Thursday, April 10, 2008

Mesa braces for unrest! Mesa Police Chief Pleads for Help from Community Leaders: "Save me from Arpaio!"

Sheriff Arpaio is planning on conducting more Racial Profiling sweeps, this time in Mesa. The city is now anticipating racial unrest & is bracing itself after a few gun toting pro-Arpaioists demonstrated & their animals lunged at police. Mesa Police Chief is begging Arpaio to provide him 2 days notice & begging community leaders for HELP!
Mesa Police Chief George Gascón, citing growing concerns over possible civil unrest tied to anti-illegal immigration sweeps by Sheriff Joe Arpaio, is stepping up efforts to ensure public safety, including reaching out to clergy and the legal community for help. Gascón told his staff in a memo Thursday that the department is developing a plan to handle potential civil unrest or demonstrations tied to sweeps by the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. The memo came after a Thursday morning demonstration by 15 pro-Arpaio demonstrators at Gilbert and Broadway roads in a heavily immigrant part of Mesa. During what Gascón called a “mostly lawful demonstration,” one of the protesters got into a verbal altercation with a Black male. The argument escalated and Gascón said the demonstrator called the man “homie” and used the “N” word. Another demonstrator had a pit bull dog that lunged and snapped at officers, he said. It is unclear whether the demonstrators, who were mostly male, belonged to an organized group. “This incident, as well as others during prior sweeps, are clear indications of the volatility that can be visited upon our city as these events continue to unfold,” Gascón wrote. “Counter demonstrators have been observed carrying firearms, and tensions are escalating.”
Gascón's plan would include clergy and members of the legal community serving as mediators with the crowds. He said demonstrations would be videotaped. Sgt. Fabian Cota, head of the Mesa Police Association, one of two police unions, said Gascón is preparing for the worst, “but we are hoping for the best.”
“If you look at the potential for violence with people showing up with guns on both sides of the aisle in such an emotional issue and you add racial overtones, that is all the ingredients for civil unrest,” he said.
Cota said officers were recently told to make sure all their equipment was working properly including gas masks in the event of demonstrations. MCSO Chief of Enforcement Brian Sands said the office is offended by Gascón's reaction. “Why is he editorializing in a memo and then releasing it to the media and not calling the sheriff,” Sands said, adding he has not seen any unruly protesters or major incidents in eight crime suppression patrols. On Tuesday, Gascón wrote to Arpaio after eight state legislators invited the sheriff to conduct immigration sweeps in the East Valley. Gascón asked for at least two days' notice, including time and location, before the sheriff conducted sweeps. He also requested liaisons between the two law enforcement agencies. Arpaio on Wednesday said he would take the chief's letter into consideration but said he already notifies agencies in advance of any crime suppression sweeps. However, Arpaio's deputies made two unannounced visits to Mesa in November, touching off a brief war of words between the agencies.

Readers: I pledge to keep you posted of the events occuring in Mesa!

99 comments:

patriot said...

Oh goody, something else for dee to rant and rave about for days.

Hran said...

This is what happens when America tries to defend itself. It shows how bad things have gotten. We can't even attempt to enforce the law. I suppose you would have white Americans just remain passive as the torrent of immigration continues. Is this correct, Dee?

Dee said...

hran,
welcome to my blog.
I call for Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

As far as Sheriff Joe is concerned, I call for the end of his Racial Profiling and the terrorizing of towns in AZ. Their own Mayors and Police say the Sheriff is OUT OF CONTROL!! and they are pleading for help!!

Hran said...

I haven't been following the situation in Phoenix. However, I imagine there are tons of illegals there, and they are not from Poland. Isn't it obvious that they are mostly Mexican?

Dee said...

hran, are you saying it is ok to racial profile all Latinos in these sheriff round ups? I dont agree at all. In fact the mayors and local police dont agree either and they beg for assistance from community leaders to keep arpaio out!

Tells you something, doesnt it.

patriot said...

Since most of these towns that the Sheriff is patrolling are overwhelmingly filled with Hispanics (which is typical of that part of the country), kind of hard to scream racial profiling, isn't it?

If there were a crime spree (in this case immigration violations) in lily white "Mayberry" who do you think the cops would more than likely question....hint it wouldn't be Black people.

Dee said...

Look at what Arpaio supporters are doing:
Last Thursday morning demonstration by 15 pro-Arpaio demonstrators at Gilbert and Broadway roads in a heavily immigrant part of Mesa. During what Gascón called a “mostly lawful demonstration,” one of the protesters got into a verbal altercation with a Black male. The argument escalated and Gascón said the demonstrator called the man “homie” and used the “N” word. Another demonstrator had a pit bull dog that lunged and snapped at officers, he said.

