Friday, November 14, 2008

Kick in the Head Case Update: Piekarksky´s Friends are saying Judge May Dismiss the Case!

A Mockery of Justice is about to occur! The murderers who kicked Luis Ramirez in the head and murdered him may soon be set free. I ask all PRO Bloggers and PRO supporters to be alerted to this case and to contact all fellow PRO Bloggers and supporters! This case is similar to the New York Race Crime murder! The Sheriff´s Dept did not want to bring these murderers to justice and now the judge is considering dismissing the charges!! Their friends are laughing at the possibility! This miscarriage of justice CANNOT occur! These Murderers MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE, otherwise we are doomed to see more Latino Hate Crime murders occur! Alert your friends! Alert the Justice System! DO NOT Allow these Murderers to be Set Free with No Penalty!! If these murderers are allowed to go free, NO Latino is SAFE from these Types of HATE CRIMES!!
PA Pundits Reports:
Shenandoah Teens Dismissal Hearing
Posted by Turtle on November 13, 2008 by Turtle
The three teenagers charged as adults in Shenandoah, Derrick Donchak, Colin Walsh, and Brandon Piekarsky, asked to have the charges dismissed. A hearing was scheduled for 9:30am this morning (11/13/08). Two friends drove an hour to my house, where another friend and I waited. The four of us drove another hour to Pottsville to witness the goings-on of this dismissal hearing. When we first arrived, I recognized some of the wonderful people I’ve met and have been keeping in touch with. I am happy to say the families are remaining strong and supportive! I overheard someone talking about a plea bargain. As I listened, I learned that only yesterday, the District Attorney offered a sweet deal to the boys. Apparently, he was willing to drop everything but assault and ethnic intimidation, with a sentence of ten months in county prison. Wow. I guess even the DA knows he has NO CASE against these boys, but since he’s up for election as a judge, he needs SOME kind of conviction on them.
We entered the courtroom, and waited and waited. Then we waited some more. After about an hour and a half of waiting, I found out that the judge, attorneys, and DA were in judge’s chambers downstairs. Here’s where this whole situation gets really whacky: The DA wanted the plea deal, the defense was wholeheartedly considering it, and the judge was willing to approve it. Then MALDEF and the Department of Justice (DOJ) called Crystal Dillman (self-titled “fiancee” of Luis Eduardo Ramirez Zavala) and Ramirez Zavala’s mother in Mexico who used an interpreter. Both Momma Ramirez and Dillman fought against the plea deal because it wasn’t harsh enough. Well, I’ll be ..
Since WHEN does the American judicial process get halted by racist, ethnocentric brown supremacy groups? Why is the DOJ working WITH anti-American, racist groups? Back to the courtroom: we waited still for the hearing to start, or to get word of any plea bargains being accepted. Finally, the ten-minute hearing began. The judge told the DA he has several items to answer, within ten days, and the judge named off several numbers that apparently correlate to a packet of papers they had. I found out later on that some of those numbers included the DA handing over evidence to support the charges of homicide and ethnic intimidation. The judge will also consider severing the trials, so they might be tried separately. We then went out into the hallway, where a slew of reporters with cameras waited for the teens to be led out of the courtroom. Once the boys had passed, the reporters asked some of us to interview on camera. My friend, Debby Rabold gave striking interviews with several of them. I spoke to Bob Reynolds from WNEP. Much to my surprise, they actually included some of what I said! LOL!
BREAKING NEWS: Judge considers charges, separate trials for 3 accused in Shen beating
During a hearing Thursday, three teenagers charged in connection with the fatal beating of an illegal Mexican immigrant in Shenandoah placed their fate in the hands of Schuylkill County President Judge William E. Baldwin.Brandon J. Piekarsky, 17, and Colin J. Walsh, 17, both of Shenandoah Heights, and Derrick M. Donchak, 18, of Shenandoah, want Baldwin to dismiss charges against them or, alternatively, to have them tried separately in connection with the beating of Luis Eduardo Ramirez Zavala. At the end of the 10-minute hearing in a packed courtroom — preceded by almost two hours of conferring by the judge and lawyers on each side — Baldwin took the defendants’ requests under advisement but did not indicate when he would rule. Baldwin did order prosecutors to provide more information to the defendants’ lawyers about the exact acts they allege the teenagers committed, the exact words they allege the young men said and the exact nature of any alleged agreement by the trio to commit any crimes.
The commonwealth has not articulated its theory well enough,” Baldwin said in explaining why he ordered prosecutors to provide that information. Neither prosecutors nor the defendants presented any testimony during the hearing. Prosecutors offered into evidence the transcript from the Aug. 18 preliminary hearing, as well as the autopsy and supplemental medical reports on Ramirez, as their case at this stage, and the defendants did not object to Baldwin considering any of those. District Attorney James P. Goodman, the defendants and their attorneys — Frederick J. Fanelli, Pottsville, Roger Laguna, Harrisburg, and Jeffrey M. Markosky, Mahanoy City — all declined to comment on the case after the hearing.The three defendants have alleged the evidence against them is insufficient to support the charges. Also, they have alleged that if the judge finds the evidence sufficient, they should be tried separately; currently, prosecutors have consolidated their cases and plan to try them together. Schuylkill County detectives allege the three, along with a fourth teenager who is charged as a juvenile, beat and yelled racial epithets at Ramirez, 25, of Shenandoah, on July 12. Ramirez died two days later at Geisinger Medical Center, Danville, as a result of the beating, detectives said.Piekarsky and Walsh are charged with criminal homicide, aggravated assault, recklessly endangering another person, simple assault and ethnic intimidation. Piekarsky also is charged with criminal solicitation/hindering apprehension or prosecution and purchase, consumption, possession or transportation of liquor. Magisterial District Judge Anthony J. Kilker, Shenandoah, dismissed first- and second-degree murder charges against Piekarsky and Walsh at the conclusion of their preliminary hearing, leaving third-degree murder as the most serious homicide charge remaining against them. Donchak is charged with aggravated assault, simple assault, recklessly endangering another person, criminal solicitation/hindering apprehension or prosecution, ethnic intimidation, corruption of minors, purchase or consumption of alcohol by a minor and selling or furnishing alcohol to minors. All three are free on bail pending further court action.The Shenandoah Valley school board approved homebound instruction for Piekarsky and Walsh as directed by court order during a special meeting Sept. 10. Shenandoah Valley solicitor Michael A. O’Pake said outside the hearing Thursday that the district was providing education to Piekarsky and Walsh and that he has heard no complaints on the matter. The case has focused national attention on Shenandoah and the issue of legal and illegal immigration. On Thursday, several groups in favor of immigrants’ rights as well as regional opponents of illegal immigration attended the hearing
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Mr. Ramirez Son.
He will be celebrating Christmas without his father this year.

