Thursday, November 20, 2008

Mexican Emigration Down 42%

Mexican emigration has dropped 42% and we are at the lowest level in decades. It is time all of the Racial Profiling, heinous Detention Centers and Suppression Sweeps STOPPED!
MSNBC Reports:
Fewer Mexicans leaving homeland
Emigration down sharply; ailing U.S. economy, tighter border cited
MEXICO CITY - Mexican emigration has dropped 42 percent over the last two years, a government study released Thursday showed, confirming that America has become less appealing amid an economic downturn and stepped-up raids against illegal migrants. About eight of every 1,000 Mexicans emigrated between February and May of this year, according to the survey conducted by the National Statistics and Geography Institute. That's a 42 percent drop from the same period in 2006. In all of 2007, an estimated 814,000 Mexicans emigrated, compared to 1.2 million in 2006. The figure — which was reached through household surveys — includes all Mexicans who left the country, and did not break down legal and illegal migration. A summary of the investigation did not delve into the reasons for the drop. But experts say America's economic troubles and tighter border security have deterred many Mexicans from risking the journey to the United States, a trip that often means long desert treks, dodging bandits and bribing corrupt police. The vast majority of Mexican migrants go to the United States.
'No longer an American dream'
The study did not offer statistics past May 2008. But experts expect the trend to continue amid the financial crisis that rattled markets worldwide in September. "There is no longer an American dream, at least for the moment with the economic situation," said Victor Clark, the director of the Tijuana-based Binational Center for Human Rights, which works with illegal migrants. "News of mass raids snowball through towns that send a lot of migrants. In small northern towns, the news is that there is no work for Mexicans in the United States." There have long been indications that Mexican emigration has been falling dramatically. The U.S. Border Patrol has reported a 39 percent drop since 2005 in the capture of migrants trying to cross the frontier illegally. And Mexicans are sending less money home, hurting Mexico's second-largest source of foreign income behind oil exports. Remittances fell 12 percent to $1.9 billion in August, the biggest drop since record-keeping began 12 years ago, according to Mexico's central bank. The statistics are part of the broader 2006-2008 National Survey of Occupation and Employment, which studied 120,000 households.
Going back home
The study found no significant change in the number of Mexicans coming home. But the drop in emigration was so large that by the end of 2007, more Mexicans were returning home than leaving the country, the study said. Some authorities believe Mexican will see a surge of returning migrants as the economy worsens in the United States. Mexico City's municipal government has predicted that up to 30,000 more immigrants than usual will return from the U.S. over the next few months. Other towns across Mexico are also preparing for an influx of returning migrants.

53 comments:

Dave said...

I've heard this before, including how some sources say that latin american immigration peaked in the late nineties-2000. Somehow I also think that crimes and hate rhetoric against latinos/hispanics will continue to climb as the economy worsens, in part, due to the ANTIs wanting/needing a scapegoat to blame for the worsening economy. Hopefully there will be a balancing effect with Napolitano as the new head of the DHS, and the new administration. I think as DHS head, she can certainly affect Arpiaos chances of continuing on his mission, or influencing other areas to follow his lead.

john said...

since most mexican immigrants come here illegally these days, why is it a bad thing that they are being discouraged from doing so? i thought the concern in here was for those already here? now we are to be concerned about those who have yet to come here illegally? say it isn't so.

David said...

Look, you can come to america when ever you want, Just come through the FRONT door. If i visit your house and bread in through the basement ...that is wrong. But if i knock on the front and ask to come in...that is the right thing.
I am second generation born in the US from the Ukraine. My grand mother was 7 when she walked through ellis island. If you want to work and live here do the right thing and go through proper channels.

john said...

on another note, choosing not to migrate to a country who's economy is tanking just makes sense, doesn't it? leaving to go back to one's homeland just make sense also based on the above.

as far as the enforcement of our immigration laws, why would this be a discouragment to anyone wanting to migrate here legally? they would come with papers and not at risk of being deported.

ultima said...

This is good news and whatever we are doing that is working should continue unabated.