Hran said...

I wouldn't mind having the sheriff back off, since it seems to cause a furor. I favor indirect methods, such as the laws that Arizona has enacted: see Arizona slams door on illegal immigrants

The main tool is to crack down on the employers with heavy fines. If there are no illegal jobs, the workers will go home on their own accord. There is no need to "round them up". This combined with a credible border fence would lead to a net negative flow of illegals. The process of clearing the country of "undocumented workers", as the pro-immigration folks like to say, would take years, but it would not involve the high-handed tactics of the sheriff in question.

Buzzm1 said...

Be certain to let the Mesa officials know

Mesa Mayor Keno Hawker
Vice Mayor Claudia Walters - District 1
Councilmember Mike Whalen - District 2
Councilmember Tom Rawles - District 3
Councilmember Kyle Jones - District 4
Councilmember Darrell Truitt - District 5
Councilmember Scott Somers - District 6
Council Assistant Marquisha Griffin

mayor.hawker@cityofmesa.org,
councilmember.walters@cityofmesa.org,
councilmember.whalen@cityofmesa.org,
councilmember.rawles@cityofmesa.org,
councilmember.jones@cityofmesa.org,
councilmember.truitt@cityofmesa.org,
councilmember.somers@cityofmesa.org,
marquisha.griffin@cityofmesa.org,

Buzzm1 said...

Hispanics need to realize that this is Americans versus illegals; it isn't Americans versus Hispanics.

They can line up on any side they want to, but if they choose to be on the side of the illegals, then they shouldn't complain about the flack they receive

True Americans put their nationality ahead of their race.

patriot said...

Again dee, why are you so obessesed with the MINORITY radical anti's? Why isn't your focus on the MAJORITY of non-radical American anti's who are opposed to illegal immigration for non racist reasons? I will tell you why, it is because you can't demonize those merely for the rule of law so you pretend that radicals represent the majority of sane anti's in this country. Pathetic, really!

patriot said...

buzz, well stated. But you see these ethnocentric racist traitors know that is why they are receiving flack, they just don't care because their agenda trumps everything. They just use the well deserved flack they receive to play victim and the race card.

Dee said...

Pat, You are ridiculous. On the one hand you claim the majority of ANTIs (like you) are not racist, then in the very next statement, you call me an ethnocentric racist traitor. Your obvious racism always shows through.

If we were to rate ANTIS 1 - 10 from low to high "racists against Latinos" you would be about an 8. Arpaio and his crew would fall in the 8 - 10. Granted there are some of you that fall in lower categories and are probably not, but the vast majority are what you are.

The mayors and the local police are PLEADING with Arpaio to stop his racial profiling harassment of the local community.

These 15 armed zealot marchers who savaged the Latino neighborhood calling locals the N word and intimidating the locals and police with their wild dogs are not very good press for your side, that is for sure!

Dee said...

Buzz,
Welcome to my blog. Both sides participate in civil discussion here. We hope you continue to join in with us.

I think most Latino citizens support secure borders and comprehensive immigration reform. The problem occurs when people like Arpaio bring their road show to a Latino community and harrass the citizens.

Look at these 15 Arapio zealots. They are even scaring the police. It is the Police Chief asking for help and protection from these guys.

The Mayors from Phoenix and Guadalupe also asked for help and protection from the Arpaio gangs.

Arpaio has to be stopped. He is NOT helping anyone but the extreme racists´ agenda by continuing his racial profiling rampages!

patriot said...

Sorry dee but I am not the one who is advocating the illegal entry into our country by my own ethnic kind, YOU ARE! Now just who is the racist?

patriot said...

I am not a racist against anyone! How am I racist against Hispanics? Show proof or STFU!

patriot said...

Quote dee:

"I think most Latino citizens support secure borders and comprehensive immigration reform. The problem occurs when people like Arpaio bring their road show to a Latino community and harrass the citizens."

NOPE! They don't want secure borders otherwise they wouldn't be opposing the fence which is a huge deterrant to illegal entry and will help the BP immensely....SMOKE, MIRRORS AND LIES!

CIR....the kind of CIR they want is amnesty/legalization for their illegal amigos. That isn't what most Americans want so what is your point?

It isn't harrassment for any American to be asked for I.D. by law enforcement. If you have nothing to hide, why the objection?

Dee said...

