Tuesday, December 29, 2009

Right Wing Extremists Lying. Abdullajab's Visa Issued 2 Years Ago.

It is maddening to read some of the right wing extremists' hate sites and see how they are lying about the terrorist attempt on Flight 253 and use it to fuel their hatred against President Obama and Janet Napolitano. William from Alipac.us asks the question: "Is it Treason? Homeland Security issued a visa to a man on the terrorist watch list that would be consider an "enemy combatant" during a time of war. Is it Treason or do you think that word goes to far?" All of his blind followers agree with William.
The Hate Sites are spreading LIES! The Visa was issued 2 years ago, not recently. True Americans DO NOT follow those who LIE and misrepresent the facts.
True Americans are NOT the followers of lying gossip. True Americans read the facts about when Abdulmuttalab's Visa was issued and the report his parents provided to their local embassy. True Americans search for the truth and support our President and our leaders during these times of War.
Yesterday the State Department told journalists that the father of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab went to the U.S. Embassy in Abuja on Nov. 19 to share concerns about his son's radicalization. Abdulmutallab had already received a two-year U.S. visa back in June 2008, some 17 months before, spokesman Ian Kelly said. At the time the visa was issued, Kelly said, "there was nothing in his application nor in any database at the time that would indicate that he should not receive a visa. He was a student at a very reputable school. He had plenty of financial resources, so he was not an intending immigrant. There was no derogatory information about him last year — last June — that would indicate that he shouldn’t get a visa, so we issued the visa."
After the father's Nov 19, 2009 visit, the State Dept. then sent what it calls a "Visas Viper" report on Abdulmutallab generated from the interview to the National Counterterrorism Center. What happened after that? POLITICO's Carol E. Lee talked to a source familiar with the watch list process and reports: "Once Abdulmutallab's dad went to the embassy Nov. 19 and made a complaint, a report was generated and sent to NCTC. "Once NCTC receives such a report, an intelligence analyst checks to see if the person has any other associations in the database. If it’s the first time the person’s name is coming up, NCTC creates a record under the person’s name, as was done with Abdulmutallab, and that name is added to the TIDE [Terrorism Identities Datamart Environment] list. Agencies across the federal government have access to TIDE. "Once a person is added to TIDE, as Abdulmutallab was, an intelligence analyst determines if there is 'reasonable suspicion' that he is engaged or intends to engage in a terrorist attack. If the person is found to have “reasonable suspicion,” then an unclassified list with that person’s name on it is sent to the Terrorist Screening Center. That did not happen with Abdulmutallab because the intelligence analyst at NCTC did not find 'reasonable suspicion' based on the State Department report, which the source said consisted only of what the Nigerian man’s father said — that he was concerned about his son.


MMPete said...

I think calling any right wing group "haters or not true Americans" is also going too far. Let us practice what we preach, shall we?

There are just as many blind followers on the left as on the right.

MMPete said...

I found this to be interesting about Napolitano's appearence on the Today Show. Wonder what she meant by "the system didn't work?"

Napolitano came under fire after she said Sunday that "the system worked," noting the crew of Flight 253 "took appropriate action" to address the terrorist plot as it unfolded.

But her remarks were met with instant criticism, prompting the Homeland Security chief to clarify herself during a round of media appearances Monday morning.

The secretary then conceded on Monday that the system did not work.

“Our system did not work in this instance," Napolitano told "The Today Show."

I Travel for JOOLS said...

Right wing extremist hate sites? How about people who fear for their friggin lives? Napolitano and Obama screwed up royally. The Visa could and should have been rescinded ! I don't know about you, but I'm supposed to be getting on a plane in the next few days with my daughter, my son-in-law, my grandchildren and I don't have one ounce of confidence that we'll be safe. That's the friggin bottom line !

MMPete said...

It is amazing what one can find out when they dig on their own, isn't it? I never read much about this man's visa being questioned but this was what was cause for concern and it wasn't a lie.

The alleged father of a Nigerian man charged with trying to blow up a Northwest Airlines plane on Christmas Day reportedly warned the U.S. about his son's fanatical religious views and activities, the New York Post reported.

Alhaji Umaru Mutallab, believed to be the suspected terrorist's father, told a Nigerian news outlet that six months ago he alerted the U.S. Embassy to his son's fanatical religious views, the Post reported.

He allegedly told Nigerian newspaper This Day that he had informed both the U.S. Embassy and the Nigerian security services of his 23-year-old son Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab's activities, the Post reported.

