Teaparty Hate Group Leader William Gheen of Alipac Advocates Violence in the Streets!

(A Big Thanks to Immigration Clearinghouse and America's Voice for a heads-up re: this news)
Teaparty Hate Group Leader William Gheen of Alipac Advocates Violence in the Streets!
William Gheen is advocating Illegal and VIOLENT activity in the Streets of America over the President's decision to have Homeland Security and ICE focus on deporting Felonious Criminals versus Students and Workers and is now calling our President "Dictator Obama" and advocating his members do the same! Gheen leads the extreme far right Tea Party group "Alipac." According to the ADL, Alipac is a HATE Group.
(Double-Click on picture for a closer view of Gheen's rants - screenshots from his site)
During a recent radio interview, Gheen said, "We’re no longer referring to him as President Barack Obama, our national organization has made the decision and made the announcement we now refer to him as Dictator Barack Obama. That’s what he is. And basically at this point, if you’re looking for a peaceful political recourse, there really isn’t one that we can think of, and I’m really not sure what to tell people out there other than I guess they need to make decisions soon to just accept whatever comes next or some type of extra-political activities that I can’t really talk about because they’re all illegal and violent."

He also posted on his Hate Group discussion board under his alias, Alipac President, "If we make peaceful revolution impossible, we make violent revolution inevitable."

In the meantime, his even scarier/violent followers are posting outwardly RACIST pictures of our President!
As we move closer to the 2012 election, these scary/violent extremists are coming out of the woodwork and becoming very blatant in their speech! It is time for the FBI to step in and further investigate these kooks before they act upon their own words!

Pathetic Phoenix Rising Rally in support of sb1070 is a DUD!!! Racist Barbara Coe Advocates Violence!

As alipac's Willie Gheen predicted, yesterday's Phoenix Rising rally in support of sb1070 was a DUD! Attendance was much smaller than predicted. Only 700 were in attendance. Dan Smeriglio, head of the group Voice of the People, organized the event. According to William Gheen, Smeriglio is linked to White Nationalists & Neo-Nazis.


Barbara Coe, leader of the Hate Group California Coalition for Immigration Reform was also in attendance. Coe spoke to the crowd threatening: “It is now our responsibility to stand up and be counted,’’ she said to cheers. “This is our turning point. The traitors have underestimated the power of Americans. No mas. … God forbid it should come to this but if it should come to this, lock and load.” Joe Arpaio was a key note speaker as well as Tom Tancredo. When asked about the small number in attendance Arpaio told the reporter, "it don't matter."



As usual at all rallies in support of sb1070, nary a minority was present except for a paid (?) speaker or two. There were also a number of Obama haters carrying signs plus a few gun toting yahoos and a skinhead or two. Pretty pathetic!

The ANTI Immigration Reform Movement is Destroying Itself and InFighting is coming to a head at SB1070 Phoenix Rising Rally

As I previously reported, Alipac's William Gheen withdrew his organization's support of the SB1070 Phoenix Rising Rally which is scheduled on June 5, 2010. His reasons include his discovery that racist groups are involved in setting up the Rally and Tancredo knows this but supports them anyway. Gheen's charges are pointed specifically towards Dan Smeriglio. As proof, Gheen pointed to Smeriglio's own Facebook pages with several well known racist groups as friends. Smeriglio charged back that with his popularity, he had no way of knowing the racist associations his "facebook friends" had.

The argument has heightened with charges flowing back and forth between Gheen's Alipac site and Digger's Realm website, a website belonging to Smeriglio's close friend and confidante Digger Dan Amato. In a recent web posting, Digger layed out a detailed analysis of why Gheen actually withdrew from the rally. Here is Digger's detailed explanation, but in brief, he said:
1. Gheen is an opportunist and out for himself
2. He is dishonest and a Liar, lying about Smeriglio
3. He takes credit for other people's work; is very lazy yet wants top credit.
4. He details how Gheen tried to sabotage the conference once he didn't get top billing. He wanted top billing to gain memberships to his site, donations and bragging rights.
5. Gheen has burned many bridges and now he is an outcast