82 comments:

Dee said...

Mr. Ramirez is DEAD. He was a Victim of a HATE CRIME!
Brandon Piekarsky kicked him in the head as he lay on the ground unconscious.
Mr. Ramirez was attacked by the young, drunken high school jocks who hurled the most heinous of epiteths at him as they brutally murdered him.
Now, these murderers may be set free!
What a miscarriage of Justice!!

Liquidmicro said...

You fail to recognize that Ramirez also had part in this. Exactly what I have said since day one.

Anonymous said...

and you were right liquid.

Dee said...

Read the diagrams from the court testimony. This was a HATE CRIME!
Justice should be served!

Liquidmicro said...

The diagram that you failed to print the information of Mrs. Garcia?? Where as she was an eye witness?? Your own interpretation of the facts you choose to show?? What of the facts you fail to recognize?? Racial Biasness has no position in the eyes of the law. Your own prejudice has failed you!!

Liquidmicro said...

Careful anon, that might be a deletable offense by posting in agreement with me.

Liquidmicro said...

How can this be a Mockery of Justice, when it is the responsibility of the prosecution to provide the proof of evidence to ensure guilt?? Seems the Justice system is working the way it was intended, Innocent until PROVEN guilty. To bad you can't understand that.

Dee said...

Liquid,
You forget the sheriff did not even want to charge the "boys" because they came from such "good families."
This reminds me of the Civil Rights days and the murders that occurred then that were never charged.

Dee said...

A poor father is dead and his chidren will not have their Dad with them this Thanksgiving or Christmas because of Piekarsky´s stomp to his head after he lay on the ground unconcious.

Dee said...

The pictures were drawn directly from courtroom testimony. Check the transcripts.

Dee said...

The racist group Voice of America has been in the town almost daily. They convinced the Mayor to resign. They have control of the town. I am not surprised the charges may be dropped.

Liquidmicro said...

"because of Piekarsky´s stomp to his head after he lay on the ground unconcious."

More assumptions on your part, it has not been proven this was the fatal blow. Again you make allegations without proof, will you ever learn??

Liquidmicro said...

Charges may be lessened or even dropped simply due to lack of evidence. Evidence is what is needed to convict a person of a crime, without evidence what else can they do??

Dee said...

We will wait and see.
Funny how you want no penalty for these murderers.

Liquidmicro said...

Courtroom testimony?? from articles that limited what was described!! What is so wrong with using Mrs. Garcia's eye witness reports, she had no problem spouting about on the web or in the news. You want to blame someone for loosing this case for your side, blame Mrs Garcia for telling the truth. Funny how the truth comes out and you fail to want to believe it.

Liquidmicro said...

As I have said from the beginning, they did not 'murder' anybody, it was involuntary manslaughter at best. If the evidence shows they were doing nothing more then defending themselves than why would I want to see them charged with anything??

Dee said...

These murderous jocks followed him and his white friend. They hurled racial slurs. The group of them hit him. Knocked him down. Then kicked him in the head as he lay on the ground unconscious.

Dee said...

I depicted courtroom testimony by their brave team mate.
You continue to spin and spin Liquid.
Why do you defend these murderers.
It is very telling.

Liquidmicro said...

Its funny how you want them charged just because one of your Hispanics died showing he was mucho macho, the ladies man with the big ego who was drunk and on drugs.

Dee said...

The facts are, Mr. Ramirez, a young father, is dead. He lay on the ground unconscious and Piekarksy kicked him in the head as he lay on the ground.
These are FACTS you cannot deny!
Piekarsky deserves to serve time in Prison! You know that as well as I do!

Liquidmicro said...

Dee said...

These murderous jocks followed him and his white friend.


After all this and you still don;t have the story straight?? Pathetic on your behalf Dee. When you can get the story straight, maybe then you can have an intelligent discussion, until then, I will continue making you look the fool.

Dee said...

You choose to villanize the victim just because he is Latino.
How telling Liquid.
You betray your true nature.

Dee said...

You make up your own stories Liquid.
I depicted actual courtroom testimony by their fellow team mate.

Spin and spin Liquid.
It is very telling. Stop demonizing the poor dead Father!

Liquidmicro said...

I have never denied he was kicked in the head, you must comprehend what I have said in order to argue effectively against me.

Liquidmicro said...

I have not spun anything, you failed to include Mrs Garcia's eye witness reports, which I am pretty sure were used in the case. Because you fail to recognize all the evidence your judgment in nothing but racial prejudice that is biased and lacks the true meaning of the Rule of Law.