WE cannot be like Conrad's puffing gunboat in "Heart of Darkness", shelling indiscriminately at the opaque vastness. We must continue to focus our resources on the communities and locations where illegals and the hardened criminals among them live and congregate. Through this approach we reduce the indiscriminate aspect of apprehension and avoid the "opaque vastness" of the general population.

ultima said...

Since the primary cause appears to be the economic downturn this is the perfect opportunity to put in place those measures that will help deter future border violations as the economy improves in a year or two. It's the right time to put the barriers in place at the border and the enforcement mechanisms internally to show that we mean business this time. It is also the right time to revise the immigration laws to meter legal immigration to our precise needs rather than the demand for entry. Raise the bar for admission and seek those who can really help our economy.

The National Intelligence Report release today says,
"The potential for conflict will be greater in 2025 than it is now, as the world's population competes for declining and shifting, food, water and energy resources."

ultima said...

Does anyone see the similarity of this with what I have been posting about our need for a stable population national objective? Does anyone remember that or think about "the limit of finite natural resources per capita as population increases without bounds is zero."

ultima said...

When the national interest intersects with the rule of law, the government must act forcefully with determination to end the threat of immigration's unarmed invasion and its deadly consequences, especially now that our country is in recession and may be headed for rough water.

Anonymous said...

This arrogant attitude that the illegals have that they have some sort of right to enter our country illegally has got to stop. Though it is not pc to say, the truth is, the invasion of our country by massive numbers of entitlement seeking illegals, is what has caused the economic crisis in our country. Period!

Analisa said...

Anon,

I know that is you pat.

Analisa

Dee said...

Dave,
I agree.
Hate Crimes against Latinos are increasing as the economy declines. There are those that want someone to blame and the 12M appear to be an easy target for them.
I agree that Napolitano will make a difference!She stood up to Arpaio before. Now with Obama in charge and those he has selected for his cabinet, she is SURE to make a difference!! This is Great News!!

Dee said...

John,
No.You are wrong. Illegal immigration from Latino countries has dropped to a 10 year low. You have no data to prove that today, most mexican immigrants come her illegally. The data shows the opposite.
All we are asking is that given the history of immigration and the years of positive contribution, that workers be allowed to come out of the shadows and apply for citizenship, regardless of ethicity.
The levels of NEW are at an all time low and with secure borders ,will continue to be.


john said...
since most mexican immigrants come here illegally these days, why is it a bad thing that they are being discouraged from doing so? i thought the concern in here was for those already here?

Anonymous said...

I'm sick and tired of your "hate crimes against Latinos" mantra. It works both ways Dee. What the hell is the matter with you. There are many hate crimes against whites too. You makes me sick with all your whining.

Liquidmicro said...

"I agree that Napolitano will make a difference!She stood up to Arpaio before."

Arpaio is a State Officer, not a Federal Officer. If Napolitano excepts the position she will not stop 287(g). She will have no control over Arpaio. Jan Brewer will take over as Gov. of AZ.

Dee said...

David,
You have to understand the history of American Immigration before you can pass judgement.
Welcome to my blog. Stay for more discussion!

Dee said...

John,
Given all you have said, then it only makes sense to STOP TORTURING the LATINO CITIZENS and STOP ALL Suppression Sweeps (ala Arpaio) and Stop ALL THE HATE CRIMES against Latinos!!


john said...
on another note, choosing not to migrate to a country who's economy is tanking just makes sense, doesn't it? leaving to go back to one's homeland just make sense also based on the above.

as far as the enforcement of our immigration laws, why would this be a discouragment to anyone wanting to migrate here legally? they would come with papers and not at risk of being deported.

LMJ said...

Pat? Or Anon (Dee's too nice to say this so i'll say it for her) go and visit your kkk or neo-nazi blogs than and stop YOUR whining on this one, nobody cares about the hate you try and spew anyway, YOU make ME sick!!!

Dee said...

Well I believe the new AG will have considerable control over Arpaio, especially when he rescinds the 287(g) policies!


Liquidmicro said...
"I agree that Napolitano will make a difference!She stood up to Arpaio before."