After I read Digger's post and his assertions that Gheen is an opportunist and a Liar and Smeriglio is a Saint, I just shook my head. Anyone who has followed the Immigration debate knows about Gheen. Most believe he is an opportunist and Lies and uses his group for his own agenda and fame. That's a given. But I've also followed Smeriglio. He is well known on the East Coast. His group, Voice of the People, were the faces of the East Coast protestors. It was their screaming, angry faces that stood on street corners with megaphones agitating the crowds during ANTI Immigration Reform rallies. It was their faces that supported Mayor Barletta. It was their faces that marched against the supporters of Luis Ramirez at the trial of his murderers. Smeriglio is loud and rowdy, not afraid to be in your face. One of his best friends and frequent participants at his rallies is Steve Smith (in youtube video and in picture on right), a leader of the notorious Keystone State Skinheads(KSS). Plus the attendees of the rallies were members of the KSS. Many people pointed this out, but Smeriglio only laughed at them. But as more and more people found out about Smeriglio, they disassociated themselves with him, this included Mayor Barletta. Until finally, Smeriglio disbanded his Voice of the People group. This all, of course, is public knowledge and pretty well known out East. The Keystone State Skinheads were even featured on the National Geographic Channel's documentary "American Skinheads." KSS has had several criminal charges against their members. KSS has also sponsored many "White Power" conferences in Pennsylvania. They have been designated a Racist Hate Group by the ADL. And they have close affiliations with the Hutaree militia.

While catching up on their argument today, I studied both Digger's detailed response and Gheen's discussion board on this subject. What I found most interesting was that Steve Smith commented on Gheen's site: "This is Steve Smith from Keystone United. I am going to keep this short and sweet. I am not a "neo-nazi", "racist" , or a "White supremacist." These are labels used by leftists to try to stifle debate. They can't refute my points on racial issues so they have to resort to childish name-calling. I am unapologetic in my stance in trying to preserve our European American heritage and culture. I know what I believe is right because it is backed up with truth,facts ,and logic. If William Gheen wants to debate me publicly on racial issues , just let me know." Gheen responded: "Steve Smith, Unlike Dan Smeriglio, we do not knowingly allow skin heads on our websites. Our goal is to unify Americans of all races, parties, and walks of life behind the effort to stop and reverse illegal immigration. Skinhead, neo nazi, kkk, and white nationalist groups interfere with our mission, campaigns, and legislation. Goodbye. William Gheen"

Again, I shake my head. Digger is right about Gheen and Gheen is right about Smeriglio. What I don't understand is why Gheen utilized so little proof (screenshots of Smeriglio's facebook friends' page) when there is so much evidence available. I also don't understand why he ripped Tancredo apart. This is what his own followers are angriest and confused about.

I suspect that Gheen has more dirt on Tancredo and is waiting until the June 5 rally to let it all out. That way, if he exposes Tancredo, as he did (in his own mind) to Dobbs and Lindsey Graham, he will score more credit and donations from his members and more attention for himself in the media.

The more I read about this mess, the more I am glad I am not affiliated with anyone like that crowd. If people truly believe they are supporting a worthy cause, they certainly would not behave this way. I've often said, "You reap what you sow times 10." I wonder what these folks will reap in the end.

UPDATE: Apparently Gheen went to several local AZ newspapers about this whole mess. here are 3 articles:
AZ Republic: Arizona immigration law rally loses group due to neo-Nazi links
Phoenix New Times:William Gheen's ALIPAC Withdraws from June 5 Nativist Rally at Arizona State Capitol Because of "Nazi Groups and Tom Tancredo" (w/Update)
Tucson Citizen: The Cholla Jumps (this one ANTI Gheen)

References:
. Immigration Clearinghouse: Alipac & William Ghee Exposed
. Digger's Realm: The Phoenix shall rise
. One People's Project: Daniel Smeriglio
. Keystone State Skinheads - wiki
. Voice of the People: Daniel Smeriglio

Alicrap Willie Gheen is OUTRAGED by Dobbs Wooing of Latino Media and "Amnesty"

Willie Gheen from alicrap is fuming mad! Last week, when Lou Dobbs said he might be running for President, Gheen pulled out all of the stops to support him. He even established a "supportlou.com" website. Gheen was making this his "cause celebre" from now until 2012. Dobbs for Prez, recommended by Willie Boy Gheen. Rolling, rolling, rolling! Full Steam Ahead!! Then this week, Dobbs went on Telemundo. Willie's train went off the track. Not only did it go off the track, it broke the bridge. Not only did it break the bridge, it went off the cliff! ("Off the cliff you say? My, my! What could have happened to derail and anger Willie Boy in such a way???")

Get this. Listen Closely. Shhhhhh. It's coming: On Telemundo, Dobbs talks about running for office and wanting the support of the Latino people. He said he is "Latino's Friend and apologized for not interviewing in Spanish." Everything any Latino has heard in the media about Dobbs saying anything negative about Latinos is just an out and out lie spun by the evil extreme left. Leprosy you ask? Naw! Dobbs said he never said a word about leprosy. Anything else negative they may have heard was just made up.