The U.S. government did create a file on Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab in the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment, the intelligence community's main repository of information on known and suspected international terrorists, in November 2009, Reuters reported.

Minute Man Pete said...

keep up the great work!

the real minute man pete

Liquidmicro said...

I commend you on this one Dee, you actually have halfway decent info on this topic, to bad Prerna at Change is inept with chasing down correct info. Instead she chooses to create a strawman argument which has nothing to do with the actual situation.

ultima said...

I believe this entire post is irrelevant. If the Ambassador to Nigeria had the authority to revoke the visa he should have done so whether it was issued the day before the flight or 5 years ago.

Napo clearly fumbled the ball on this one as well as her response on Meet the Press or This Week. Although Obama on the one hand defends her, on the other he clearly is upset by the failure of the system and that my friends, is clearly coming to roost on Napo's doorstep.

Dee said...

The issue is last month's complaint (Nov 19) from his father. Did it alarm the people that heard it sufficiently enough to pull Abdulmuttalab's visa or did they hear it as a missing person's complaint by a concerned father.
Neither the Embassador nor the NCTC thought the former. They viewed it as a missing person's complaint by a concerned father.

This can hardly be seen as a "ding" against Janet Napolitano or the process.

If so, there are +500,000 complaints/referrals like this received a month by the NCTC. Many of them international. Is that your proposal? Stop anyone/everyone from flying into the U.S.? Build a wall. Surround the country? Just curious.

Dee said...

I don't blame you for being afraid. But I don't blame Obama or Janet Napolitano for this. I blame al-qaeda.

I go back to, how on earth to they brainwash these young, rich people to kill themselves and 287+ innocent people? How do they do it? How do you rationalize it? How are they so effective? How do we combat that??

Dee said...

When I hear the shock jocks and the hate sites "blah" on and on about blaming Obama, Janet and others, I never hear one word about the fact that this incident occurred overseas. They are treating this incident as if it happened domestically.
I totally agree with you, 100%!!! for this portion of your statement on Prerna's blog:
"It is actually (their) airport security which failed as he was allowed to purchase a flight with cash and no passport along with checking NO luggage, red flags should have been all over this at the ticket counter in NIGERIA and AMSTERDAM"

MMPete said...

You mentioned a wall first so here are my comments on it. What is wrong with having a wall in the most porous places on our borders just as long as there are legal ports of entry along the way? Not that this has anything to do with this particular case but you are the one who brought it up. It does help deter illegal entry by unathorized people such as criminals and terrorists. We must do everything we can to secure our country.

MMPete said...

Minute Man Pete, who are you? I am not familiar with another Pete on our border. Perhaps in another sector or state?

ultima said...

The questions are: who had the authority to revoke that visa and why did they?

ultima said...

I think that with modern technology there is no reason why a reasonably intelligent ambassador could not have identified this individual and revoked his visa.

Now that this event has happened we will see how easy it is to begin to put more people on the no fly list and to give intense attention to those who come from countries that support terrorism. I see very little reason why anyone from those countries should be allowed to travel here. That would certainly send them a message. At least, each applicant should be required to provide evidence why he or she should be allowed to travel to the U.S., in other words you can't get a visa unless you can show that you have legitimate business in the U.S. that will benefit us in some way.

Napo is at fault for not undertaking the things that are now being done or considered. She failed to provide adequate instructions to ambassadors in the countries now under intense scrutiny. If it happens on your watch, you are to blame. Napo needs to go.

ultima said...

"...this incident occurred overseas."

Well yes, that's why we have ambassadors and embassies to nip these problems in the bud. This guy would have sailed through our security too. The problem is a lack of leadership and initiative on this end that resulted in a failure to tighten up the rules before the fact. I believe the recommendations of the 9/11 commission have still not been fully implemented. Whose fault is that? Certainly not anyone at the airports in Nigeria or Amsterdam.

ultima said...

Dee wrote, "...Stop anyone/everyone from flying into the U.S.? Build a wall. Surround the country?"

No, that is not what I have in mind. After 9/11, there should have been no way this terrorist could get on an airplane to the U.S. He should have been on the no fly list immediately following his father's statements about his son's extremism. I utterly amazed that two more incidents occurred after 9/11. What were those in charge thinking? I'm not sure any people from terrorist nations should be allowed on U.S. bound planes. At least our procedures for those countrie should be very restrictive. The exceptions should be granted only to those who have been thoroughly vetted and who have a demonstrable good reason for coming to the U.S.

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