Dee said...

Your opinion is just that Liquid. Your opinion.

I drew those diagrams from courtroom testimony. I printed them before along with the court transcripts.

But keep spinning if it makes you happy.

The facts are, the poor young father is dead and his children will not have him home for the holidays. In the meantime you advocate the perpetrators should get off scot free. Horrible!

Dave said...

You know what's really sad about all of this? I went to the saveshenandoah.com discussion board to find a post called "Free the Three", referring, of course, to the three teens. It was a post calling all those interested to arrange for carpools to Pottsville, so they can offer their support for the boys as they go to the hearing with the judge to hopefully get the charges dropped, or the case dismissed.

Crazy!!!

It's crazy, because the very same people were the ones posting on PA Pundits, with statements like "This was a terrible tragedy, of course" and "I don't condone that type of action against anyone" and "What the boys did was wrong, and they should pay for their crimes". It's crazy, because now they are in sharp contrast with these statements, saying that the charges should be dropped. What caused such a turnaround?

I think they never really changed their tunes, they're just showing their true colors, thinking no PROs would visit the Save Shenandoah website or take time to read some of the posts.

Liquidmicro said...

From court testimony, really Dee, please post a link to the documentation of the court testimony.


There is none so far, you have taken information from articles that have limited the information. Nothing has been my opinion, I have pointed out the actual information you wish to deny, the eye witness testimony from Ramirez own friend whom he was with all that afternoon. You wish to blame someone for this case loss, blame Mrs Garcia for opening her mouth.

Dee said...

Dave,
You are right.
SaveShenandoah is linked to the racist hate group Voice of the People. These are the same people who are involved with the angry demonstrations in Hazelton. They are linked to Diggers Realm Dan Amato, and others. I ve written about them before. They have made it their mission to let these jocks go scot free. They have spun this case to make the victim the criminal. They demonize anyone who tries to bring justice to the case. They even convinced the local mayor to resign.

Liquidmicro said...

Do you really think that the people have say so over the ruling of the court?? If you really do, I have abridge I will sell you.

Dee said...

Dee said...
These pictures depict the exact testimony (link below):

In a six-hour preliminary hearing, Joseph Benjamin Lawson Jr., 17, testified he and the five others in the group drank liquor in the woods before going to the Polish-American Fire Company block party, where they argued with a firefighter about ''messing around'' with other football players.

All three of the accused played on Shenandoah Valley High School's football team last year. Donchak was the quarterback. Lawson testified that, at the block party, Donchak was especially angry.

As they walked to Donchak's house, he testified, they came across Ramirez and Dillman's half-sister, Roxanne, 15, at the park. According to Lawson, another teen, Brian Scully, who has not been charged, said to the girl, ''Isn't it a little late for you to be out?''

The girl didn't answer, but Ramirez replied in Spanish, and Scully replied, ''This is Shenandoah, this is America, go back to Mexico,'' and used racial slurs. The two began fighting, Lawson said.
Donchak hurried to join in, Lawson testified. Ramirez went down and the others stood around him, kicking him to the head and torso, Lawson said. But it was after Ramirez got up, while fighting with Donchak, that Lawson said Walsh ran up and sucker-punched him in the face.

Ramirez fell to the ground with such force his head bounced off the macadam, leaving him unconscious. Then Piekarsky administered a final kick to the head, Lawson said.

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-a1_1racial.6551902aug19,0,7741254.story?page=1

August 22, 2008 8:42 PM

Dee said...

The pictures are exactly the brave young Lawson testified.

Dee said...

Click on the pictures and see for yourself!!

Liquidmicro said...

Boy that sure looks like 6 hours of testimony??!! Like I said, the media limited what it wanted to in the information it released about the testimony. You need to add in Mrs Garcia's information to get a clear picture, as I am sure that is what the defense has done and why the prosecution and your side is all up in arms right now. Gather all the information and factual evidence before you make judgment, something you have yet to correctly due.

Dee said...

Actually, you are the one DUE! Due to get it right. This picture depicts exactly what was said and you fail to acknowledge it.

Liquidmicro said...

"The girl didn't answer, but Ramirez replied in Spanish, and Scully replied, ''This is Shenandoah, this is America, go back to Mexico,'' and used racial slurs."


I would like the link to this exact wording, otherwise I believe you made this part up "and used racial slurs" as I have yet to find where Lawson stated exactly that.

Dee said...

The facts are, this young father is Dead!
Unfortunately the racist hate group Voice of the People has descended down on this poor community and and negatively influenced the town. They even convinced the Mayor to resign.
How unfortunate.
I am hoping that justice will be served and the perpetrators of this crime be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
That way, Hate Crimes like this and the one in Long Island will never, ever happen again!

Liquidmicro said...

Your pictographs due replicate what the article stated, however, like I said, that is not 6 hours of testimony and much was left out, like Mrs Garcias testimony: From Democracy Now.


July 24, 2008

Friend of Mexican Immigrant Beaten to Death in Pennsylvania Gives Eyewitness Account of Attack

Luis Ramirez, a twenty-five-year-old Mexican immigrant, was beaten to death last week by a group of teenagers in Shenandoah, Pennsylvania. He was walking home last Saturday night when six white high school students brutally beat him while yelling racial slurs. Despite eyewitness testimony, no charges have been filed. We speak with Arielle Garcia, a friend of Ramirez who witnessed the attack.

Guest:

Arielle Garcia, friend of Luis Ramirez. She witnessed the beating.