While this kind of talk made Willie's painted on eyebrows stick to the top of his forehead, it didn't make the steam come out of his ears. Here is what really outraged Willie Boy. Dobbs said he now supports "Bridge to Legalization (of the 12M here)" Yep! He said it! Or as Willie Boy says, "Dobbs supports Amnesty!" Can you believe it???

Willie Boy started a thread about this over at his site and his fellow allicrappers are fuming! Just fuming. What are they saying about ole Loco Lou? Here are some examples:
. this is just a nightmare and we will all wake up soon.
. Dang!! What is going on? Why the sudden turn around?
. AMNESTY. He actually said "under certain conditions." I mistyped...sorry. I am very distressed. He is advocating AMNESTY. OMG.
. I feel duped, played and betrayed.
. What I saw was a man groveling and back peddling. IT was disgusting.
. I guess he is thinking he can get elected to some government position by pandering to "Hispanics" like Hilary, Obama and McCain did. I always did find it hard to trust anyone who would work for CNN. Dobbs was kind of like CNN's version of a Trojan horse.

From Willie:
I'm in a state of shock. I hear Lou claiming in this video that he has said way back he was for legalizing illegal aliens. Perhaps that is true, but if it is then someone tell me why..... THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER HEARD HIM SAY IT IN THE FIVE YEARS IVE FOLLOWED AND SUPPORTED THIS MAN?????? He insinuates that his support for this is buried in one of his books somewhere. I guess it was in the fine print on page ____ right? You know Lou Dobbs, if you supported legalizing illegal aliens in America then perhaps you could have said that sometime on your TV Show, like especially when you were railing against illegal immigration night after night or railing against the Comprehensive Amnesty bills of 2006 and 2007? I am hurt, dismayed, angry, sad, exasperated, red faced, embarrassed, and more after seeing this video. My gut instincts tell me that Lou Dobbs has made a terrible mistake and thinks he can appease his enemies when in fact he is going to end up being hated and despised on all sides. The ethnocentric interests and Open Borders Lobby will never welcome him unless he has cut a deal with the creators of the North American Union plans. The pro enforcement side is going to feel like Lou Dobbs in Benedict Arnold. I feel betrayed and betrayed by someone that I trusted immensely a few hours ago.

W

INFIGHTING BETWEEN HATE GROUPS: So Much Infighting Between ANTI Immigration Reformers, TeaBaggers and ANTI Obama Birthers!

INFIGHTING BETWEEN HATE GROUPS:

Some significant happenings in the Immigration Reform movement this week:

1. Last Friday, the Obama Administration reiterated their support for Comprehensive Immigration Reform legislation in 2010.
2. CNN Dropped Lou Dobbs. His contract was bought for $8M. The BastaDobbs campaign worked!
3. Tea Parties Ship Sank! Willie Gheen decided to make a move to piggy back onto the National Teabaggers party boat by jumping on-board with ANTI Immigration Reform anchors. Unfortunately for Willie, no one showed up to his little parties. Of course Jim Gilchrist, Willie's old nemisis, predicted this, as well as bad times for Jeff Schwilk of the SDMM.

In Boston NO ONE showed up. In Dallas/Ft. Worth, only 34 people showed up. In Phoenix, only the Neo-Nazis showed up and the seven Alipac members got into a fight with them. Just prior to Willie's Teabagger announcement, Jim Gilchrist called out Willie and Jeff Schwilk from the SDMM and called them all racists and asked true teabaggers to stay away! Talk about a civil war within the ranks!

On top of everything else, Fox News confronted Willie and said in their latest poll, over 75% of Americans SUPPORTED some type of Immigration Reform and DID NOT SUPPORT Mass Deportation! Oh Woe is Willie!!


What is coming to light is, there is so much anger and hate and splintering among the ANTI Immigration/Teabagger groups right now, they are having great difficulty in having a common voice. In light of last weekends events, few people think it is possible!

Here is Willie's announcement of the upcoming teabagger events in which he chastised the NeoNazis and other so called hate groups! The groups are broken, fractured and I believe they are in all kinds of danger of splintering even further.