Arpaio is a State Officer, not a Federal Officer. If Napolitano excepts the position she will not stop 287(g). She will have no control over Arpaio. Jan Brewer will take over as Gov. of AZ.

Dee said...

Analisa,
I agree. Anon has to be Pat!

Dee said...

Ulty,
While I am fine with secure borders and sanctions for the exploiting employers, we MUST stop the Racial Profiling, 287(g) policies, HATE CRIMES and Detention Centers!

We LATINO Citizens are going to take a stand! We will not abide by these types behaviors any longer!!

Liquidmicro said...

Dee said...

John,
Given all you have said, then it only makes sense to STOP TORTURING the LATINO CITIZENS and STOP ALL Suppression Sweeps (ala Arpaio) and Stop ALL THE HATE CRIMES against Latinos!!


287(g) was enacted by Congress in 1996, and signed by Bill Clinton, Napolitano would nave no control over who applies for 287(g) status. She would also have no control over local Officials from proceeding in the way that they have. 8 court cases have yet to prove Arpaio has racially profiled anybody.

You need to learn what Napolitano's position would entail and the process of our Government.

Liquidmicro said...

Keep in mind also that Napolitano was one of the first to place National Guard troops on the border and wanted them to stay longer than they did.

Analisa said...

Dee,

I didn't post this comment:

"Anon,

I know that is you pat.

Analisa"


Someone has created a blogger page using my name: Analisa. The ANTIs are obviously trying to drive me off of your blog. I guess that's one reason why this site is dominated by so many ANTIs and so few PROs. If they dont' like what you say, they drive you off. This is part of their bullying tactics. Please check my site to be sure it's me when someone posts as Analisa. But you're right, it is probably Pat or one of the ANONs. Pat did his best to bait me and get a rise out of me when I first joined your site. I ignored him and his crybaby act for the most part, so now he's trying to find another way to push my buttons. If he doesn't want me on the site, I wish he would be a man and tell me to my face. This is a child's game.

Analisa

john said...

latino citizens are being tortured? first I have ever heard of that. we will never be able to stop hate crimes against any race. humans will always be humans and some will always be racists. all that can be hoped for is that justice is done.

raids are a necessary tool to enforce our immigration laws. where is the data that says that most mexicans come here legally today? please post it.

patriot said...

Quote Analisa:

"Pat did his best to bait me and get a rise out of me when I first joined your site. I ignored him and his crybaby act for the most part, so now he's trying to find another way to push my buttons."

You and Dee get this straight because I haven't posted in this despicable blog for weeks now! I wouldn't even make this post but I am sick of you and Dee accusing me of posting under anonymous in here. I HAVE NOT DONE THAT EVEN ONCE SINCE I LEFT WEEKS AGO! I just read this blog for laughs now.

As far as your lying remark above about you ignoring me when you first started posting in here, you know that is a big fat lie! You came in here guns ablazing and attacking me with your very first post. I appealed to Dee for civility but she took sides with YOU the attacker instead of me a regular member in here who had graced her blog for months!

I had no further reason to ever post in here after realizing that Dee didn't give a damn about keeping civility in here unless you shared her views, then she became a biased hypocrite.

So you two can stop with your BS of me posting in here under anonymous. IT ISN'T TRUE! I want nothing more to do with you two white hating anti-Americans, ethnocentric racists! I read this blog now only because I respect both Liquid and Ultima and they have made you both look like the total fools that you are!

Go find another whipping post for your fantasy of me ever posting in this blog again!!!! It ain't never gonna happen again as long as I live!!!!

Analisa said...

Dee, you were right all along! You felt Patriot's eyes following your blog, and indeed he was. I just helped you smoke him out. ha,ha...love it!

Analisa ;~)

ultima said...

"due to the ANTIs wanting/needing a scapegoat to blame for the worsening economy"

You are patronizing us again. We understand as well any anti-America posters what little there is to know about the worsening economy. It is reasonable to assume Americans now would like some of those jobs held by illegals so they can feed their families. If you were in that position, you would too. Too bad you aren't at the moment, it would give you a whole new perspective on illegals and immigration in general.

ultima said...