AMY GOODMAN: We turn now to Shenandoah Valley in Pennsylvania. Luis Ramirez was a twenty-five-year-old Mexican immigrant who was beaten to death last week by a group of teenagers in Shenandoah, Pennsylvania. He was walking home last Saturday night when six white high school students brutally beat him while yelling racial slurs. When one of Ramirez’s friends tried to stop the beating, one of the teenagers said, “Tell your Mexican friends to get out of town, or you’ll be laying next to him.” Despite eyewitness testimony, no charges have been filed as yet.

Ramirez came to the United States six years ago. He was the father of two children. He was engaged to Crystal Dillman, who grew up in Shenandoah.

We called the district attorney investigating the case, but he declined to join us on the program and said he had no comment.

I’m joined right now by Arielle Garcia, a friend of the couple who was an eyewitness to the attack on Luis Ramirez. She’s a high school senior in Shenandoah. We welcome you, Arielle, to Democracy Now!

ARIELLE GARCIA: Hi. Thank you.

AMY GOODMAN: It’s good to have you with us. How old are you?

ARIELLE GARCIA: I’m seventeen.

AMY GOODMAN: And what year are you in high school?

ARIELLE GARCIA: I’m a senior.

AMY GOODMAN: Can you tell us what happened, not this past Monday night, but the Monday before that? What happened to Luis Ramirez? Where were you?

ARIELLE GARCIA: He was at our house all day that afternoon. And it was around maybe 11:00, he asked us to take him uptown to drop him off, whatever, he was going to go home. So, we leave him at the Vine Street Park, and we drive away, Victor and I, and about two minutes later he called us and told us to come back, that people were beating him up. So we get back as fast as we could. And when we get there, he was—like the fight was over, like the boys were walking away, but they were still screaming like racial slurs, like “Go back to Mexico!”

And so, Victor and I ran up to Luis, and we said, “What happened?” But he was so mad, he wasn’t really talking to us. And those kids kept yelling stuff, and he went back, and the kids turned around, and the fight started again. So Victor, my husband, tried to like stop the fight. He tried to get the kids off of Luis, but kids were trying to fight my husband. So my husband got the kids off of him, and we couldn’t stop the fight between Luis and the—but next thing we know, Luis was on the floor. And so, me and Victor, we ran up to his side, and we were at his side. We were trying to wake him up, and the kids are still like kicking him and kicking him. And somebody—I don’t know who, but they kicked him like in the left side of his head so hard that that’s what killed him.

AMY GOODMAN: Now, where were you and your husband exactly as this part of the fight took place?

ARIELLE GARCIA: We were right by him on the floor. We were like kneeling by his side, trying to wake him up when they kicked him.

AMY GOODMAN: Did you know his attackers?

ARIELLE GARCIA: Yes, they’re in my class.

AMY GOODMAN: How many were there?

ARIELLE GARCIA: Six or seven.

AMY GOODMAN: You knew all of them?

ARIELLE GARCIA: Yeah.

AMY GOODMAN: Can you name them?

ARIELLE GARCIA: I don’t think I’m allowed to name them. I’m sorry.

AMY GOODMAN: Did you tell the police who they were?

ARIELLE GARCIA: Yes.

AMY GOODMAN: And what did the police say? Did the police show up that night?

ARIELLE GARCIA: Yeah, they showed up. First, the ambulance did, and they took our friend to the hospital. And about five minutes later, the police came, and I guess they were looking—I mean, we kept telling them where the kids ran, but they didn’t—they didn’t run towards there. I mean, they kind of stayed where it all happened. And I told them the names and everything.

AMY GOODMAN: And, well, this was more than a week ago. Have they been investigating since?

ARIELLE GARCIA: Yeah. And like, still nothing.

AMY GOODMAN: Why did they say—when you showed them the direction that the kids had run, why did they not go after them at the time?

ARIELLE GARCIA: I don’t know. They told me that it wasn’t their priority right now.

AMY GOODMAN: What do you mean, “their priority”?

ARIELLE GARCIA: Yeah.

AMY GOODMAN: Where was your friend at this point? Where was Luis Ramirez?

ARIELLE GARCIA: He was gone. He was in the—on his way to be [inaudible].

AMY GOODMAN: What was their priority? Did they say that to you?

ARIELLE GARCIA: No. They were pretty rude, some of them. Not all of them, but most of them were pretty rude to me.

AMY GOODMAN: What do you mean they were rude?

ARIELLE GARCIA: Like, I told them where the kids ran, and they wouldn’t go after them, and they told me that “Somebody said there was someone with a gun here, and we have to search your car.” And they searched Victor, like they put his hand behind his back, and like they put him against—

AMY GOODMAN: Victor is your husband?

ARIELLE GARCIA: Yes.

AMY GOODMAN: The boys ran off. Was it all boys?

ARIELLE GARCIA: Yeah.

AMY GOODMAN: Were they white? Were they Mexican?

ARIELLE GARCIA: Yeah, they were all white.

AMY GOODMAN: All white, and you know them all?

ARIELLE GARCIA: Uh-huh.

AMY GOODMAN: Have you seen them in school? Or school is out, so you haven’t seen them since.

ARIELLE GARCIA: Yeah, no, I haven’t seen them. I mean, we’ve seen one of the kids. He was like playing—

AMY GOODMAN: If you could talk as loud as you can, Arielle, it’s a little hard to hear you because of the crackling of the phone.

ARIELLE GARCIA: Oh, OK.

AMY GOODMAN: Speak right into the phone.