For the record, one should note: A common sub-group in the ANTI Immigration, ANTI Obama, ANTI Economic Reform groups is their core group of people that belong to the White Nationalists, Racist, Nazi type groups. However, Willie and other group leaders are ASHAMED of them, from a public perspective. Even though their CORE GROUP is comprised of such, THEY REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEM and instead CHASTISE THEM. Look at what happened in Phoenix between JT Ready and the teabaggers. This is going to happen over and over and over again until these groups splinter, give way and are forever forgotten. Why? The answer lies in all of these group's core principles, founded in HATE and inHumanity and disregard for treating others as YOU want to be treated.

As these Hate-filled groups dwindle, and as positive groups gain momentum, the hate-filled groups should contemplate the error of their ways.

Minuteman X Sends Me MORE emails from the Minutemen! They are Infighting and Discussing Shawna Forde!

Minuteman X has forwarded me more emails from the Minutemen/ANTIs. These emails provide an inside look at the infighting between various minuteman and ANTI groups including arguments between Jeff Schwilk/William Gheen vs those minutemen who support Jim Gilchrist. The only conclusion I come to after reading them is, keep them ALL away from the border. They all need mental health care! Perhaps our President will be able to help them get help once Universal Healthcare passes.

Interesting Reading:
-------- Original Message --------
Subject:
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:12:25 -0700
From: Jeff Schwilk

Um, Jeff, you are on Naui's video from '07 saying you head the MMP student group at CSULB. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV4yNlJgF7c
You are the Latino guy with glasses holding the yellow sign, no? Did Jason replace you at CSULB? What group do you lead now?

Actually the crime scene was near Tucson, AZ, many hundreds of miles from all of SoCal.

You should go to the MMP website more often. Shawna's face and words were all over it for 18 months up until after her arrest. Pima Sheriffs have all the screen shots of the many articles about her and Jason Bush. Rumor has it that Chuck Stonex will be the next MMP Border Director. Good luck with that!

A fellow Latino named Jeff. I'm part Hispanic too. Pretty cool. Careful though, Gilly doesn't care and will still call you "racist" if you dare get in his way from saving the world with his radical activism. He gets his talking points from NCLR and SPLC.

Gilchrist emailed Chelene a couple hours ago and congratulated her on her candidacy for Governor. That was mighty big of him. He promised her he would take down her hate forum and other hate forums on his website, but so far they are still there. But will his hatemongering minions stop blogging their garbage? We'll see....

Nice to see some of you starting to act civil. Lets see how long it lasts.

BTW, a la raza goon blogger named Dee (Perez-Scott might be her last name) is bragging that one of you is her secret inside source for MM stuff. There is definitely a mole on this list above who forwards all these emails. Tony, you had a girlfriend named Dee, right? Does Jim and Steve know about you? Hate to burst your bubble, but you were suspected of being a la raza mole 2 years ago when you were kicked out of the other groups.

Whoever forwards this email to Dee, tell her I said Hi. I enjoy reading all her "secrets" at www.ImmigrationClearinghouse.com Its like the National Inquirer for goons and alien activists! LMAO. MMP always provides tons of laughs and drama! I'll bet your ears were ringing all day Saturday from our 450 Patriots at our Boulevard Party. I never realized how widely you guys are all hated in Southern California! Gilly and his MMP inner circle are hated even more than La Raza by EVERYONE! Its a good thing Gilly didn't show up - they would have used him as a piñata for all the kids. The Nacho Ramos boys would have probably busted him to pieces in seconds!

Ciao boys and girls.

Jeff Schwilk, Founder
www.SanDiegoMinutemen.com
STOP Anchor baby births in June 2010!

----- Original Message -----
From: okam118@yahoo.com
To: Jeff Schwilk ; Debbie Britt ; Tim Bueler ; Cheryl Burns ; Steve Eichler ; William Gheen
Cc: Brian Gilmore ; Ted Hayes ; Ray Herrera ; Jerry Hodge ; Robin Hvidston ; Shannon McGauley ; Chelene Nightingales ; Richard; Chris Simcox; Chuck Stonex ; Ed Williams
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: Duncan Hunter delivers anti-illegal immigrant groups a present

you might be talking about jason aula. you should google his name. there's your answer

and who is this shawna forde? i don't think me or any Minuteman members ever heard of her. all i know is that the crime scene was closer to SD county than OC or LA county

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Jeff Schwilk wrote:
From: Jeff Schwilk
Subject: Re: Duncan Hunter delivers anti-illegal immigrant groups a present
To: okam118@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 9:28 PM

"The only thing that all Americans can find in the media is the Minuteman Project."

