Guest Voz - Minuteman X (just received today!): "I just received an update on the BPAUX MCCI Minutemen. They are on the verge of being evicted from their camp in San Diego and are attempting to move their whole money making operation to Arizona because they feel they can generate more donations there with current anti-immigrant sympathies running so strong. The leaders of the BPAUX are also apparently under investigation for weapons trafficking in San Diego. It has long been suspected that their real motive for positioning themselves so close tot he border was profiting from the weapons and possibly narcotics trade plaguing the area. More to come on this."
Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Guest Voz - Minuteman X: The Demise of BPAUX MCCI Minutemen!
Guest Voz - Minuteman X (just received today!): "I just received an update on the BPAUX MCCI Minutemen. They are on the verge of being evicted from their camp in San Diego and are attempting to move their whole money making operation to Arizona because they feel they can generate more donations there with current anti-immigrant sympathies running so strong. The leaders of the BPAUX are also apparently under investigation for weapons trafficking in San Diego. It has long been suspected that their real motive for positioning themselves so close tot he border was profiting from the weapons and possibly narcotics trade plaguing the area. More to come on this."
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The leaders of the Minutemen in california, or BPAUX as they now call themselves are listed as Carl Braun and Ken Dreger, though they apparently are just continuing what an older generation Minuteman named Jim Chase started in 2005. He was reported as receiving in home care for a nervous breakdown received from his years with the post office. The new leaders apparently turned this whole operation into a Patriot driven money maker by offering varying levels of financial sponsorship even using some professional fund raising techniques such as naming sponsor levels after Patriotic figures. Foe example one can join at the "Ulysses S. Grant" level for $100 a month. Where the money really goes is anyone's guess. Given that they rent a camp form a private individual it would make sense that a large portion is kicked back directly to them. Neither one seems to have steady gainful employment. Smuggling guns and drugs though... hmmm.... I think they would get in trouble for that! I want to know more!!! Please keep us all posted.
Ken Dreger actually has a Century 21 Real Estate office or is associated with one in Temecula California. In addition to being part of of William Gheen's defamation efforts against the publishers of Immigration Clearinghouse.
A nasty little man.
Dee-
Well, again your information is totally incorrect. I know where this information is coming from and is totally a lie. A former BPAUX person who was dismissed for his behavior is spreading these lies because we in National Leadership voted to remove him from our organization for various reasons. Camp Vigilance is stronger than ever and is not going anyplace. The idea of trafficking in Arms is so ridiculous I would of hoped you did some basic research to find out the facts before you posted this libelous and slanderous information, it only discredits your reputation. You should of also checked the source prior to letting this information be on her web site. There was a issue during a Arizona operation that caused National Leadership to revisit the leadership in Arizona and that issue has been resolved. It had absolutely nothing to do with any illegal Arms or money scam, it had to do with basic leadership or the lack thereof.
There are no funds from MCCI or BPAUX that go to any of the leadership teams, never has & never will. We operate strictly on a volunteer basis and DONATE our time and money to keep this effort going contrary to the postings of a (Anonymous) poster who failed to give his real name. The fees that are charged at Camp Vigilance go toward the overhead ONLY of maintaining camp which you can clearly see as published online if you look. As you can clearly see it takes about $2,000.00 per month to keep camp going which includes Rent, utilities, maint, insurance etc. Those donations come from regular people who know where the money goes every month and are happy to help pay the bills.
In the future you can contact us personally prior to posting any of these false statements and we will clarify anything you might have questions on.
Respectfully,
Ken Dreger Co-Founder & National Leadership Team BPAUX
Mr. Dreger,
Minuteman X has written to me for over a year now. He is a former leader of the MMs and is still on the mailing lists with other MM Leaders and BPAUX.
So far he has been very accurate with his reports, from writing about in-fighting between Jeff Schwilk and other MM leaders; sharing inside emails; sharing dates for various vigilante type events; etc.
I have made it very clear, I am not writing what he shares; I am merely posting what he is sharing as a "Guest Voz."