ARIELLE GARCIA: OK. Yeah, we have seen one of the—like one of the guys recently. We saw him in the backyard of his house playing, as if, you know, like nothing happened. It is frustrating. Our friend is dead and these kids are living life. That kind of frustrates us, because our friend’s dead, and these kids are like living life. It just frustrates me, like they can live without feeling guilty or anything. I just hope that the correct charges are pressed against them.

AMY GOODMAN: Did you speak to any of these kids, since you knew them, in the midst of the fight or afterwards? Did they say anything to you?

ARIELLE GARCIA: Yes. After the fight, I ran after one of them, and I said, “Hey!” I said, “Why did you do this to my friend? You killed him.” And they said—he says, “No, no, I didn’t kill him. He’s still breathing.” And I said, well—and I smelled like—I smelled alcohol, and I said, “Oh, you’re drinking?” And he said, “Yeah.” And he said, “Don’t say our names. I’m out of here.” And he ran.

AMY GOODMAN: He said, “Don’t say our names”?

ARIELLE GARCIA: He said—yeah, he said that.

AMY GOODMAN: Do you know why they attacked Luis?

ARIELLE GARCIA: Do I know? No. I mean, Victor and I weren’t there when it all started. But like I said, when we got there, it was all racial. Everything.

AMY GOODMAN: What do you mean, it was racial?

ARIELLE GARCIA: They were screaming racial, like “Get out of here, Mexican, whatever. Go back to where you came from.” I mean, they were saying bad stuff that I can’t say over the phone.

AMY GOODMAN: We’re showing pictures right now. For our radio listeners, you can go on our website at democracynow.org to see pictures of Crystal, Luis Ramirez’s fiancee, and pictures of Luis, as well, and their children.

So they were shouting racial epithets. They were—what is the atmosphere in Shenandoah? What is the attitude to Mexican immigrants?

ARIELLE GARCIA: I think it’s—most of the time, it’s OK. But there are times when there are racial slurs. I mean, with my husband, I’ve been with him four years, and like, I’m telling you, there are many times that I’ve heard people scream racial slurs to him. You know, like I was pregnant with my son, and they told me, “What’s that in your belly? Another person I’m going to have to pay for? Another Mexican on welfare?” Like stuff like that. It’s disgusting.

AMY GOODMAN: What do you want to see happen in this case? And how is Crystal? How is Crystal Dillman, Luis’s fiancee and mother of his kids?

ARIELLE GARCIA: She’s doing OK, but she’s pretty upset and she’s frustrated that nothing has been done yet. She wants justice for her family. And we do, too. We want justice for our friend. I feel like that wasn’t his time to die. I feel like those kids should be—they should be treated as adults in this case. They should be treated as adults that committed a homicide. I don’t understand why it’s being put off here.

AMY GOODMAN: Luis’s body has been sent back to Mexico?

ARIELLE GARCIA: Yes.

AMY GOODMAN: To his family?

ARIELLE GARCIA: Yes.

AMY GOODMAN: What has been his family’s reaction? And where does he come from in Mexico?

ARIELLE GARCIA: I don’t know the town. I don’t know. It begins with a “G”. But he—his body was sent back to his mother, and she was—when she found out, she was hysterical. I mean, Crystal told me that she was screaming on the phone, and she didn’t know—she didn’t understand, and she didn’t want to believe it. And he’s arriving there today, actually. He’ll be in Mexico City, and they will be sending him back to where his home city was.

AMY GOODMAN: Well, I want to thank you, Arielle, for joining us. Are you at all afraid of speaking out?

ARIELLE GARCIA: Am I afraid of what?

AMY GOODMAN: Speaking out.

ARIELLE GARCIA: No.

AMY GOODMAN: Well, thank you for joining us. We’ll continue to investigate and follow this case. Arielle Garcia is a friend of Luis Ramirez. She witnessed the beating two Monday nights ago that led to his death. Arielle Garcia knows the people who killed Luis Ramirez. They’re her classmates in high school.

Liquidmicro said...

Something about this paragraph stands out, can you see the picture created by her??

ARIELLE GARCIA: He was at our house all day that afternoon. And it was around maybe 11:00, he asked us to take him uptown to drop him off, whatever, he was going to go home. So, we leave him at the Vine Street Park, and we drive away, Victor and I, and about two minutes later he called us and told us to come back, that people were beating him up. So we get back as fast as we could. And when we get there, he was—like the fight was over, like the boys were walking away, but they were still screaming like racial slurs, like “Go back to Mexico!”

And so, Victor and I ran up to Luis, and we said, “What happened?” But he was so mad, he wasn’t really talking to us. And those kids kept yelling stuff, and he went back, and the kids turned around, and the fight started again.



Here's a clue, "he went back, and the kids turned around, and the fight started again."

Seems Mr Ramirez now became the aggressor and a participant in the fight. Funny how you fail to acknowledge this very troubling fact that discredits pretty much everything you have stated.

Dee said...

Dee said...
Ben Lawson, the fellow football player, IS A HERO for telling the Truth!!

August 22, 2008 8:43 PM

Dee said...

Dee said...
You are also forgetting that the hero Lawson provided testimony that the jocks drank all those 40s in the woods that night. Their blood alcohol must have been, at a minimum, 2.0!! Plus, being young, their tolerance is so low.

August 22, 2008 9:12 PM

Liquidmicro said...

Dee said...

Dee said...
Ben Lawson, the fellow football player, IS A HERO for telling the Truth!!

August 22, 2008 8:43 PM

November 14, 2008 11:06 PM
Blogger Dee said...

Dee said...
You are also forgetting that the hero Lawson provided testimony that the jocks drank all those 40s in the woods that night. Their blood alcohol must have been, at a minimum, 2.0!! Plus, being young, their tolerance is so low.