Emigration is one thing; immigration numbers are quite another. Tell me how the number of illegals in this country has declined based on some authoritative source

Dee said...

John,
Read this post. Mexican emigratin is down 42%.It is at a 10 year low. The reports indicate there are more Mexicans returning than coming in.
Additionally if you go to the ICE website, the rate of illegal immigrants is also at an all time low.


john said...
where is the data that says that most mexicans come here legally today? please post it.

Dee said...

Ulty,
We American Patriots who are asking for Comprehensive Immigration Reform are the MOST Patriotic Americans of all! As I say in my headline, we support "Truth, Honesty (Justice) and the American Way!"
We want resolution to these Immigration issues, clear the backlog, allow people to come out of the shadows and get in line to legal status if they are felony free. We want the hate crimes and racial profiling to stop! The end to Detention Centers, ICE Raids!



ultima said...
You are patronizing us again. We understand as well any anti-America posters what little there is to know about the worsening economy. It is reasonable to assume Americans now would like some of those jobs held by illegals so they can feed their families.

Dee said...

Ulty,
Regarding your comment about jobs, using Postville as an example, legal citizens have NOT lined up to take the Postville jobs. Even today, they remain severly understaffed, having searched all over the world,from Somalia to the Pacific Islands, to recruit, and they still fall short.

Dee said...

Analisa,
I know Pat has been following along. He cant help himself.
Thank you for helping to smoke him out.

ultima said...

Dee wrote, "Regarding your comment about jobs, using Postville as an example, legal citizens have NOT lined up to take the Postville jobs. Even today, they remain severly understaffed, having searched all over the world,from Somalia to the Pacific Islands, to recruit, and they still fall short."

I thought the plant had shut down and the town had dried up and blown away. Did you mislead us about that? Sounds like the plant is still limping along. Perhaps there has been too much focus on CIR and not enough on a simpler bill designed just to enable employers to get the labor they need legally while protecting Ameerican labor. Maybe the Postville situation will improve if the city is in desperate straits. They may find that others will find those jobs more attractive if spouses are out of work and there is no food on the table. Of course, some will prefer any course of action such as welfare to actually working for a living. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make 'em drink. (Although I remember a story about Hertz-Rent-a-Camel. the beasts came in two varieties, the 30 gallon and the 60 gallon. I won't tell you how they got the second camel to suck up twice as much water!)

ultima said...

dee wrote, "We American Patriots who are asking for Comprehensive Immigration Reform are the MOST Patriotic Americans of all!"

You can thump your chest all you want about this but that doesn't make it so. By any objective standard, just the reverse is true. No one who favors foreigners illegally present in our country and their foreign governemnts over the wishes of their fellow citizens can be considered a patriot. There is a solution to this problem but it is not the variety of CIR you support. That is the easy route. The hard route requires a lot more attention to the rule of law, our national sovereignty and the national interest, as Senator Boxer suggests. There is ample evidence down through the ages that ethnic strife often occurs against a background of high population growth and food shortages. High rates of population growth often mean the youth are unable to get jobs when they leave high school or college. That joblessness and the resulting hopelessness added to the resource scarcity which is also due to population growth are the precursors of outbreaks of violence--consider Indonesia,Haiti, Rwanda, teh Gaza Strip, Algeria, Ethiopia, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Kashmir, the Solomon Islands, etc. The list is almost endless. Why would we want to go down that path? Violence and ethnic hatred are something I think we should work very hard to avoid. We can do that by not sweeping the problem under the carpet with amnesty and open borders. That approach will just add fuel to the fire. Why not take an approach that most Americans can subscribe to if they place the national interest first instead of a distant second. I believe there is such a solution and we could find out how well each of its components is supported by our people through a detailed national poll not unlike the regular census process. It would be money well spent. The only problem would be what questions to ask so that people have many choices between mass deportation and mass legalization. Although this is a republic in which our representatives usually make these decisions, this may too important for us to rely on them. I would prefer to have every proposed question be included rather than having some committee sorting through them and throwing out those they disagree with. Even those that may be partially duplicative should be allowed to make sure we leave no question unasked.

