't matter anyway as Ultima pointed out and you ignored his comment, that you shouldn't demonize a whole organization for one rotten apple. The MM organization would never condone this horrendous act. What was that though about the Mecha charter statment again? Another one of Ultima's remarks you ignored.

Tony said...

Head LIE news. Check the domain people.

And folks give Dee crap about quoting Craigslist whereas the Minutemen supporters are just fabricating stories.

Speaks to their cause doesn't it?

patriot said...

Tony, Assuming you mean those of us in here are the MM supporters you are referring to, just what stories are we fabricating?

What are you a one hit wonder? You throw a punch and leave like a coward?

Liquidmicro said...

Actually Tony, Since you are famous and a comedian according to Dee, I thought since Dee and you had warm brown goo on the tips of each of your noses from each other, that somebody would catch it. Obviously you did and she didn't. The post is in regards to her statements about Rund being a MM and a WS with NO PROOF. Obviously you don't see the 'HUMOR' in the post. Too Bad. ;-(~

Liquidmicro said...

Tony, the Craigslist Ad isn't a fabricated story by the La Raza, Aztlanist, Mecha, Reconquista supporters?? Pray tell!!!

Dee said...

Thank you Tony.

Liquid, I am ashamed of you for posting that phony Mecha headline. I didn´t even see it til Tony mentioned it. What a ridiculous thing to do.

As I have said, I don´t make stuff up as you did Liquid. Shame on you!!

Dee said...

Pat, Shame on you for not commending Tony for his catch. Look at the Mecha link that Liquid provided. It said Head LIE news. It was a bogus website provided by Liquid pretending it was a real story. Shameful!!

Liquidmicro said...

No worse than your headline of "Minutemen Start California Fires!" from Craigslist!! Just goes to prove you are nothing more than ethnocentric and a hypocrite racist.

Liquidmicro said...

Besides, I didn't make it up, someone else did, I did the same as you by posting it, only I didn't keep on like you in the insinuation of MM's and WS's. How does it feel, do you like it??!!

Dee said...

Poor Liquid.
Your post was a lie.

My post is still being confirmed. The FBI is investigating and we should have confirmation soon.

patriot said...

dee, don't you wag your finger at me. I never read the Mecha link that liquid posted. Stop acting like you are a mother hen in here. We are adults not your children and I don't like being treated like a child by the likes of you.

I agree with liquid about your MM headline. It is bogus until proven to be true. You are a hypocrite yourself. You accuse others of doing the same that you are doing.

thepaintman said...

Does it matter on house insurance if your house burns down whether it was mother nature ( struck by lightning and set on fire) or intentionally set by so-called arsonists?

Will the insurance pay either way?

Dee said...

Pat,
Do you have a TX-Southern accent? Everytime you say things like that I always hear a TX accent.

patriot said...

I was born and have lived in California all my life, so how could I have a Texas accent?

Dee said...

Pat, I would love to hear your voice, especially when you say things like "don't you wag your finger at me."

LOL

Dee said...

What I find interesting is the proximity of the fires to the SDMM base of operations, Oceanside. Remember Jeff Schwilk´s predisposition with McGonical Canyon which is number 14 on the CA Fire Map.

Circling Oceanside are burn areas 10, 12, 13, 14 and 15. Also, in area 15 were the four burned, charred bodies of four illegal immigrants, killed either before or during the fire.

When you look at John Rund and remember he is a small business owner, outdoorsman who lives in Hesperia, just outside of San Bernardino, a thriving Hispanic community. This is near burn area 5. He also lives near burn areas 5, 6, 7, 8.

Think of Riperti, in Riverside, half-way between San Bernardino and Oceanside. Think of Daves, the arsonist who was shot by police, who lived just down the road, Highway 40, from Rund in San Bernardino.

All of these men were loners, on the internet. All had been charged with some type of violence in the past, as Schwilk has. All of them Minutemen? The evidence is being investigated by the FBI.

All of these coincidences just start to add up.

Then you remember Schwilk´s ominous letter to the Editorial page of the North County Times on October 6 which read in part, “Slowly but surely we are taking San Diego County back from the La Raza and socialist activists. Deportations of criminal aliens in the county are way up in the past year. More victories for the citizens lie ahead!”

Was he bragging and fortelling what his group was planning?

All interesting food for thought. Let´s hope and pray the FBI completes their investigations and arrests ALL of the guilty parties. I believe their time is short. The FBI knows and is closing in very quickly.