You are right Jeff! Unfortunately when you google Minuteman Project and read recent media articles, Gilchrist's close ties with child killer Shawna Forde come up. That's one way to get attention for your group, but its better to actually work WITH law enforcement to get our laws and our border enforced! Working with murderers is never good for business or donations.

Are you still leading a MM group at Cal State Long Beach? How is that going? The youth here in San Diego is waking up big time! The commies no longer have the "bullhorn" on illegal immigration.

Jeff Schwilk, Founder
www.SanDiegoMinutemen.com
STOP Anchor baby births in June 2010! www.TaxpayerRevolution.org

----- Original Message -----
From: okam118@yahoo.com
To:
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: Duncan Hunter delivers anti-illegal immigrant groups a present

Hey Gheen, you said that all Tim cares about is shaking hands and sucking dick to the right people? Well check out this youtube video of you trying to suck Duncan Hunter's cock in order to attempt to boost your damaged reputation. Read the title too. It's hilarious..It says "Some UNKNOWN person Interviewing Duncan Hunter." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg_KQbEq06Q

Your group accomplished a lot for the past 5 years? What might that be? Stealing from donors? I think 98% of Americans can't think of one thing your group has done. When people talk about border watch groups, all they know is the Minutemen. Even La Raza only talks about the Minuteman group. They never heard of piece of shit ALIPAC. Americans usually never heard of sorry ass groups like CCIR, SOS, ALIPAC, etc. The only thing that all Americans can find in the media is the Minuteman Project.

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, William Gheen wrote:
From: William Gheen
Subject: Re: Duncan Hunter delivers anti-illegal immigrant groups a present
To:
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 1:32 AM

Tim,

You poor little idiot. ALIPAC formed long before Minuteman 1. We were formed in September of 2004 before anyone had ever heard of Jim Gilchrist or MMP.

Since you are so obviously delusional about the most basic facts, I doubt seriously that your lack of knowledge of our yearly accomplishments that have been widely circulated and promoted for almost five years will help you be able to spell the word "tired".

So put a cork in it you little butt boy fanatic. I've dealt with your types all my life... constantly looking for the biggest political hand you can shake and the biggest dick you can suck in politics.

It is entirely inappropriate for someone of your age to so fanatically and blindly support a jerk like Jim Gilchrist. Your just a little punk Tim, just a little punk.

If you are going to write me, please try harder not to sound so much like Jim's little bitch ok? Your words to me say more about yourself than me. You constantly worship in the shadow of greater men because you yourself will never amount to anything. You are just a little follower and you know it, but hey you got MMP to pay you 60k per year for awhile there congrats. Don't tell me how to spend my money when they wasted that much of the patriot communities dough on a kid in his early 20's that's nothing but a talentless suckup.

William

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media@timbueler.com wrote:
Hey William shut your mouth! I am tiered of the hijackers of this movement criticizing the very person who first helped bring national awareness to immigration issue. His idea's are the reason you have an organization and despite the fact that I haven't seen you appear on national radio or TV in God knows how long YOU keep talking shit. If you spent your money on candidates instead of food then maybe we would haveput more conservative men and women in Congress because you're soimportant and influential. You have a face for radio and you sound like you have a third grade education. If you were smart you would publicly support MMP and go on your way BUT that assumes a lot on your part.
Basically what I am trying to say is that you're a detail, a nobody,history will not remember you. Jim Gilchrist is reason we all becameinvolved, he has served his country with honor and has been a thorn inthe side of politicians for years. And as Mr. Gilchrist goes on his 4,000 show today I would like William to send us a list of accomplishments he has achieved for the movement.

Tim Bueler
Media Consultant

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Duncan Hunter delivers anti-illegal immigrant groups a present
From: steve@stepheneichler.com
Date: Thu, July 09, 2009 5:52 pm
To:

3 types of people.
People who make things happen, People who watch things happen and People who wonder "What Happened?"

We have too many watchers and wonders!
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Duncan Hunter delivers anti-illegal immigrant groups a present
From: "okam118@yahoo.com"
Date: Thu, July 09, 2009 1:55 pm
To:

That's great to know. Everyone should learn from that sector.But be careful because you are boring Chelene Nightinggale and Bill "the scheme" Gheen. They don't care about any of that securing the border stuff or patroling stuff. All they care about is sitting at the desk of their homes and asking for bribes. Those 2 groups are the biggest scam artists. These naive donors don't even realize that only 2% of their money are going to politicians while over 50% is going to Gheen's savings account. They should be donating to poltiicians directly not through Gheen. He is nothing but a checkpoint to politicians. At least the Minutemen take action on the border.