Evaluation of the answers would be difficult but if we were to say the provisions represented by the most yes responses would become the framework for CIR. What ten questions do you think would be appropriate? They have to be very specific to be of any use.

Anonymous said...

Why do you think everyone in here is Pat? You sound paranoid. I am posting in here under anonymous. If you don't like people posting anonymously, then take that feature out of here.


Dee,

I didn't post this comment:

"Anon,

I know that is you pat.

Analisa"

Anonymous said...

Dee, I am curious. Why do you see Hispanics always as victims?? What is up with that? There are plenty of white, yellow, black and brown victims in this country. Do Hispanic parents teach their kids from a very young age that they are inferior and always the victims? It is kind of pathetic if you ask me.

Dee said...

Ulty,
Have you ever seen work in a Meat Packing Plant?
The company has limped along because these jobs are truly jobs Americans do not want to do, particularly at $10 - $14 an hour.
Yes, the fact that "A federal grand jury has issued a 12-count indictment claiming that managers were intricately involved in efforts to employ illegal workers at a Postville slaughterhouse that was the site of one of the nation’s largest immigration raids."
But the larger issue is, this is a very tough job and the employers, wanted to stay in business, but did not want to pay union wages or put workers in safe conditions. Therefore the company bosses felt there was no other way but to bring in undocumented workers who will work for low wages.
I am going to write an Economy post today or tomorrow. I want to discuss this entire issue. How can GM stay in business? They cut wages to $14 an hour and reduced benefits. Now what? Will Americans do these difficult jobs for low pay and no benefits or risk the plants closing and the jobs going overseas permanently? What is the solution?

ultima said...
Dee wrote, "Regarding your comment about jobs, using Postville as an example, legal citizens have NOT lined up to take the Postville jobs. Even today, they remain severly understaffed, having searched all over the world,from Somalia to the Pacific Islands, to recruit, and they still fall short."

I thought the plant had shut down and the town had dried up and blown away. Did you mislead us about that? Sounds like the plant is still limping along. Perhaps...

ultima said...

Dee wrote, "But the larger issue is, this is a very tough job and the employers, wanted to stay in business, but did not want to pay union wages or put workers in safe conditions."

I have maintained for some time that the wages and benefits paid to foreign workers should be at the American standard for that kind of work, i.e. the union wage and OSHA should be giving this type of plant regular attention. I have not seen the inside of a meat packing plant except on TV. I believe there was a story about the early days of Chicago. It showed these men wielding huge meat axes to slide the carcasses in two. It looked like very strenuous work. At that time it was being done by German and Polish immigrants. I did see a cow being killed and butchered in a slaughter house once. If union wages and benefits were paid, perhaps that would make it attractive to more Americans, although attractive is not the right word for this kind of work.

The GM problem is related as much to the costs being incurred to support retirees as does for current labor costs. It seems like a simple solution to reduce union wages to the level of their counterparts in the Toyota and Honda plants. Those folks seem to be well-satisfied. This does not solve the retiree cost problem and that is another major factor why GM and Ford cannot compete. The newer plants in the South are not only more efficient but they have fewer retirees at this time. I don't think it is as simple as the product line, although some bad decisions were made in that area also. If necessary, I think the bailout should be focused on new tooling and robotics and perhaps a way to help pay the retiree costs but only if there are significant concessions from the union to make future costs competitive with domestic and foreign manufacturers.

Just sending them the money without the necessary concessions and modernization plans would be a huge waste. Management also has to make concessions. It would be tough for them if anyone earning over $250,000 was ineligible for a bonus. But these are tough times all over.

One of the interesting ways suggested to help the economy with a quick shot in the arm was to make the Bush tax cuts permanent. An announcement like that would cause the stockmarket to shoot through the roof and might loosen the purse strings as people began to feel better about the economy. This has almost become a psychological game. If we can't convince consumers every thing is going to be okay, we will be in a downward spiral for a long time. I don't even know what it would take in the final analysis to recover, after all we don't have a WW II on the horizon to put people back to work.

ultima said...