Dee said...

The 4 charred bodies were found in one of the migrant camps Schwilk and his MMs continue to attack. This camp was in burn area 15. The authorities are still determining the cause of death. (May have been murdered prior to fire)


SAN DIEGO - Four charred bodies were found Thursday in an apparent migrant camp burned by one of the wildfires raging across Southern California, authorities said Thursday.

If the fire was responsible for the deaths — which authorities said was not immediately certain — it would mean seven people have died in the flames that have consumed about 750 square miles and at least 1,800 homes since the weekend.

Border Patrol agents on routine patrol found the bodies in a wooded area near Barrett Junction, just east of San Diego and along the Mexican border, agency spokeswoman Gloria Chavez said. The area is near a major corridor for illegal immigrants who often walk hours or even days to cross into the United States from Mexico.

patriot said...

You are really trying to stretch things dee trying to make a connection between the MM and these fires. Having lived in So. California all my life, we have these fires EVERY year. It is because we don't get any rain all summer and when fall comes around the brush is so dry that a simple cigarette thrown out the window will ignite a blaze. Also that is when arsonists like to strike because they know of these dry conditions. These fires are normal for us this time of year.

The canyons are particulary vulnerable with all the brush in them. For you to try to pin this on the MM is ridiculous. Even if some wanted to rid the canyons of these migrants, they wouldn't go to that extreme and put American lives in jeapardy.

Your deep seated resentment towards any Americans for the rule of law nearly requires psychiatric treatment.

Dee said...

Pat, Methinks you doth protest too much.

I merely post the FACTS. The conclusion is obvious, even to you.

Dee said...

If the FBI confirms the MMs and Schwilk did this, they better start running and hiding now.

The Terminator is after them!!

If he nails Schwilk, I will vote for Ahhnold for President!!

patriot said...

You call the title of this topic, "Minutemen (plural) start California fires", the FACTS? Facts are supported by the truth. There is no proven truth in that.

I already told you that wildfires this time of year in So. California is normal. We also get those Santa Ana winds this time of year. The dry brush combined with those winds are the reason we have this problem EVERY year. It also brings out the nutcase arsonists because we are so vulnerable to fires this time of year.

I am not prostesting anything. I am giving you the facts and since you are so obsessed with the MM organization and anyone opposed to illegal immigration you look for things to blame them for. Yet you are a hypocrite because you claim that the anti's as you call them blame everything on the illegals. Look in the mirror, dee. You are doing the same thing!

Dee said...

Pat,
The Gov. has stated most of the fires were arson. That is a FACT.

I have layed out the facts, the timeline and the map. All Facts.

It is hard to argue with the facts.

Once the FBI completes its investigation and the Governor follows up, then those that committed these crimes will be fully exposed.

The facts are, the FBI and the police already know.

The perpetrators should be VERY afraid!!! The Terminator is NOT going to stop until he gets ALL of the Bad Guys!!

patriot said...

I have already stated that these conditions in the fall here in So. Calif. bring out the arsonists. But part of those facts do not include any facts that any MM were involved.

If I were the Minuteman Organization I would sue you for defamation of character for starting a topic such as you did in this blog claiming adamantly that any of their members were involved or that they would condone such behavior. You better be careful about making unproven accusations.

Dee said...

The FBI is on to the arsonists and have them in custody.

They will all be exposed soon enough.

patriot said...

Gee, not sheet! Exposed? They already have released most of their names to the media including those Hispanic ones.

Dee said...

Apparently you have not seen Arnold´s latest message. The terminator is taken down the whole GROUP of arsonists, very soon.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/27/fire.wildfire.ca/index.html

patriot said...

Good, all arsonists should be locked up for life, including those Hispanic ones too.

Dee said...

Consider the co-incidence:

MSNBC showed this week in pictures. The first picture was of the Valley Oaks mobile home park along Reche Road west of Interstate 15 Monday, Oct 22 near FALLBROOK, CA.

Then I remembered Schwilk´s Oct. 6, 2007 ominous letter to the Editor in which he referenced “We also targeted St. Peter's church in FALLBROOK for running a formal hiring center for 30 to 50 [day laborers, who we believe are] mostly illegal aliens, on church property next to their preschool” and “An alien migrant CAMPER, Jesus Nava, was arrested for the crime”. Where did this all occur? FALLBROOK, CA.

patriot said...

