Monday, May 12, 2008

DeWeese letter to Beck: "Just Say NO to SAVE Act!" (Even the ANTIs Agree!)

An open letter from famous ANTI Leader Tom DeWeese (American Policy Center) to famous ANTI Leader Roy Beck (NumbersUSA) advocates "Just Say NO to the SAVE Act!" As I have shared, and as DeWeese explains, we ALL lose our Civil Liberties if this heinous Act is passed.

Dear Roy,
As we agreed during our conference call in December, I want to fulfill on my obligation to address our concerns with Sections 201, (Mandatory Employment Authorization Verification through the E-Verify System) and 203 (Establishment of Electronic Birth and Death Registration Systems) of the SAVE Act (Secure America Through Verification and Enforcement Act. H.R. 4088) ...The question of whether a National ID is good or bad is really a question of who is the predator and who is the prey. In the case of illegal immigration clearly those of us who want to rid the nation of illegals are the predators. So it is easy to support such means to rid us of this threat. Some of us may even take pride in being able to "show our papers" to prove "we are American citizens." It's pretty compelling - until the same system is used to make us the prey. That is my fear, and that is why I oppose any excuse to create even a small piece of a National ID databank system. Like you, I certainly have political enemies. Someday I will certainly be the prey.
Once begun, even for an honorable purpose, how can the system be controlled? Homeland Security Secretary Chertoff has said, "Again, eventually, this might allow us to do double-duty or triple duty, have the same license also be used to cross the border, and be used for a whole host of other purposes where you now have to carry different identification." Could it be that those other purposes won't match what you are hoping to accomplish? Could it be that once such a system is in place it will be out of our control?
Congressional testimony by Professor Ben Shneiderman of the University of Maryland explains in great detail the problems inherent in trying to integrate existing data banks as a means to guarantee identification.
"While most proposals have been well intentioned, some have been misguided in that they overlook the potential for unintended consequences or underestimate the technical challenges and risks inherent in their implementation." Professor Shneiderman, an expert in human-computer interaction, went on to say: "A national ID system requires a complex integration of social and technical systems, including humans to enter and verify data, plus hardware, software and networks to store and transmit. Such socio-technical systems are always vulnerable to error, breakdown, sabotage and destruction by natural events or by people with malicious intentions.
For this reason, the creation of a single system of identification could unintentionally result in degrading the overall safety and security of the nation, because of the unrealistic trust in the efficacy of the technology... The fact is the Real ID Act is not going to just help create a NATIONAL ID, instead it is helping to create an INTERNATIONAL Biometric ID Card. The world is being enrolled into a single global biometric ID system through documents purported to establish and authenticate identity - passports, driver's license Social Security card and others. On March 1, 2007 REAL ID's "Notice of Proposed Rulemaking" was issued, revealing REAL ID's global biometric connection. The three main entities driving this system are: The Department of Homeland Security, The American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, (AAMVA) and the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO). ..Together, DHS, AAMVA and ICAO are fulfilling the three elements necessary for a global biometric system. The fact is, whether it is your intention or not, by including Sections 201 and 203 into the SAVE Act, you are aiding this international ID effort. This won̢۪t increase security, but rather prepare us for a tyranny unknown in human history. ..
Freedom is a difficult concept to retain. We live in dangerous times indeed and we must be very careful in our actions as we seek to achieve certain goals. Just because the technology exists, does not mean that it is the solution to our problem. Nor does its existence require us to use it, especially if such use will make this or other problems worse. This is the case with integrating unrelated, and poorly verified data bases which always has unintended consequences. I believe Sections 201 and 203 of the SAVE Act are helping to create parts of a matrix that will lead to a National ID system which will destroy our liberty. Those are the very liberties you see as threatened by illegal immigration. Illegal immigration can be stopped - but if allowed to start, a National ID will be forever. In such a system today's predators will be tomorrow's prey.
For these reasons, the American Policy Center and others are now prepared to resume our fight to oppose the SAVE Act.

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

dee

The reason you are aginst the Save Act is because you are pro-illegal
immigration. The reason you do not want a national ID has nothing to do with the reasons stated in the article.

Dee said...

Anon,
As I have posted many times, I am against the SAVE Act for several reasons. This is one of them. The others include hiring a vast number of contractors, like Blackwater to patrol the border and to fly unmanned aircraft to patrol neighborhoods.
If the SAVE act is passed, we will lose our civil liberties and it will be 1984 - a Gestapo Military State!

patriot said...