Well, that may very well be true Dee, but this information is totally false, and shows not factual evidence of how this person derives his statements. I can say the moon is Blue Cheese but without factual evidence it is just my own opinion. Your Ex-Minuteman has no proof of any of this, he is making false claims in on the your web site. I realize we differ in opinions Dee, but you try hard to be factual in your postings this poster is making all this information up. I would be happy to contest anything factual this poster may have that he or she can provide to you and if I cannot give you the answer I will find someone who can.
Respectfully,
Ken/Jeff,
I will ask Minuteman X to reply.
Minuteman X, please reply to Ken's response. Add any proof/reference/email you would like as your rebuttal.
Hilarious report, Dee. As usual we can always count on you for the "inside" scoop!
Open Border Goon X is one of thousands on the SDMM email list. He gets exactly the emails I want him to get. :-)
There is no infighting between any group LEADERS in Cali, never has been. Jim Gilchrist was kicked out of our movement 3 years ago for dishonorable and dangerous conduct - namely having Shawna Forde as his Border Director. Jim was warned repeatedly about her and his other criminal associations, but he sent her $200 to go to Arizona in May 2009 and soon after she murdered a little girl and her father. Gilchrist has blood on his hands and the whole world knows it!
Again, goon X got to see our emails to Gilly because we wanted him to see them.
While Dee and Goon X are obsessed with campfires and bar-b-ques at Camp V, thousands of Patriots and dozens of Patriot groups are kicking the shit out of the liberal open borders groups in Cali. Read it and weep - www.SoCalPatriots.com
Night, night Sunshine.
Still waiting for some type of proof of these claims....
Respectfully
Proof? OK. I have heard in verbal conversation from insiders still at their camp that they are not getting sufficient donations to remain there and that the camp owner's wife wants them out because they "creep her out". They have in fact started an Arizona chapter after the popular SB1070 bill came out headed by an AZ resident. To date, I have no knowledge of anything they have done at the border to support their claims that they secured it. They make flags, public spectacles that are reminiscent of Nazi propaganda gatherings, and go shoot at the border fence, this they really did do at a place they call the gun club. You can go there and see the bullet holes in the border fence for yourself as well as pictures they post of them pointing guns into Mexico. They mostly just seem to promote themselves online and ask for the money. So if you want me to defend what I shared with Dee further please ask. Maybe I can use smaller words so the Minutemen can understand.
The Minutemen seem terrified of Minuteman X. I fear for his/her safety after seeing the amount of guns these nuts have. They dress up like tan uniformed nazis and run around the border shooting everything in sight. I dont know how the real border patrol or FBI allow this. I guess their bullshit just works on them or something.
Dee, any news from your Minuteman Source? If this person does not respond I respectfully request you remove this article based on lack of proof please. If in the future you have these types of postings you can always contact myself for accurate verification.
Respectfully,
Ken Dreger
Ken/Jeff,
As you can see, Minuteman X has responded to your allegations about him. He is standing firm on what he is saying.
As I have said, he has been e-mailing me for over a Year and his allegations have come to fruition time after time.
Please see his most recent comment.
Please respond to him here in the comment section to request more proof.
Dee, also if you want some factual information please ask those people who are in the movement, they know what is actually happening. Your Minutman-x seems to make up a lot of mis-information and it only discredits your site I think. If you have questions about MCCI & BPAUX please feel free to contact me with them. As you can see fromn these and other postings we don't have anything to hide Dee, you or anyone askes and we will try hard to respond to the best of our ability.
Since Mr. Ken Dreger, Co-Founder & National Leadership Team BPAUX speaks so honorably about the Southern California operations of the minutemen, and since the operations are receiving funds from the public, can he publish financial statements, properly audited by a reputable auditing firm, for his allegations?
Since Mr. Ken Dreger, Co-Founder & National Leadership Team BPAUX speaks so honorably about the Southern California operations of the minutemen, and since the operations are receiving funds from the public, can he publish financial statements, properly audited by a reputable auditing firm, for his allegations?
If I write anonymously, I'd just like to mention that the guys calling themselves minutemen regularly use high powered firearms!
Sure, to date we have a whopping 438.14 in our bank account! Big frigging deal.....and nobody uses long rifles in the field as a offensive weapon! That was garbage that a very creative writter put into a article he wrote on us. If you would like to pay for a audit of these funds we would be happy to have it done...