Pat,
You are going over the top. Stop your coded swearing. (the STFU) I delete profanity on my civil blog.

Secondly, as I have said from day 1, most PROs support Secure Borders, Employer Sanctions and Comprehensive Immigration Reform which includes a path to legalization for those here. What is it you dont understand.

We DO NOT support OPEN BORDERS or your goofy ethno centric nonsense. Those are YOUR crazy words. Just stop it and stop the name calling. You are losing it.

Or as Anon 3 says, you are doing the Pat Dance again!!!

Dee said...

We also adamently oppose:
1. Racial Profiling. This is what Arpaio and his men are guilty of.
2. Heinous Crony Owned Detention Centers
3. Untrained Private Contractors patrolling or securing borders. Only trained BPs.
4. ANTIs lumping all Latino Citizens into your racial profiling of illegal immigrant sweeps of neighborhoods and attacks and false reports (as in the high school incident)

TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE FACTS PAT!!!

Anonymous said...

You ANTI's are UNBELIEVABLE!!! But go on, stay in denial, keep telling yourselves that race has nothing to do with immigration, keep living in your MAYBERRIAN world, build your FENCE, or better yet, lets backtrack 50 years and have just white's only everything and leave the scraps for the poor colored folks, some of you are old enough that lived it, what was it that you called it? Oh yeah, the good ol' days, makes me sick, stop the hate and racism and you've solved immigration, period. And DEE, it's anon #1, how dare you think me 3rd place lol

Hran said...

Anon, Dee et al.

I don't want my ethnic group to be annihilated. Is that so bad? Do you want yours to be annihilated? I doubt it. In any case, its safe in Mexico. No group is flooding into Latin America.

Dee said...

Hran,
Havent you heard? We are a beautiful multi cultural society.

Cant we all just get along?

Anonymous said...

hran, last I heard minutemen members, kkk, neo-nazi members aren't killing white conservatives who live in mayberry USA, their the ones doing annihilating, legal and ILLEEEEGAL ppl of color, oh but I forgot, thats ok in your book cuz it's their fault for living in this country and not flooding into latin america

patriot said...

What do you mean I don't understand, dee? You and yours don't really want secure borders otherwise you would be in favor of the fence. I understand pefectly. Yes, you want the kind of CIR that gives illegal aliens amnesty/legalization. I don't see where I don't understand. I described your stance on both issues perfectly.

Anonymous said...

hran

Just want you to know that the post shown above is "dee" who pretends to be this anon every so often.

anon101

patriot said...

anon, this isn't about the civil rights era. Blacks were citizens, illegal aliens are not!

White people have just as much right to preserve their culture, language and heritage in this country without interference from illegal immigration just as much as Hispanics do in the 22 countries that they are the majority in!! You and your side are the hateful racist ones. You advocate changing this country into another Hispanic country thru illegal immigration and we are the racists ones? What kind of idiotic logic is that?

Dee said...

You know Pat, I dont know what you mean by your words "preserve white culture."

Are you saying that you want to deport all people that are not white?
Are you saying you want to preserve the white race and therefore stop any one race from intermarrying with others?

What do you mean by "preserving the white race?"

It sounds kind of Nazi or KKK to me.

Dee said...

Attention to all Posters:
I only post under my own name, Dee. I do not post as an anonymous poster. There are many, many PROs. When they choose to post as anonymous, you make your side seem very weak when you say all of the anons are me.

This is a silly, silly argument and when you make this claim, you make your side look silly.

If I wanted to post as anonymous, why would I host a blog.

Anyone who says so has a very weak argument and I feel sorry for you.

Write me. I encourage you. We can discuss this further. My email is: dee_perezscott@yahoo.com
If I wanted to be anonymous, why would I post my email?

All I want to do is encourage discussion by both sides. I have many anonymous posters on both sides.

If I wanted to be anonymous, I certainly would not host a blog.

If I wanted to make a dumb, silly argument, I would say all anonymous ANTI posters are Pat. See how silly that is? Silly!

patriot said...

dee, it means the same thing as Latinos wanting to retain their majority status and culture in their own countries, nothing more and nothing less. It has nothing to do with inter-marrying or wanting to deport "citizens" in this country who are not white. It is about illegal aliens changing the demographics of our country. Don't make it into something that it isn't.

Is it Nazi or Brown KKK for Latino countries to advocate the preservation of their race, culture and language in their own countries? I think not!

patriot said...

Check out your precious Hispanic
Business Forum dee and see how your pet pro's in there keep accusing all of the anti's in there of posting under different names. Pot, kettle, black!