August 22, 2008 9:12 PM

November 14, 2008 11:07 PM


SO WHAT??

Dee said...

Dee said...
Liquid, The timeline I used came from YOUR link.

August 23, 2008 9:20 PM

Liquidmicro said...

What, no new arguments?? You only bring up portions of old ones. Your pictographs are only partially correct, they leave out to much information, your picture of the topic claims Piekarsky as the Kicker, murderer, which you have no proof of the kick being the fatal blow. There are so many problems with your allegations and assumptions that you are doing nothing but instigating more fear and hate mongering towards these boys who have yet to be charged with a crime, only allegations at this point.

Liquidmicro said...

It seems Fake Tony at HB told you the same thing as I did, while the Hispanics over there all want the boy's blood. Tony Cheeks insightful name calling of the boys and Oscars comment of "and Justice for All" should be the boys are "Innocent until PROVEN guilty!!", but then we now know the perils of the Hispanic mindset, must be why you have to bribe an officer in Central and Latin America, or a judge for that matter, to get anything done, they just want a lynching because one of their own has fallen. Blinded by ethnicity, prejudiced by race.

Dee said...

Liquid,
Like Fake Tony, you forget the fatal Kick to the Head by Piekarsky. Like Fake Tony, YOU forget the words of witness and fellow football player Lawson:

In a six-hour preliminary hearing, Joseph Benjamin Lawson Jr., 17, testified he and the five others in the group drank liquor in the woods before going to the Polish-American Fire Company block party, where they argued with a firefighter about ''messing around'' with other football players.

All three of the accused played on Shenandoah Valley High School's football team last year. Donchak was the quarterback. Lawson testified that, at the block party, Donchak was especially angry.

As they walked to Donchak's house, he testified, they came across Ramirez and Dillman's half-sister, Roxanne, 15, at the park. According to Lawson, another teen, Brian Scully, who has not been charged, said to the girl, ''Isn't it a little late for you to be out?''

The girl didn't answer, but Ramirez replied in Spanish, and Scully replied, ''This is Shenandoah, this is America, go back to Mexico,'' and used racial slurs. The two began fighting, Lawson said.
Donchak hurried to join in, Lawson testified. Ramirez went down and the others stood around him, kicking him to the head and torso, Lawson said. But it was after Ramirez got up, while fighting with Donchak, that Lawson said Walsh ran up and sucker-punched him in the face.

Ramirez fell to the ground with such force his head bounced off the macadam, leaving him unconscious. Then Piekarsky administered a FINAL KICK TO THE HEAD, Lawson said.

Anonymous said...

Makes one wonder if there was as much outrage by minorities/hispanics over how OJ got away with killing two white people, doesn't it? Or how about the crimes of illegal aliens that were posted under this topic? I read no empathy for their victims by the same people who are outraged over this white on hispanic crime.

Dee said...

Notice how Liquid, Fake Tony and all the restrictionist Hate Groups want us to forget this story and let the kids go scot free. As with the Long Island HATE CRIMES, We CANNOT allow these murderers to go scot free, otherwise these Hate Crimes will continue to happen. The FBI reports Hate Crimes against Latinos have risen significantly over the last few years, since all of this ANTI Immigration Reform rhetoric started. This ANTI LATINO HATE is enveloping entire families. In both the Shenandoah and in the Long Island case, the murderers were high school jocks - bullies who terrorize the Latino kids in school. In Long Island the most popular kids go out and Beaner Jump and Fxxx Up some Mexicans - those they believe are illegal immigrants as if it is ok because these Latinos are less than human. They dont know who is legal or illegal. All their hate can see is Brown. Lucero, the man they killed in Long Island, was here legally and was from Nicaragua. These killings and the rise in Latino Hate Crimes impacts every Brown person in America.
We are seeing some of this in Arpaios suppression sweeps. We are seeing it in Tulsa Racial Profiling. We are seeing it in High School Bullying across the country.
If we allow these murderers to go free, then ALL of us suffer! Our Children suffer! This has to stop!

Dee said...

As I said to Fake Tony in the other forum:
Fake,
What part of six drunken high school football players attacking one man, sucker punching him, yelling racial slurs, then administering one final kick to his head when he is laying on the the ground unconscious do you NOT understand! Initially he tried to defend himself. Then they all sucker punched and beat him to the ground with that final kick to the head. Their own football buddy provided this testimony at the preliminary hearing.
Put the shoe on the other foot! If it were 6 Latino High School Jocks and You walking with a girl in the park. Would you attempt to defend yourself once they attacked you? Would you be at fault once they administered that final kick to your head? How quick would you say Execute Them!

Anonymous said...

Has anyone seen the coroner's report? What does it say?

Dee said...

The Kick to the Head was the Fatal Blow. He died from his head injuries.

MURDER!!

Dee said...

As the football player Lawson testified:

Ramirez fell to the ground with such force his head bounced off the macadam, leaving him unconscious. Then Piekarsky administered a FINAL KICK TO THE HEAD, Lawson said.

The coroner´s report corroborated that Mr. Ramirez cause of death were his head injuries.

Dee said...

The question is, why would any sane person kick an unconscious man in the head and murder him?

He should receive the fullest penalty of the law!

LMJ said...

Let these murderer's go to prison. At least the ANTI's can rest knowing that after in prison these murderer's will receive EQUAL treatment of the person they murdered.

Dee said...

The ANTIs dont want them to go to prison. They are looking for any excuse to get them off scot free for this murder!

Dee said...

The worst part is, they are attempting to blame the victim!