Dee, I would hardly call this proof, factual evidence is what we were looking for that makes the comments stand on their own. As you can clearly see this is just here say.
So to set the record straight:
The owner of the property is a Minuteman and part of the movement! His wife is totally behind what we all do and regularly partakes in meals with all of us. To say that we creep her out is saying her husband also creeps her out! I have known the owners for 5+ years and they are fine Americans who stand strong with us and our movement.
As you can see from the web site it takes funding to pay the bills for camp, approx $2100 per month. Donations are stronger than ever and we are able to make our financial commitments on time every month. We are actually making money from these postings because of what people are reading about us, so thank you very much for your indirect support of our efforts.
I think your informant is trying to refer to BPAUX in his comment about Arizona but it is not clear so I will assume it is: BPAUX in Arizona does not make flags, does not build fences. We just completed a operation on late October and it was a very successful event. We don’t publish these for the public because of the dangerous area. We also never do anything in public, as that would be a political statement and we are forbidden from involving ourselves in any political movements as per IRS rules.
Yes we do attend a Gun club here in CA which we are members of. The Private Gun club has been there for some 30+ years and has the range point toward the South. Many groups and agencies & private citizens use it for the sole purpose of target practice and range safety which are usually supervised by NRA trainers. And yes there are holes in that fence made by hundreds of people every year and you have to point your gun south to hit a target.
We have a very low key promotional program in place, it is just enough to help us get additional members and to raise minimal funding for the program.
And no, there is no need to use smaller words, your comments are very clear that you still have no clue about who we are from a firsthand experience like you stated in a previous posting about attending meetings.
We don’t dress up like Nazis, our uniforms conform to what Border Patrol has jointly agreed upon that would be best in our areas, standard 511 clothing that can be purchased anyplace.
And actually the BP, local Sheriff’s ICE & CBP have no problem with our groups, after 5+ years of jointly working with these agencies we have sound working relationships with all of them. During a flag raising this last summer we had 13 local Sheriff’s at the event that partook in the event and ate with and supported all we do. (they were there because it was reported to them that the people who objected to what we do were going to protest our activities and they wanted to ensure we had adequate security for the event)
And maybe this Minuteman-x should look at what we do in Puerto Rico with our “Spanish Speaking Members” there how help educate kids in school about the bad effects of DRUGS!
Unless you have some specific data that you can provide I find this conversation closed and resolved.
And yes I would like you to share any additional information with me if you would, my cell number is 951 837 9890 or you can email me at ken.dreger@bpaux.org I would be happy to clarify any issues you might have with this movement.
Kdreger "We don't participate in political demonstrations because it violates IRS rules."
Then how come they host political BBQ with all republican speakers on an annual basis? Someone call the IRS. It also sounds like they made their own private security force that would be governed by the BSIS in California. Do they have a permit for this security force? Kdreger? Anyone?
I have posted more proof if the blog owner can kindly verify and post you will see that Kdreger continues to lie.
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/tactical-weapons/patriots-on-patrol/
There's another link to proof that the minutemen are on the border with assault weapons, some of which are probably not legal in California.
Reply to continued mis-information-
First of all BSIS excludes Non-profits from being licensed when doing private security, check it out for yourself please. As for the article in the gun magazine those arms are legal in CA, they are not assault weapons, again do your homework. And as for the BBQ, well BPAUX provided security for the event, which can be a common practice without being politically involved. So, “Anonymous how about a REAL name here and show your colors? Or do you just wish to throw out a continual stream of misinformation to try and get a rise from someone? Your true color show when you don’t do your homework. How about taking some time to actually go to the web site and READ about the organization? Or is that too much to ask?
I also would like to thank all of you here, you have been a great fundraising promotional project. Our bank account has been growing daily by your postings here and our membership is also increasing! Thank you everyone…….
response to the issue about BPAUX needing a BSIS License this is a email we got from them back in 2008 that proves we do not need one.