Anonymous said...

will the anon who uses words like Mayberry please step forward? you remind us very much of dee.

Hran said...

"Haven't you heard? We are a beautiful multi cultural society."

That would be nice, but human nature gets in the way. White people can be as nice and tolerant as can be, but that doesn't mean other ethnic groups will return the favor. Just look at history and current world affairs. People tend to promote the interests of their own ethnic group. In the case of Latinos, that means working to get more of their kind into the country, through amnesty, open borders, and increased legal immigration. Patriot was making a similar point.

Hran said...

"hran, last I heard minutemen members, kkk, neo-nazi members aren't killing white conservatives who live in mayberry USA, their the ones doing annihilating, legal and ILLEEEEGAL ppl of color, oh but I forgot, thats ok in your book cuz it's their fault for living in this country and not flooding into latin america"

LOL. Not sure what you're trying to say, but:

1. I don't even know the ideas of the KKK, nor do I care to. 2. I do know something about Nazism, and no, I have no sympathy for it. 3. The Minutemen are non-violent and do nothing more than monitor the border. 4. Whites are not annihilating Mexicans, Africans, blacks, Arabs, or Asians. In fact, we're letting them pour into our country without much of a fight. If the U.S. is "racist" it has a funny way of showing it. Been to southern California lately?

Anonymous said...

I am right here, (stepping forward), the anti ANTI, just wanting ppl to understand that they don't run this country no matter how much they want to make believe they have a say in anything, that's why we must look out for one another and not judge ppl by what they look like who where they're from, if they come here from another country they're only looking for a better life, the owners of this country want you to believe that they're invading your homes and way of life which only the ignorant/brainless should believe such a thing, stop the hate and stop picking on your brother and sisters and help one-another, I agree with Dee on alot of things, I am for secure borders, helping those that live here be granted citizenship, but we wont do that with hate

Pro Inmigrant said...

is an perfect example of the fear-generating tactics of our government, the Border Patrol, the Minutemen and people like Joe Arpaio. who see only fear in relation to undocumented people.The majority of these people are trying to enter this country for employment and the ability to support their families left behind. (Illegal Aliens reduced to “IA” is dehumanizing and I will not use that term.)I hope that Patriot, Hran does not believe all the statistics used by the Border Patrol, Anti Immigrants groups like Fair, USA numbers, Minuteman Groups, etc.
The Border Patrol needs to justify the enormous expense that is going into personnel, border fencing and check points.
The check Points are not a deterrent to people entering this country. Yes, undocumented workers have been caught, but at what cost, both financially and to our being a compassionate nation. How many “terrorists” have been apprehended with explosives or the makings for a dirty bomb? Someone intent on destruction of American life or infrastructure is not going to struggle through the hardships and dangers of the Sonora, Arizona Desert.
They are going to arrive on First Class flights, like the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks.Then there are the drug-runners: they are in the desert with their burlap bags. How many drug “mules,” people who may have been recruited, perhaps at gunpoint, to carry drugs into the U.S. have been aprehended?
It's only coming into the United States because there are Americans wanting to purchase it. The “War on Drugs” is another failure because it has not addressed the causes of drug consumption.

Dee said...

I agree Anon. We can´t solve our immigration issues with hate. That is what Arpaio is doing with all of his racial profiling tactics.

I was on an Arpaio forum last night. The ADL has gone to the FBI and requested an investigation. We were discussing this article. What is amazing to me is those defending the sheriff acknowledged he racial profiles Brown people (Latinos and Native Americans) but they don´t care. They say so what. Unbelievable.

However, if there is an FBI investigation and the FBI determines racial profiling occurred I believe we will see a stop to Arpaios tactics.

Pro Inmigrant said...

And the diseases presumably brought in by undocumented people. Anti Immigrants can generate a list of horrible diseases that make people cringe; i.e., Leprosy, Drug Resistant Tuberculosis, Polio, etc. With tourists going to all nations of the world, why focus on undocumented people as the threat to our health? We need to remember that the last case of virulent tuberculosis in this country was a wealthy American lawyer, not an economic refugee from a Mexico, or Central, South America.
Realistically, how many undocumented people have been identified as ill with any of the diseases mentioned? The Bush administration, Media like Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck, Minuteman, Fair, Alipac has used fear, particularly since 9/11 to manipulate the Congress and the American people into accepting the need for a Comprehensive Immigration Reform.
These people can always find “evidence,” as distorted as it may be; to support their fear based arguments. Our government is doing it and individuals are doing it. My hope is that with a new president our country can move beyond fear and we can live as a compassionate reasonable society once again.

patriot said...