--- On *Thu, 7/9/09, Shannon (N5KOU) McGauley
From: Shannon (N5KOU) McGauley
Subject: Re: Duncan Hunter delivers anti-illegal immigrant groups a present
To:
Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 7:04 PM

The El Paso Sector (El Paso to Fort Hancock) is the most secure in Texas, maybe in all the south. We only had to hold 11 border watches to get it done!

----- Original Message -----
From:* Chuck Stonex
To:*
Sent:* Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:31 AM
Subject:* RE: Duncan Hunter delivers anti-illegal immigrant groups a present

Good story. Thanks for sharing. New Mexico's big leak is west of Columbus in the "boot heal" area. I spent a weekend in Columbus wiht Radar from PBA scouting over300 miles of desert road around Columbus the first week of May and never found a single track, trail, water bottle, sign, or marker. That is the story to the east.
If you go west from Columbus, it is completely opposite. We had a tenative plan to scout that area with Shawna and a few others. Those have since feel thrugh which is another victory for the illegal invaders and those that support them or who work against the minuteman operations.
LEBTF
Chuck
“What do Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden have in common?
They both have friends who bombed the Pentagon.” —Rush Limbaugh
*“Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome,and fight for your brothers, your sons and your daughters, your wives and your homes.”*
a Nehemiah 4:14 NIV b
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 01:34:11 -0700
From: okam118@yahoo.com
Subject: Duncan Hunter delivers anti-illegal immigrant groups a present
Well here's a story of retired Congressman Duncan Hunter at a "ribbon cutting ceremony at the border" at a newly contructed fence on Smuggler's Gulch, which used to be a major smuggling route for illegal aliens, drug lords,rapists, and murderers. Thanks to the pressure of Hunter, Tancredo, and Jim Gilchrist's Minuteman Project, the Bush administration waived environmental laws to complete the final piece of this 3 mile double fence from Smuggler's Gulch to the Pacific Ocean, while groups like ALIPAC and SOS were sitting on their asses collecting donations and just discussing about illegal immigration. While they were talking yapping about it, Gilchrist's Minutemen and women were taking action at the border. I don't think Gheen even knows what the fence looks like because he doesn't care about the double fence. He wants illegals to come here so that he can make more money. CA now has completed the double layer fence. AZ, NM, and TX still have holes in it where there isn't a fence. We should pressure the next Congress for a new fence bill, preferably Duncan Hunter Jr. The bill won't pass in this wackjob liberal Congress.

Breaking News: Shawna Forde's Minuteman M.A.D. Partner Chuck Stonex Threatens Minuteman Leaders Jeff Schwilk & Alipac's Willie Gheen!

Chuck Stonex has just sent an email to San Diego Minuteman leader Jeff Schwilk and Alipac's Leader Willie Gheen making the following (what Gheen terms as) threats. Gheen asks his supporters if they too think they are threats. They say YES and he should report Stonex to the cops. Here is the message from Gheen to his alipac supporters, sharing the email from Stonex:
Friends,
Chuck Stonex of Shawna Forde's organization Minuteman American Defense just sent this email to Jeff Schwilk of San Diego Minutemen. Stonex hates me and Jeff and sent this to both of us.
Do you think this qualifies as a threat?
William (Gheen - Alipac)
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From: Chuck Stonex
To: jeffschwilk
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:25 PM
Subject: RE: Has Gilchrist been Arrested Yet??? New Article

Me stay out of your way so I don't get hurt ??????
Bring it on xxxxxxxx. I'll show you how I got two Army accomodation medals (W/ oak leaf clusters and "V" for valor)and a bronze star.
You need to know and totally understand I am NOT afraid of you or anything that you represent or may have to offer.
"IF" this cowardly act had been planned by me and Gilchrist, the attack would of been at your house or in North Carolina for the good of America. NOT on an innocent family in Arivaca, Arizona.
LEBTF
Chuck

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My advice to ALL Tea Partiers: STAY AWAY FROM ALL Minuteman Activities during the July 4th Tea Party Rallies!!! Who knows what will happen next!

Minutemen & ANTI Groups Raising Level of Attacks and Accusing Each Other of Involvement in Brisenia Flores Family Murders!