Per our telephone conversation and from the information that you have
provided me with, Section 7582.2 (d) of the Private Security Service's Act
in the California Business and Profession's Code is applicable to your
entity "Border Patrol Auxiliary". Border Patrol Auxiliary is exempt from
having to be licensed as a Private Patrol Operator.
Bureau of Security and Investigative Services
Policy Unit
Noop,
A little confused by your last comment. Are you saying that you received and email from the BSIS license group?
I wasn't sure based on your last comment.
If so, please forward the email from that group (with their email) to dee_perezscott@yahoo.com and I will post the email in its entirety. Please include the email address so we can validate it with the sender.
So, since we have provided all this information will you revise this posting and or delete it? As you can see from the documentation we provided oour organization is ligitimate and is not what these posters are claiming it to be Dee.
There is no way we would jepordize the non-profit corp with anything illegal. I would rather turn BPAUX over to another non profit if there was any chance of it being outside the law.
Respectfully,
Actually Ken,
You didn't respond to Minuteman X. He is referencing current activity. You referenced an OLD email from 2008.
Please respond to Minuteman X's allegations. This is between you and him.
Kdreger side stepped the issues raised in my opinion. He has contradicted himself by stating that BPAUX doesn't use rifles at the border then said they do but they are California legal rifles, like that makes a difference. I keep posting what I feel is proof to back my statements and he keeps posting replies that don't address them. Here are more links to pictures the bPAUX posted themselves of their illegal police force with rifles shooting at the border.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=294772
http://www.facebook.com/pages/US-Border-Patrol-Auxiliary/111638355528699?v=wall&filter=1
So part of my problem with his statements is that he calls me a liar and demands the blog owner remove the record yet contradicts his own statements with what I can only call lies.
I also checked further with the BSIS and Kdreger is also not being completely truthful about the bPAUX status with them. A non-profit is not exempt from having a patrol operators permit if they provide security outside their own operation. They certainly dont allow them to wear homemade border patrol uniforms and run around the border with rifles. And he can keep claiming that bpaux is not a political group. but I dont think they will stand up to an IRS audit on the matter. i also cant really even see that they do anything that even helps the border patrol that they impersonate, other than their own self promoting claims. If the blog owner feels that my statements are false, she can certainly choose to refute or remove anything I say. I am just a guest here trying to get at the truth.
Oh one more thing, I really did infiltrate the bpaux as a member, which was as easy as paying them $50. And I did really get taken aside and shown nazi war memorabilia and told that they really knew how to deal with inferior races. I just couldnt sit here and make this stuff up. And wouldnt bother to post any of it if it wasnt true.
Dee, I don't see anything that I have not responded to on your web site. I have replied to every allegation & lie posted by everyone. If you can repost the specific one I would be happy to reply. THe email I sent to you addressed the BSIS issue that was his big deal.
Ken,
I did not publish your last comment because you included your private cell number and you should keep that private.
This discussion has been primarily between you and Minuteman X and if you choose to stop the discussion between the two of you in this post, that is fine and you can consider your discussion closed.
Dee, it seems that these people just don't want to listen to reality or have some hidden agenda. As for posting my cell number all anybody ever has to do is Google me and it is public I am not worried about it. I have dealt with these goons for years now and I know we won't change how or why they think the crazy way they do but it really does help us gain membership and much needed funds. We just a new member today from his Google search and found your web site and decided that what we are doing was something that interested him, he is a ICE agent now and wants to be active with us so we welcome that great experience to our org. I consider this discussion closed, not that I have already answered all the questions, but that the folks asking are not polite enough to reveal themselves.
Respectfully,
Ken Dreger
National Leadership Team BPAUX & Co-Founder
Ken,
I do believe that the discussion between you and Minuteman X has been a good one.
While you have gained one new member, my open, and unbiased site has gained hundreds of new viewers -- viewing your discussion between you and Minuteman X. As my long time viewers know, my site has over 12,000 viewers per month from every state in the country and in many countries around the world.
My site was established as a site where both sides can debate. I invite you and I invite Minuteman X to discuss, disagree and for all to view this discussion. That is what my site is all about. Honest and civil discussion by both sides and let the viewers decide. That is the American Way!