They will not even acknowledge the drunken jock that fatally kicked him in the head after he lay unconscious on the ground should be punished to the fullest extent of the law!

Liquidmicro said...

"Anonymous said...

Has anyone seen the coroner's report? What does it say?

November 15, 2008 11:02 AM
Blogger Dee said...

The Kick to the Head was the Fatal Blow. He died from his head injuries.

MURDER!!

November 15, 2008 11:40 AM"

No it does not, as a coroners report has been submitted, there is no records of this case in the public eye, only portions in an article. At no time does the article state that the report says that the kick in the head killed Ramirez, it only states that blunt force trauma to his head is what killed him. That means it may have been the kick, it may have been the hit to the head by a fist with a piece of metal in it, or it may mean when Ramirez hit his head on the ground. There is no definitive proof that the kick is what killed him. The more you state that as the fact Dee the more I will harp on you, the more I will make you look foolish.

Liquidmicro said...

LMJ said...

Let these murderer's go to prison. At least the ANTI's can rest knowing that after in prison these murderer's will receive EQUAL treatment of the person they murdered.

November 15, 2008 12:45 PM
Blogger Dee said...

The ANTIs dont want them to go to prison. They are looking for any excuse to get them off scot free for this murder!

November 15, 2008 2:12 PM


This was not a case of murder, as already dropped by the judge. This was nothing more than a fight gone south, with the victim dying. Until you can clearly state the facts, neither of you will be shown to have any credibility, only your ignorant opinions of Guilty!! till proven innocent.

Liquidmicro said...

We are not blaming the victim, only acknowledging he had a part in this and according to Mrs Garcia's eye witness interviews and reports, Mr Ramirez became the aggressor to the second part of the fight. Your ignorance in excepting this information again shows your racial prejudice and bias.

Dee said...

Liquid,
You are such a spoiled child.
You deserve this statement:
This case has NOT been dropped by the judge. He is Reviewing the data. This case was MURDER but you are too prejudiced to admit the truth! You have ZERO credibility, ONLY YOUR IGNORANT OPINIONS!!

Liquid said....
This was not a case of murder, as already dropped by the judge. This was nothing more than a fight gone south, with the victim dying. Until you can clearly state the facts, neither of you will be shown to have any credibility, only your ignorant opinions of Guilty!! till proven innocent

Liquidmicro said...

I never said the judge was dropping the case, and MURDER charges where dropped when Class 1 & 2 was dropped, Class 3 is involuntary Manslaughter, not MURDER. But then you don't understand the dynamics of our laws.

As for my credibility, I have shown your libel accusations to be false and that, from the beginning, what the outcome of this case was going to come down to. You just can't stand it when someone proves you to be nothing more than a monger and prejudiced fool.

Dee said...

Liquid,
I almost feel sorry for you.
ALL of your FALSE accusations!
NONE of your stances proved to be accurate!
The FACTS are the JUDGE is still Ruling on this Case. NO decisions have been made.
And you are standing there holding an empty bag! And insisting YOU are right!
So Sad!!


Liquidmicro said...
I never said..

I have shown your libel accusations to be ...
November 15, 2008 5:07 PM

Dee said...

The FACTS are Mr.Ramirez is Dead! The cause of his death, per the medical examiner was Trauma to his head.
Piekarsky delivered that FINAL KICK TO THE HEAD as he lay unconscious.
The FACTS are Piekarsky should be Punished to the Fullest Extent of the Law!!!

Liquidmicro said...

Piekarsky should be charged with assault, unless it can be proven his kick is what killed Ramirez. Otherwise you are imprisoning an innocent man on a charge that isn't equal to his crime. But like I said, you don't understand the dynamics of our Laws.

The only one with the bag is you, and its full of HOT AIR.

Analisa said...

The insensitivity towards this man's death by the ANTIs is breathtaking to contemplate. When liquidmicro quoted me, he left out something crucial that I said: it is your STATEMENTS which reveal your racist mind set. It is this callous attitude - that Lucero's murder is somehow less important than a white man's -that leads us to the inescapable conclusion that those of you on the ANTI side are vehemently racist in your views and attitudes. You know, a while back - when I first started posting on Dee's blog - I visited the site of the one person who was honest enough to admit that he was a white supremacist. All the ANTIs congregated there to try to figure out who I am (hint: you won't find me on the web). It was an amusing to eavesdrop on that little conversation. But it was even more revealing to me about WHO YOU ARE as a group. Why were you so drawn to the site of a self-professed "white supremacist" if you're not racists? Tell me that. As the saying goes, you can tell who someone is by the company they keep. And I know very well that the latest strategy of hate groups is to recruit more members by appearing to be normal folks. But most Americans don’t think like you. A normal response to the brutal murder of a man is to express horror and sympathy for the victim and his family. So, who are you really? I strongly suspect that the ANTIs on this site are members of hate groups. I only have to listen to you to figure this out. You're not fooling anyone by claiming that you aren't against legal Latinos - just the undocumented (or in your words: "illegals"). Do you listen to yourselves? You hang with a white supremacist; you've made claims on earlier blogs that your race is more innovative, resourceful, creative, etc, than any other.; you discounted Dee’s examples of Hispanics who have won the Nobel Prize; you constantly use words that demean undocumented immigrants; you could care less about the death of this man – you make excuses for his killer. And most of you are too cowardly to use your real names… Are you afraid that someone you know will read your words and figure out how hateful you are? Why don’t you just put a sheet over your heads and be done with it? This isn’t normal behavior…it’s the behavior of people with serious racist views…. Most likely, you’re white supremacists who are hiding your true identity under the appearance of normalcy. And the kicker is that you’re not even that compassionate towards poor whites. Who was it who expressed sympathy for the white girl from Postville? Was it you? No, it was Dee who expressed compassion. You could learn something from this woman: namely, decency, compassion, humanity, Christian behavior: caring for your fellow man. Or is hatred the only real thing that really binds you together as a group?