IT ISN'T ABOUT FEAR, HATE, RACISM, SKIN COLOR OR ANY OF THAT STUPID NONSENSE! IT IS ABOUT OUR LAWS AND OUR SOVERINGTY! GET THAT TRHU YOUR THICK SKULLS!!!!

Anonymous said...

YOURS IS THE THICKEST SKULL PAT (i refuse to call you patriot) REINFORCED WITH TITANIUM STEEL!!! You think the problem is that these ppl are breaking the law, the problem is that the owners of this country (lg corp exectvs, the elites, etc..) make you believe that all latino's are ILLEEEEEGAL and appairantly it doesn't take THAT much convincing on their part, they're just ppl, all ppl (not just latino's) that come from a poor place (not just mexico) want to come here to have the same freedoms, to have enough money to raise a family, but what dobbs and all those idiots will have you belive is by them coming to our country, they are also taking from your pocket book and taking your lives away and install this fear with racial profiling (which is the easiest way) with WHATEVER they can to convince you that immigrants are ALIENS (how childish), like I said, stop all the hating and you'll solve the immigration issue (hell you'll solve alot of issues in this country)

Hran said...

pro-immigrant: I read your posts. My question is, where does immigration from poor, non-white countries end? Since 1965 the percentage of actual Americans (those of European ancestry) in the county has fallen about 20%. In the pro-immigration plan, that trend will continue. If it's linear, then in 80 years the white population will be in the 20% range and the US will be insanely over-populated. There is virtually an unlimited supply of poor in the world (billions) who want to come to the US to work hard. By advocating open borders and increased legal immigration, there's nothing to stop the influx.

Hran said...

Anon: at least choose a name to identify yourself. How about "ILLEEEEEGAL".

I think your rants are actually based on hate. You hate whites and white America. That's one big reason whites cannot survive in a multi-cultural society, one where we are surrounded by hostile ethnic groups. We need to have our ethnic homeland, just like the Mexicans and all the other non-white immigrant groups.

Patriot: If the amnesty bill passes, then all the illegals will be legal. They what can you complain about? Nothing. But the problems will remain.

Dee said...

Hran,
I believe we are a multi cultural society and have evolved over the generations.
Example: I am a Latina, married to an Irish American. My children are multicultural. Within my extended family we have marriages across cultures, Americans with ethnicities from Europe, Asia, African American, Native American, Mexico.

When we have family reunions, we have a rainbow of family, very beautiful family. We have many business professionals, college educated, military and former military all proud Americans. We will continue to evolve as we progress as a nation, to one of acceptance and peace.

patriot said...

anon, you are full of crap! We regular Americans know better than to claim that all Latinos are illegally in this country. Where do you come up with that? We aren't stupid! We know there are millions of legal Hispanic citizens in this country. We also know there are millions who are not!

We know that many of the illegal ones come here for a better life but it doesn't matter because they have to come here with papers to get that better life. They have no right to do it otherwise. We have immigration laws. What part of that don't you understand?????

Those who don't come here legally are not immigrants, they are illegal aliens. Aliens simply means foreigners. Look it up in the dictionary, fool! And that is the correct legal term by our government for them!!!

I don't care what kind of demonizing terms you want to use for us Americans who want our immigration laws enforced. You can call us haters, racists or what other childish, hateful words you choose to use on us. It doesn't matter. We are on the right side of the law and you are on the wrong side!

patriot said...

dee, this isn't about the minority cultures that exist in our country. This is about retaining the white-anglo majority culture and language in this country as the dominant and identifying one. Why is it racist for this country to retain it's identity as such but not for the 22 Hispanic dominant countries to retain theirs? Sounds pretty hypocritical and racist to me. We sure as hell don't want our country "evolving" into another Hispanic country thru illegal immigration. It isn't natural and it isn't right!! We would never "evolve" into something this country has NEVER been if not for this illegal immigration problem from mostly Mexico. Why do you find that acceptable?

Dee said...

Pat
you are totally off base.
your wish of a return to your mayberrian society as you said "white-anglo majority culture and language" was over in the 60s with the Civil Rights movement. Now, we are ALL Equal! We are a multicultural society. We are all Americans! Thriving! All the colors of the rainbow, not just white! Beautiful! We will NEVER, EVER go back to a WHITES ONLY society!

Also know that the Latinos in the US are NOT like the Latinos in Mexico. We are American!! (or as Lupita used to say, we are gringos) Part of our thriving multi cultural society!