There are a frenzy of attacks going on between the ANTI Immigration Reform groups right now due to the murder of Brisenia Flores by minuteman Shawna Forde.
From William Gheen at Alipac:
ALIPAC Issues Advisory on Glenn Spencer and American Patrol - July 2, 2009
We regret to inform everyone that the home offices of Glenn Spencer of American Patrol have been raided by a swat team with a search warrant due to his involvement with Shawna Forde. ALIPAC issued several national advisories about Shawna Forde earlier this year, when it became clear she was a risk to our movement, dishonest, and potentially violent. All known groups and leaders in the immigration enforcement movement heeded our advice earlier this year and did not post or distribute Shawna Forde's bogus rape, assault story and photos, which were clearly an attempt to deflect suspicion away from herself and her involvement in the attempted murder of her husband. There were a few exceptions. Jim Gilchrist and Steve Eichler of Minuteman Project, Chuck Stonex of New Mexico, and Glenn Spencer and an employee known as "Melissa" of American Patrol who continued to aid, support, defend, or encourage Shawna Forde after our advisory, as well as, before and after the murders.
William Gheen and Melisa Jamarmillo exchanged verbal attacks this week on the alipac discussion board. Subsequently, Melisa sent this open letter to William Gheen, which she also forwarded to Long Island Wins: (key portion of letter follows)
To: William Gheen
....I find there is something wrong with you. You lack character and integrity. You are not trustworthy and I think you are a bit psychotic. There must be something wrong with you, as your vicious and continued attacks against others fighting for the same cause is nothing but destructive for the movement and they make you look obsessed. That's it, you're obsessed with the destruction of anyone who does not bend to your will. God, I
hope you don't have a wife or children - especially teenagers because they have a mind of their own. I believe it is your actions and the actions of those like you who helped to drive Shawna over the edge. Go after her family - they knew of her plans. Go after the MM in Colorado - they knew of her plans. None of them tried to talk her out of it or stop her. You did nothing to stop her either. Hell, not even you thought she would end up doing something so atrocious. Furthermore, it is not aiding and abetting to have a brief chit chat
with somebody who came by out of the blue. Believe you me, had I known about the incident in Arivaca and the Shawna was wanted for questioning, I would have shut the door in her face and contacted the authorities. Stop your lies and retract your libel for your own good...
Meanwhile, heraldnet.com reports:
..Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Orange County, Calif.-based Minutemen Project, wrote today that he finds it "alarming how some persons in the Minuteman movement have used the recent Arizona double homicide involving Shawna Forde as a glorious opportunity to allocate blame to those with whom they have targeted for abusive propaganda."
According to Gilchrist, Gheen's group and other anti-illegal immigration organizations "pointing the finger of blame are the same ones into which Shawna Forde had intermittent interaction, or in which she attempted to insert herself. Failing that, she created her own organization and operated independently."..
In an e-mail to The Herald this morning calling attention to his post, Gilchrist said Forde bears responsibility for her alleged criminal conduct. However, he also suggested that public criticism of Forde by ALIPAC and two other border-watch groups may have driven her over the edge and toward violence."Relentless attacks by these three groups via the internet upon her character may very well have fueled her anger to the point of no return," Gilchrist wrote.
Note: On Jim Gilchrist's MMP website, he lists the names of all of the anti-illegal immigration groups he blames. They include: 1. William Gheen/Alipac; Jeff Schwilk; Chelene Nightengale; 2. Patriots Border Alliance (PBA); 3. Ken Dreger (Camp Vigilance) - who allowed her to train in camp; 4. Robert Crooks - who trained Shawna; Mountain MM; 5. CCIR; 6. Save our State; 7. Jeff Schwilk/San Diego MMs; 8. Campo MM; 9. MMP (his own group) 10. Deborah Courtney; 11. Border Patrol Aux (BPAUX); 12. MM Civil Defense Corp/Chris Simcox; 13. American Border Patrol; 14. Alipa, SDMM, CCIR, SOS (again); 15. Uncounted MMs and Metger family.
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All of their actions prove how unstable and violent these ANTI Immigration Reform groups are. How are they allowed to continue to patrol the border armed with attack weapons? How are they allowed to patrol worksites and day labor sites knowing their true agendas?
How can any sane politician continue to associate themselves with them without themselves becoming suspect of the same venomous and outrageous behaviors? How can Fox News continue to support their violent actions and in-fighting? Why has Fox News stopped reporting ANY News about the minutemen, Good or Bad??

America has had ENOUGH of these violent, angry, hate-filled Minutemen and ANTI Immigration Reform groups. The only good news is, they are finally outing themselves displaying their true nature. Perhaps now they will take their hate filled rhetoric and go home!

Breaking News: ANTI Leader of Alipac Gheen Accuses Minutemen Leader Gilchrist & ABP Leader Spencer of Assisting Shawna Forde After Murder!