RE: Postville costs. I wonder whether the number cited was for incremental costs only. Salaries and benefits as well as some other expenses are really sunk costs that would have to be paid whether the raid was made or not. Of course, there are some real incremental costs like the motels, per diem, helicopte wear and tear and fuel, and any facilities that were leased.

The answer to some of the costs is simply to streamline and expedite the repatriation process. All in all I think the ICE did a commendable job in keeping with its charter. It just needs better tools and imbedded immigration judges. It is the long drawn out procedures that really rack up the costs.

ultima said...

Dee wrote, " As I say in my headline, we support "Truth, Honesty (Justice) and the American Way!"
We want resolution to these Immigration issues, clear the backlog, allow people to come out of the shadows and get in line to legal status if they are felony free. We want the hate crimes and racial profiling to stop! The end to Detention Centers, ICE Raids!"

Almost everyone can agree with about the first half of this. We all want truth, honesty, justice and the American way. Truth: these folks are here illegally; Honesty: the vast majority of Americans want most of them to be repatriated; Justice: conformity to the law; the American way: secure the borders, continue effective internal enforcement, protect American labor, repatriate those who have not assimilated or who are holding jobs Americans will do of offered a union wage and a hiring preference.

Deny amnesty, come out of the shadows and register while your case is being adjudicated, stop the hate crimes against all races,keep detention time to a minimum through expedited processing and minimal appeals, install inspector generals in detention facilities and provide ombudsmen and investigators to stop abuses, ICE must continue to do its job, assure that potential illegals know what the result will be, reduce profiling by obtaining the cooperation of citizens in apprehending illegals.

ultima said...

Dee wrote, "We LATINO Citizens are going to take a stand! We will not abide by these types behaviors any longer!!"

In a word, you don't care about America the Beautiful; you are opting for Mexico Norte. Jails, prisons and detention centers are nothing new. They have always been a part of effective law enforcement. If you oppose that concept, you suggest that we turn loose all lawbreakers. We have reported some of the results of those who have been repeatedly turned loose. Sorry but that concept won't work and hasn't worked, the evidence is in hand to prove that.

You only want the laws you favor to be enforced. It doesn't work that way. All laws should be enforced. If Latinos are opposed to that fundamental idea, God help us.

LMJ said...

"Dee, I am curious. Why do you see Hispanics always as victims?? What is up with that? There are plenty of white, yellow, black and brown victims in this country. Do Hispanic parents teach their kids from a very young age that they are inferior and always the victims? It is kind of pathetic if you ask me."

WELL KNOW ONE ASKED YOU, so what you REALLY need to ask yourself is why do YOU have a problem with someone who wishes to point out these trajeties that the right-wing racist in the country wish to keep hush hush, OH NO, COULD IT BE, ARE YOU MASKING THE PAINFUL TRUTH, YOU ARE RACIST, it's ok to admit the truth

john said...

i am sure that many immigrants are finding migrating to this country of late not as desirable because of our failing economy. that would include immigrants from all over the world, not just mexico. so why the cries only about immigration numbers from mexico being down? immigration enforcment would also make it less desirable for illegal immigrants to attempt to come here now. that is a good thing, isn't it?

the article did not break down the number of legal vs illegal immigrants from mexico that were down. as i said, for some time now the number of illegal immigrants coming here from mexico is a lot higher than those coming here legally.

i fail to see the downside of illegal immigrants leaving for their homelands due to the economy and increased enforcement of our immigration laws.

Liquidmicro said...

"using Postville as an example, legal citizens have NOT lined up to take the Postville jobs. Even today, they remain severly understaffed, having searched all over the world,from Somalia to the Pacific Islands, to recruit, and they still fall short."


Prior to Agriprocessors moving to Postville, the town got along just fine, the owners moved in, exploited the town, brought in foreign workers and exploited them, brought in more foreign workers, legally this time, and still can not pay its debts. Agriprocessors is a company that should never have been in business to begin with, closing them down is the best thing that can happen to all mankind, no more exploitation by the owners of the town or the employees.