Dee said...

I have a Dream of a beautiful COLOR BLIND, peaceful Society where we are all respected and ALL EQUAL!!

patriot said...

dee, I don't need for this country to return to it's white-anglo culture because the identity of this country is still that! It isn't a Hispanic country no matter how much you wish it were. We will not allow it to become one due to illegal immigration either. How dare you make cracks about white Americans wanting to retain what is as if it were racist or something. I am suggesting an all white country either so you can stuff your false accusations and insinuations. Latin Americans want their identity retained in their countries also. You have a double standard for dominantly white countries?

Skin color has nothing to do with it. Civil Rights has nothing to do with it I am not suggesting that other cultures and races not be treated equally as far as their constitutional rights go in this country. It is just about retaining this country's natural identity and not losing it over illegal immigration. Don't pretend you don't know what I mean or that it is racist to hold such a view. You are twisting and spinning my words as usual.

The truly racist ones in this country are those who want to change the dominant society in this country thru illegal immigration of their own kind.

mesaperson said...

man fuck joe arpaio hes a racist fat bastard. theres people out there that are actually commiting real crimes such as murder and rape...the only reason the immigrants from mexico come to the US is because they want to make better lives for them and their families!..i thought this was supposed to be the land of the free!..but just because they were born on the wrong side of a damn line they get discriminated and cant be let to live as good as lives as the people born on the other side of the damn line!..thats bullshit and joe arpaio and the rest of the so called good citizens are assholes!

patriot said...

mesa, land of the free doesn't mean we aren't entitled to have immigration laws. Our country is free for it's citizens and legal residents, not illegal aliens to enter at will.

As I said, if immigrants want to seek a better life for themselves they have to follow our rules to do so. We a have a legal way to enter our country and that is the only acceptable way.

You could watch your filthy language in here too. "Born on the wrong side of the line"? What the heck does that mean? All countries have borders and unless you are born on the "right side of the line" you aren't a citizen of that country and have no right to enter it or reside in it at will. You sound like a juvenile to me.

Dee said...

Welcome Mesaperson.
Both sides discuss Immigration issues civilly here. We hope you join us often.

I agree with your assessment of Arpaio. He continues to racial profile Brown people, including both Latinos and Native Americans. I am glad they are investigating him!

patriot said...

Gee, dee no admonishment of "mesa" for using the F word, the B word and the A word all in just one post in your blog? Oh, that's right he is a pro-illegal so he gets a pass. Saying "we" discuss things civily in here and then inviting the vulgar mouth back doesn't cut it dee. It showed your double standard for the pro's.

Hran said...

"mesaperson" is another example of why the multicultural idea doesn't work. Any effort to defend ourselves brings forth Latino rage.

Dee. Regarding your multicultural ideal. Why should white people have to submit to a multi-racial society? You're idea of America is skewed. It is not a clearing house for all the ethnic groups in the world. No country in the world is like that. Furthermore, Latinos were, until recently, a tiny percent of the population. The country was built by white Americans and now Latinos and other non-whites are laying claim to it.

My ideal is a white American ethno-state where we can be left alone to do what we do. I don't want my ethnic group to be intermixed and surrounded by other groups. Over time, that would mean an end to it.

I don't hate other groups, I just want to preserve mine as it is.

dianne said...

I find Mesa a potty mouth who contributes nothing...he probably came off of that vile blog, Daily Kos.

I don't care what skin color a person has as long as he is a legal immigrant or citizen and obeys the law and assimilates into our culture. We have a right to our borders and to defend them according to the law. I don't believe that people who are here illegally deserve amnesty nor the social benefits of this country. I will work towards that goal.

I'm done with this blog. It accomplishes nothing.

Dee said...

Pat,
With all your name calling and bashing you do to me and others, that is worst than the pot calling the kettle back.
At least he did not call you or anyone else here names as you do me.
Frankly Pat, I allow you lots of room for one very good reason. I want the public to see people like you are real and I did not make you up.
Same for both sides.

Again to all, please keep the discussions civil. And Mesa, please keep coming back!

Dee said...

Hran,
The census bureau has been predicting since the 50´s that Latinos would become the largest minority in our country by the 2000s. This is no new news.
Regarding who built our nation, it was Latinos, Native Americans, African Americans and Asians who did a large part of the manual labor in the building of our great nation. My grandfather worked on the railroads. My father was a troquero in the Bracero Program. Our hard work and sweat helped built this nation. To deny this is a lie.