BJ05 said...

Let me get this right! Anybody that tries to defend and seek justice for this young man who was murdered by these smart ass thugs is a racist, and those who believe these fine upstanding all American boys are heroes and should be freed are the Patriots?

I think not!

If this travesty of justice occurs, then people should band together and DEMAND the USDOJ bring Federal Civil Rights charges against these punks.

Federal time will be tougher on their little asses than State time.

They don't allow vaseline in the Federal facilities.

Liquidmicro said...

Man accused of sex with girl, 12

Deputies say she and the suspect had intercourse various times over several months.


Published August 26, 2004

BROOKSVILLE - A 26-year-old Brooksville man was charged Tuesday with 20 counts of sexual battery on a 12-year-old girl.

The Hernando County Sheriff's Office accused Eduardo Zavala, of 9030 Grande Av., of carrying on a sexual relationship with the girl shortly after the two met earlier this year. The victim told authorities that she and the suspect had intercourse numerous times over a period of several months.

According to authorities, the victim said she informed the suspect of her age, and both agreed to keep their relationship secret from her parents. The victim said that at one point the suspect asked her to marry him and return with him to Mexico, where he was born.

A witness provided printed copies of e-mails between the suspect and the victim that tended to confirm the relationship between the two, authorities said.

On Monday, written journals and a diary detailing the relationship were turned over to the Sheriff's Office.

Authorities suspect that Zavala, who works as a roofer, is possibly an illegal immigrant with no permanent ties to Hernando County or the United States.

Zavala was being held in the Hernando County Jail on $200,000 bail.


Now, check the full name, and you yourself can verify Luis Ramirez is Eduardo Luis Ramirez Zavala. Could this be Dillmans little sister?? Why, YES, YES, it is.

Dee said...

Liquid,
Stop attacking Analisa.
Stop name calling.
Do not call people ignorant!
I tried to get you off of this tactic by using your own words back to you but apparently you could not take the hint.
Stop attacking Analisa and others!

Liquidmicro said...

There was nothing inflammatory about my posts to Analisa and BJ05, Dee. You are becoming very untrue to your blog statement, squelching free speech, and dialect.

Liquidmicro said...

I said they are ignorant to the law, nothing more.

Dee said...

Analisa,
I agree with you.
Their insensitivity towards both of these innocent young mens murders is totally unbelievable!


Analisa said...
The insensitivity towards this man's death by the ANTIs is breathtaking to contemplate

Dee said...

Analisa,
Thank you for the tip on the ANTI commenters here on Hrans blog. He is a proud White Nationalist-Nazi. On his White Nationalist blog, the commenters were all rejoicing in their common White Nationalist views, particularly Alie. Its funny that those who profess the most extremist views on that site become offended when they are outed as being a racist. They are what they are and it is NOT name calling when a correct label is used.

Dee said...

Their hatred of Obama is horrifying. Their egotistical assumption they are superior and more intelligent than minorities and their belief that minorities, especially blacks and latinos are inferior is very troubling.

It is these White Nationalist groups that are on the internet brainwashing our children and spreading their hate. Just deplorable!

anonymous said...

bjo5,

no one is this blog has been called a racist for definding this victim or seeking justice for this crime.

no one in this blog has called these boys heroes either.

no one wants them freed if found guilty in a court of law. they should be punished to the full extent of the law. we all agree on that.

Anonymous said...

i don't hate Obama. i just don't agree with his politics. i didn't even vote this year. i don't care what skin color our president has either. it is what is upstairs in someone's head that counts.

i am white also but do not consider myself nor my race to be superior to any other either. i get along with everyone who doesn't have an axe to grind.

racist organizations exist in every race. they should all be outlawed imo. children should be taught all the right things in life by their parents such as racial tolerance and acceptance but it should also include being taught respect for ALL the laws of this country.

Dee said...

Liquid,
email me
dee_perezscott@yahoo.com

Dee said...

Liquid,
email me
dee_perezscott@yahoo.com

dont be afraid.

Liquidmicro said...

the only one afraid is you, you keep deleting my posts pointing out your lies and fallacies. Prove my points wrong.

You have my email addresses, and my company web site. The only scared here is you for allowing my posts to out you for what you are becoming and have become.

Dee said...

I have no fear.
I did lose your email.
Please email me.
dee_perezscott@yahoo.com

dont be afraid.

Anonymous said...

Why are you drawn to sites that detest Americans in general and white Americans in particular Analisa? Birds of a Feather??

"Why were you so drawn to the site of a self-professed "white supremacist" if you're not racists? Tell me that. As the saying goes, you can tell who someone is by the company they keep."

Vicente Duque said...

My condolences to the family of Luis Ramirez and to his wife Crystal Dillman for this horrible crime.

I find it also very awful and incredible that there are rallies and demostrations against Ms Dillman and Latinos in the wake of this brutal crime.

This only shows the racism, the perverted inhumanity of the murderers and his supportive friends.

Cruelty, Sadism, Hate, Hatred, What a sad World !

This is true terrorism !

I have a website on Race Relations and I am giving information on these crimes and linking "Immigration talk with a Mexican American".

http://raciality.blogspot.com/

http://milenials.blogspot.com/

Vicente Duque

Anonymous said...

No way this is going away, those guys will pay for what they did. The DoJ is now investigating.

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