Famous anti leader? I have never even heard of him. That is one person's opinion, that is all. I'll bet if you searched the internet you would find that the overwhelming majority of all Americans support the SAVE ACT and that includes all of the anti organizations that I have ever heard of. Grasping at straws are we dee for some support on our side?

By the way I never saw the word "heinous" used in that e-mail. LOL!

Dee said...

Pat, You have never heard of Tom DeWeese? Have you heard of the American Policy Center, the conservative think tank? He is about as famous as Roy Beck. You´ve heard of Roy Beck and NumbersUSA and his godfather John Tanton, the godfather of the ANTIs. Haven´t you? These guys are all your ANTI leaders and you all are following their policies. They are the creators of your PC strategy and using sanitized terms such as "Rule of Law" and "ethnocentric" and the ever famous "population and gumball theory."

patriot said...

No, as I said I have never heard of Tom DeWeese. I only heard of John Tanton in this blog. I have however heard of Roy Beck.

PC strategy? WTH does that mean? Since when is the Rule of Law a "sanitized term? It is what it is and what this country is based on. Ethnocentric describes you and your pro-illegal Hispanic followers.

Yes, I know of the gumball theory and it makes perfect sense to those of us who are for stabilizing our population growth to ensure a healthy future for our country.

Dee said...

Look up Tom DeWeese and American Policy Center. The APC is a very prominent ANTI organization.

Dee said...

This prominent group is saying NO to the SAVE ACT!

(read it twice...Pat, SAY NO!)

Liquidmicro said...

If I understand this correctly, DeWeese is only against sections 201 and 203 of the SAVE Act. If these sections were removed, would he then before the passing of the rest of the SAVE Act? Petition Congress to remove those 2 sections, and pass the remaining sections.

patriot said...

I really don't care what any group has to say about it dee, no matter how prominent they may be. I have my own thoughts and feelings on it and I want the SAVE ACT to pass.

dianne said...

What the heck is wrong with our government. They can track me down for a $14.00 late payment and I wasn't late and won the charge. Damn them. I'll tell ya something though. Throughout my career I spent a ton of time in D.C. working with government employees. They beat the door down at 4:30. Once, even ran out and left me in their office, not even offering to assist me, during a fire alarm.

Disgusting.

Dee said...

Liquid,
I think its more than just those two sections. It is about the loss of our civil liberties. The SAVE Act has language about increased contractors and increased surveillance and sweeps. Blackwater is already hoping to be the contractor, building additional bases and unmanned aircraft. We will be living in a Military State if this thing is passed.

Brad said...

Way to be a hold a typical anti-American pro-Mexican position Dee. Do us all a favor and go back to Mexico; We don't need another violent underclass like the blacks. www.goodoleboybumperstickers.com

anon 1 said...

Gee brad, racist much? Do me a favor, never post here again unless you have something non-hateful to say, also don't act like you OWN this country, I know you pretend you do but in reality, your just another pion like the rest of us, so stop hating your brothers and sisters.

patriot said...

"Living in a military state"? LOL! If nothing else dee you are good for a good laugh with your melodramatics and exaggerations.

anon 1 said...

I agree Pat, if it all weren't true it wouldn't be funny. The simple fact is that this is true, does make it laughable/unbelievable. It's Sat... But True

patriot said...

American citizens will never live in a military state. Enforcement of our immigration laws has nothing to do with them. Unless you call being asked for I.D. "living in a military state".

Dee said...

Anon1,
Thanks for talking to Brad. Obviously he is firm in his goodoleboy opinions and does not wish to discuss the issues civilly.

Hran said...

re: www.goodoleboybumperstickers.com

If I put one of these on my car and drove around LA county, I'd get lynched. By Hispanics or blacks -- perhaps both.

Liquidmicro said...

Everything I have read of what DeWeese said in his letter, to include the actual letter, only mentions sections 201 & 203. He seems to be more against the REAL ID ACT for globalized bio-metric Identification. Yet what he fails to understand is that everybody already has a "Real ID" with their Drivers License. Don't believe me, look to the magnetic strip on the back of your Drivers License or ID card. To get a job already, you must show one of these two forms of ID + your SS card. All the Real ID Act actually does is place the information into a single database vs. 50+ different databases.

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