None of the workers ever received any pay higher then $7 - 9 per hour, read what the workers themselves have stated, you rely to much on the supposed 'flyers' and want ads to make your claim of $10 - 14 per hour.

I say shut'em down!!

Dee said...

Ulty,
Here is what you are not getting.
Toyota pays neither union wages nor allows for seniority.
In San Antonio, Toyota opened a new plant a couple of years ago.
There are no unions.
No one has seniority. They have rotating shifts. Rotating Days off. Rotating weekends.
They do not receive union wages, somewhere around $14 an hour.
Most workers there are Latino.
Legal status?
Who knows. Most likely citizens, but do not know.

Now you say can they do this in Detroit and will the former workers abide by the new format? Most likely not.


Ultima said...
The GM problem is related as much to the costs being incurred to support retirees as does for current labor costs. It seems like a simple solution to reduce union wages to the level of their counterparts in the Toyota and Honda plants. Those folks seem to be well-satisfied.

Dee said...

Anon,
Why dont you name yourself.Sounds pathetic and cowardly to me.
Be brave.
Just call yourself Nancy.

Anonymous said...
Dee, I am curious. Why do you see Hispanics always as victims?? What is up with that? There are plenty of white, yellow, black and brown victims in this country. Do Hispanic parents teach their kids from a very young age that they are inferior and always the victims? It is kind of pathetic if you ask me

Dee said...

Ulty,
My original post dealt with Racial Profiling and Latino Hate Crimes. So now, by this statement, you are saying you abide by them?

ultima said...
Dee wrote, "We LATINO Citizens are going to take a stand! We will not abide by these types behaviors any longer!!"

In a word, you don't care about America the Beautiful; you are opting for Mexico Norte.

Dee said...

John,
Please provide your url.
I find no proof of this in any documentation. In fact I find otherwise.


john said...
as i said, for some time now the number of illegal immigrants coming here from mexico is a lot higher than those coming here legally.

john said...

The number of legal immigrants allowed is anywhere from 700,000 to 900,000 on an annual basis. The department that deals with immigration services and benefits is now the USCIS or U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services which used to be known as the INS or Immigration and Naturalization Service. In March 1, 2003 the USCIS became a part of the Department of Homeland Security. However, the immigration enforcement responsibilities fall under the Department’s Border and Transportation Security Directorate which is more commonly known as the Bureau of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement or ICE.

http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/immigration_us.html

From the Border Patrol,
Jacques notes that we have apprehended an annual average of 1.3 million migrants in the past dozen years.

http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?filepath=/features/0807-01/0807-01edit.htm

note that the legal immigration allowance is 700,000-900,000 total per year, for all countries but 1.3million illegal immigrants have been apprehended annually at the border trying to enter our country illegally. most of them were mexicans or other latin americans.

Dee said...

John,
You op-ed is about a year and a half old.
Go to ICE. They have the most recent reports. It is biased but it does note the drastic drops.

john said...

that doesn't change the legal immigration quotas nor does it change the fact that in the past 20years that we have had more illegal immigration from mexico than legal. i am aware that illegal entry is down recently and that some are leaving due to the economy and increased immigration enforcement. the latter would not be a deterrant to legal immigration from mexico because they would have papers.

Dee said...

John,
You and those on your side refuse to acknowledge the history of Immigration into our country over the last 100 years, the accountability of Business, Lobbyists and the Administration, all which allowed the number to reach 12M, and the impossibility of Mass Deportation of the 12M here.

Additionally you fail to acknowledge the negative impact Racial Profiling and restrictionist laws has on the 50M Latino legal citizens we have in this country now, and the inhumane treatment workers receive when raids occur and when they are thrown into those crony owned detention centers.

Dee said...

The whole Immigration system needs to be overhauled. The current backlog in processing causes many to avoid the system.
In December I am going to post blogs some actual backlog cases so viewers will understand the true issues.

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