MCCI & BPAUX have no relationship to the original California Border groups USBPA, BWF and California Minutemen Founded by Jim Chase. Jim Chase finished the Minuteman mission which was to alert the public to what is going on along the border and therefore shut down CMM. "I was not on the border for money but for service to the people" James L Chase Jim has done Ghillie Suit observations on the border since CMM. Britt Craig can verify that Jim drops by now and again. Jim is on to other projects in his spare time. You can catch one of his programs presently at www.youtube.com/lonewolfmilitia training to survive and thrive in incase of any break down of society. He doesn't take donations and funds his op's via his Land Business thus no need to be overt.
This guy sounds like a nutjob. Gilly suit operations? Quite delusional. Are all these BPAUX minutemen that crazy?
Update to Bpaux scam group saga. One of their members is under indictment for fundraising scam charges. He appears to have tried to defraud firemen in a scam he ran from Michigan. Heres a link to the story\ about this bpaux leader.
http://www.elightbars.org/f56/negative-pmmatchett-12486/index3.html
This is very disturbing, and is being looked into ASAP. This person has NOT been authorized by BPAUX to collect any funding for our organization. All fundraising is done at the National level and we do not have any of our members do individual fundraising for our efforts. People may donate to our organization just like any other organization, but that is done on a individual basis and not from any one person and this member has not been authorized to perform these tasks.
We have sent a request to him to fully explain this thread to us and all the details. This matter will be resolved, and we would like to apoligize to everyone here if any member of our organization has done anything against our policies.
Respectfully
Ken Dreger
National Leadership
Update on your concerns from the member:
"what it is, is that a girl i was dating got mad at me and after we had split up she got some equipment sent to her under my name. I was in the process of getting everyone what was owed to them when I started to get threatening phone calls and harassing e-mails. I have talked to the state police and they pretty much said that its a civil matter and I would have to talk with a layer. As far as fundraisning for BPAUX I have never done any fund raising. The link you sent me was quite a surprise as well, I have since disabled it. And asked the website to please deleat my information from there website. So all I know is all this BS is because she said a bunch of things about me that were not true, and almost cost me my job."
This should again clarify any concerns you have.
Ken Dreger is not the admin of this blog... he's a scammer. Now that one of his flock got caught he's trying to distance himself. The BPAUX was a scam from the beginning. Their operative in Arizona Shawna Forde has been sentenced to dearth for murdering a little girl.
What a load of crap, the ADMIN account name is just a name I use on my Blogger accounts get a grip. And as you all know and have known for a long time Forde was never a part of any CA operations. Keep on with the lies, it only shows how uninformed you actually are.
I've seen pictures of shawna forde training with the BPAUX too.
Really, show them to us!
Okay, here's the link to Shawna Forde running operations from the control center at the BPAUX camp vigilance.
http://mexicotrucker.com/en/those-who-protest-the-loudest-carry-the-most-guilt
Thanks for asking that this get posted.
Is there any way the blog owner can post the Shawna Forde BPAUX pictures in the link provided?
http://mexicotrucker.com/en/those-who-protest-the-loudest-carry-the-most-guilt
Response to Anonymous, Very old news, and as it was explained when the photo came out this is when she and her friends lied their way onto camp by providing false ID. She talked her way into the Comm center and they took photos of sensitive areas. There was no operations going on at that time, the only person at camp was our new caretaker who did not know who she was, and only saw that she had a MM ID card from another organization. Once the care taker notified myself of her presence I instructed him to escort them immediately off of the property and that they were not allowed to be there any longer. They were on the property for about 20 minutes only, and never were ther prior or after. This is old news, and it was resolved years ago.
Again guys, get your facts clear. You can keep trying to discredit any org, and we will keep coming back with the truth. Postings like this only show how low you will try to go by telling people lies and making comments that are not factual.
Sorry, that might of been an hour she was at camp, but if you look close at where she is sitting it shows a orange sticker on the radio on the table, thos radios are the dead radios that are stored in a box on the shelf. Also hand held radios do not work inside the METAL Trailer! So, again this is totally false.
Well, it has been over a year since your "minuteman X" declared that Camp Vigilance was shutting down and he was sure of it and you believed him! Well, like I said it was not and again your information was False.
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