Your statement below sounds like you want the State of Idaho to become one Arian Nation and for the world to leave you alone. Hmmmmm. Others have recommended that before. They have shaved heads or white hoods.

We are a multi cultural welcoming society, welcoming all in our Great USA!

HRAN Statement:My ideal is a white American ethno-state where we can be left alone to do what we do. I don't want my ethnic group to be intermixed and surrounded by other groups. Over time, that would mean an end to it. I don't hate other groups, I just want to preserve mine as it is.

patriot said...

Look dee, you have called names in here to so don't play the innocent. Mesa, used profanity and vulgar words that is a whole lot different. You of course don't mind because he is obviously pro-illegal. Hypocrite!

Dee said...

Dianne,
I´m glad you have joined my blog and spent some time with us. I´ve enjoyed your input.
One thing I have noticed lately is more and more PROs are coming on line and sharing their viewpoints. That was one of my blog goals, to bring more PROs into the discussion. That is why I visit more and more sites to welcome both sides here and ask them to participate freely as long as we are civil to each other.
As you know I have taken frequent and hard bashing from people like Pat and others.
Now you are seeing more of the same bashing from the PRO to the ANTI side. I do give both sides a little room to discuss, as I have with Pat throughout his time here. It does take a little tough skin to take the heat from the other side. If this offends you and you choose not to continue to participate, that is certainly your choice. I will miss your point of view. I think we both, all of us, have learned from our discussions with each other.

My Blog DOES accomplish my Blog Mission:
To provide a forum where people, both PRO and ANTI, can discuss American Immigration Issues civilly, freely and safely thereby reducing the hate, anger and misunderstandings currently inherent in most of these discussions.
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We are embracing a new frontier in the blogosphere. Its time ALL people are provided an opportunity to voice and discuss their views.

On my blog you can. The Topic is Immigration.

patriot said...

dee, becoming the largest minority and becoming the "majority" over Whites are two different things. Especially for it to occur thru illegal immigration. How would you like to see Mexico become a majority White-Anglo country because of illegal immigration?

White people were not only part of the brawn that built this country but they were the brains! They wrote our Constitution and formed the USA!

Again, I ask you dee, why is it ok for 22 countries that are dominantly Hispanic in ethnic makeup and culture to remain so but not for the U.S. to remain dominantly an Anglo-White one in ethnic makeup and culture?

You keep twisting my words and others in here for it to mean that we want only Whites in this country. That isn't so and you know it! So stop with your race card pulling and realize that you are being a hypocrite unless you want to call all the dominant Hispanic countries, racists too for wanting to retain their way of life and society as it is.

Dee said...

Pat, Mesa did not call you any names. However you are calling me names and continue to do so. I suggest you limit the name calling to each other.

Mesa was voicing his concern over Arpaio. Mesa is in the hotspot, where Arpaio and his henchmen are scheduled to go next. I understand his frustration. Re read this post. Maybe it will help you understand why.

patriot said...

I see you lost dianne now. She couldn't deal with your racist BS anymore. Pretty soon this blog is going to be a graveyard and you will only be talking to yourself.

patriot said...

Unbelievable! So you are going to totally overlook the fact that mesa used the F, B and A word in here? If that is acceptable to you then you haven't heard anything yet because I will do likewise!

Tell me dee, why is it always acceptable in a pro blog/forum for the pro's to talk anyway they want to but the anti's are not allowed too? That is because you pro's are nothing but biased hypocrites!

Dee said...

Pat,
We Latinos and Native Americans did see the our USA become "majority White-Anglo country." We have been here hundreds fo years and we welcomed you as we ALL formed our great USA.
Now we are advancing and becoming a great multi cultural society. No one is advocating all Latino. We are evolving into ONE Multi Cultural Society.

Liquidmicro said...

What Pat and Dianne are arguing Dee, is you allowing the vulgar words to be used, whether they are directed at someone or no one, they are vulgar words. If I'm not mistaken, someone used vulgar words in the past and you edited the post or deleted it altogether. They, like myself, feel the same with mesa's post, either edit out the vulgarity of his words or delete his post.

Dee said...

They are not directed at anyone other then the sheriff Liquid.

The issue with this whole post is Arpaio and his tactics. His next target is the city of Mesa.

But you do bring up a good point about editting for bad words. I know Pat goes over the brink at times too and I would like to edit his name calling at times.
So for future reference, I know how to delete comments, but how do you edit for profanity? url? (Couldnt find how to do this in eblogger instructions.)

Dee said...