Hot off the presses from Heraldnet.com:
Leaders of anti-llegal immigration groups trade insults over Forde case
By Scott North - Herald Writer
EVERETT -- Controversy over an Everett woman charged with two killings in Arizona now has the national leaders of anti-illegal immigration groups calling one another idiots.
Shawna Forde, 41, is charged with two counts of first-degree murder and other crimes in connection with a May 30 raid on an Arivaca, Ariz., family. Killed were Raul Flores, 29, and his daughter, Brisenia, 9. The child's mother also received gunshot wounds, but survived and drove the attackers away in a gun battle that was recorded during a her frantic 911 call to police.

The sheriff's department in Pima County, Ariz., has alleged Forde led the raid believing Flores was a drug trafficker, and she could net money to support her Minutemen American Defense group
Even before the shootings Forde was a polarizing figure for people who endorse the idea that self-styled Minutemen engaged in surveillance and patrols are part of the solution to illegal immigration, human smuggling and drug trafficking along on the U.S.-Mexico border. Forde conducted border watches and patrols in Arizona, and was an ally of Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Orange County, Calif.-based Minutemen Project.

An e-mail obtained by The Herald shows that Gilchrist was one of 17 people Forde apparently wanted contacted if she was arrested or killed after the Arivaca homicides. Last week, Gilchrist acknowledged that he'd been told Forde was wanted for questioning by police prior to her arrest in Arizona. He said he called her about eight days before she was captured, but she denied being in trouble.
He's since publicly withdrawn all support for Forde.

Forde was arrested June 12 by FBI agents and others at a roadblock about a mile from the Sierra Vista, Ariz., ranch owned by Glenn Spencer of American Border Patrol, a group that monitors the border using cameras and aerial surveillance. Spencer last week said Forde was taken into custody after she'd made a brief, uninvited stop at his home. He said he'd broken ties with her a year earlier.

On Monday, William Gheen, president of ALIPAC -- Americans for Legal Immigration -- posted on his group's Web site a repudiation of Gilchrist and Spencer in which he flatly accused them of assisting Forde after the Arivaca killings.
"We warned the nation and all group leaders, including Spencer and Gilchrist, about Shawna Forde many months before these murders," Gheen wrote.
The warnings did appear on Gheen's group's Web site earlier this year and largely regurgitated reports by The Herald that raised questions about Forde's link to a string of violent incidents in Everett. At the time, police were investigating the Dec. 29 shooting of Forde's ex-husband, her claim that she'd was beaten and raped a week later by people she suggested were connected to Mexican drug cartels, and her own gunshot injury Jan. 15 in an Everett alley. Everett police recently said they've ceased investigating Forde's rape report based on insufficient evidence.

Spencer on Monday denied that he got any warning about Forde from Gheen, and asserted that he didn't need one anyway because he'd long before decided against associating with her. After her rape report Spencer wrote that he told his staff again that Forde "was unstable and not welcome as a guest on the ranch."

Spencer added:
"The idea that I would put the reputation of American Border Patrol at risk by assisting someone that I knew to be unstable is outrageous and slanderous ... By making these totally false accusations with no evidence whatsoever to back them up, Mr. Gheen has proven himself to be unprofessional and exploitative of the problems of unfortunate people like Shawna Forde. He is doing this to make money by tearing his 'competitors' down, pure and simple.

"There is really only one way to deal with people like Mr. Gheen and it is not to mince words. To wit: Wm. Gheen is an idiot," he added.
On Gheen's Web site there is more cross fire today, including a post that describes Spencer and an employee as idiots, too.
Gheen has been contacting reporters since Forde's arrest, arguing that readers aren't being told enough about the difference among those in border-watch groups, particularly when it came to support of Forde.
"Outside of the media, to my knowledge, nobody has done more before these murders to stop Shawna Forde," Gheen said of himself during a recent interview. He said his group raised doubts about Forde's claims of being attacked in Everett. He noted that Gilchrist stood by her, even after The Herald published a story detailing the woman's troubled past. The article also contained Forde's acknowledgment that she'd privately been telling police that local street toughs -- not drug cartel killers -- likely were behind the violence involving herself and her ex-husband this winter in Everett.
Questioning Forde's story at the time was the right thing to do, Gheen said.
"If I had not done that, the Shawna story would have gone nuclear through our movement," he said.

Forde was arraigned on the murder charges Monday in Tucson, Ariz. Prosecutors there are considering whether to seek the death penalty.