As I said, there is no coincidence. These fires occur in So. Calif. every year and combined with the Santa Ana winds it spreads everywhere. True, it brings the arsonists out of the closet but these fires were not racially motivated. Why would any group jeapordize the lives of thousands of American citizens and their property for that? The fires were in three different counties, not just one.

Why did some Hispanics start some fires? Explain that one!

Go talk to your priest, dee. You are in need of help.

Anonymous said...

Here are the numbers for Michael Chertoff at Homeland Security.

Good morning Michael - it's a new day! The American Tax Payers who pay your salary, want you to actually do your job! Suprise!

Build the Fence! We will be checking daily on it's progress!

Contact Us
Citizen Line
Operator Number: 202-282-8000
Comment Line: 202-282-8495
Mailing Address
U.S. Department of Homeland Security
Washington, D.C. 20528

Anonymous said...

http://www.jbs.org/node/5934

This illegal crap along with lax borders is only for the SPP and NAU, here is the link from the john birch society.. America, drill these political treasonists into the ground and command your elected officials to seal our borders with mexico and canada, we must defeat the SPP and NAU in order to protect our soverenty.. screw the dems\communists and the 'la raza' racist bastards and their political sneaks in office, we must vote these bastards out on their asses or it will be civil war for sure..

Anonymous said...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95871,00.html

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/Bustamante-Cruz.html

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/node/1226

Here are a few more links on this, I'd say all of these are legit sources.. America, close the borders already, quit screwing around!!!!

Dee said...

Anon,
I think you posted this junk on the wrong Post. This one is about the Minutemen starting the California fire.

It looks like these links are your so called proof of the reconquista sheconquista bull.

First of all, it was the terrorist ANTI site American Patrol that is inciting hate and violence that started this vicious bad rumor. Why would I take any url from them as a valid source? Yikes!!

Anonymous said...

Dee, you are an enemy of our soverenty plain and simple.. the links posted are truthful, illegals are leaches to our tax dollars and have turned L.A. into a war zone, stop covering this up, the entire nation knows the truth.. you are a joke!!!!

Anonymous said...

One more thing Dee.. Many 'raza or race' politicians have been connected to la raza and mecha in the southwest and we have exposed this to our congressmen and women, this is fact!!! they have said out loud in public that they want a mexican majority through illegal means and they do not care!! These groups are an enemy to the United States. I don't care about their aztlan belief!! We won the war for the southwest and if we have to, we will kick their asses again!!! These traitors use our tax money to fund illegal lawlessness and the slaughter of American citizens!!!
At least the minutemen are getting us Americans to fund the fence, are you doing anything to fund our soverenty??? NO because you are an enemy to our soverenty!!! we've had enough of this BS!!!

Dee said...

Anon,
You are losing it.
Patriotic Americans like me seek Truth and Justice and the American Way. We seek to understand then to be understood. That is why I do so much research.

The reason you are so upset by this is the truth and facts are different than the ANTI rhetoric you are used to.

John said...

This article is nice.NONE of your articles state he is a Minuteman or White Supremest, only your CRAIGSLIST ad does. If you are going to believe anything, at least link to credible information, otherwise I have a bridge to sell to you at a fair price!!
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johntaylor

california dui

Anonymous said...

Fuck mexifornia, fuck those who support mexifornia, and fuck all illegal (ill;not: legal;lawful) immigrants. We should build extermination camps for those that approve of a mexifornia, and slaughtor houses for illegals. senator karrack osama along with celery hilton and trident (biden) are all sociallist communist, "GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND GO TO CHINA YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES, BRING ALL YOUR LITTLE GYPSIE FOLLOWERS WITH YOU TOO, NEVER RETURN.

Anonymous said...

I WANT YOU EXTERMINATED DEE, YOU DO NOT BELONG IN OUR SOCIETY, PRETTY SOON WE'LL BE USING SHIT BAGS SUCH AS YOUR SELF AS A THING THAT WILL TAKE ALL RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR ACTIONS. [DEE & YOUR CRONIE SHIT BAGS]. WE WILL SILENCE YOU AND YOUR RASCALS VERY QUICKELY AND EXTREMELY RUTHLESSLY. I.E- STOVES, FURNACE, LABOUR, DRAGGING FROM A HIGH SPEEDING VEHICLE, SLAUGHTOR HOUSES, STARVATION, MACRO- LARGE EXTREMETIES I.E. THE ARM, TEASING, AND ROUND UPS ECT....

FUCK YOU dee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CUNT!!!!!!!!!

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