As a reminder to the topic of this post:
The memo came after a Thursday morning demonstration by 15 pro-Arpaio demonstrators at Gilbert and Broadway roads in a heavily immigrant part of Mesa. During what Gascón called a “mostly lawful demonstration,” one of the protesters got into a verbal altercation with a Black male. The argument escalated and Gascón said the demonstrator called the man “homie” and used the “N” word. Another demonstrator had a pit bull dog that lunged and snapped at officers, he said. It is unclear whether the demonstrators, who were mostly male, belonged to an organized group. “This incident, as well as others during prior sweeps, are clear indications of the volatility that can be visited upon our city as these events continue to unfold,” Gascón wrote. “Counter demonstrators have been observed carrying firearms, and tensions are escalating.”
--- Mesa, we are worried for you! Hopefully the Sheriff will be stopped soon!

I will be posting my next blog topic - ADL asks FBI to investigate Arpaio´s racial profiling.

Liquidmicro said...

We understand it is directed at Arpaio, however the vulgarity of the obscenities are what are offensive. He could have said the same thing without the foul words. As for editing, I don't know either as I don't have a blog myself to figure it out. It would do well for future commenter's to comment without vulgar obscenities.

Hran said...

Dee:

I appreciate the fact that you will argue with a white nationalist.

But consider the US at the time of the Civil War. The north was not multi-cultural. It was not built by blacks, Asians, Native Americans, or Latinos. Blacks in the south in some sense helped build southern civilization. However, they were agricultural workers completely dependent on whites. Furthermore, the south had little industry, and one could argue that the use of black labor impeded its economic development.

This antebellum civilization is the core America. That's where my culture and ancestry lies. It was not multi-ethnic in your sense of the word.

It was only later, when the American civilization expanded west (driven by the hard work of white pioneers) that we started to exploit cheap labor from China and Mexico. These workers were a very small proportion of the population. It is only since 1965 that the Hispanic and Asian populations has expanded massively. America was already built, at the height of its power.

So your statement:

"Regarding who built our nation, it was Latinos, Native Americans, African Americans and Asians who did a large part of the manual labor in the building of our great nation."

This is utterly false. The core America was built by whites. The groups you mention did not do "a large part of the manual labor" in building America. And in any case, these groups are DEPENDENT on a preexisting civilization built by whites.

If Mexican labor is the only thing needed for build a "great nation" then why isn't Mexico as economically developed as the US? Same goes for countries in Africa and the Americas.

As for skin heads, KKK, etc. I utterly reject the idiocy of their ideas. But of course, referencing them is your first line of "defense".

patriot said...

dee, "You" welcomed White people here? What an arrogant pompous statement to make! You'd have to be pretty old to have done that. Are you full blooded native indian? No, you are not so you can't make that claim about yourself or your ancestors. Your Spanish ancestors came here just like the White-Anglos did! Latinos didn't welcome the Anglos here, the native indians did. What the hell are you talking about?

We Anglos don't want our culture diluted, especially by illegal immigration. We don't want to be another Hispanic country. That is what you don't understand. We don't care if there are minorities living among us but we still want our culture to remain the dominant one in this country just like the Mexicans do in Mexico. Your double standard reeks of arrogance and racism.

patriot said...

Oh surprise, surprise the obsessed dee is going to post yet another topic about Sheriff Joe. What is it now a sixth or seventh one? See a shrink for your obsessions, dee.

patriot said...

Good post, hran. Dee will never get it though or admit what you are stating is correct.

She thinks it racist for Whites to retain their majority along with their culture and language in this country, while it is ok though for Latinos to remain the dominant society along with their culture and language in their countries. My biggest objection is how this so-called "evolving" that she keeps bragging about is coming about thru an illegal invasion of our country by mostly one ethnic group....HERS! It isn't natural, isn't right and it is downright racist!

Dee said...

Hran,
We had slavery and various forms of indentured servitude since our country was formed. Slavery was documented back to the early 1600s.
As far as White Nationalism, I find it interesting you are willing to “out” yourself. Not many people are willing to do so, but I do appreciate your honesty. So many with your point of view hide behind other terms.
Many people view White Nationalists in the same category as KKK and Skinheads. I took this reference from wikipedia: “White separationism and supremacism are two smaller subgroups within white nationalism.[5] The former seek a separate white nation-state, while the latter add ideas from social Darwinism and Nazism to their ideology.[16] Some white nationalists deny they are in either category.[17] Both schools of thought generally avoid the term "supremacy," saying it has negative connotations.[18]”

I don’t agree with you. I believe our great USA will evolve into a multi cultural society. In order for you to fulfill your goals, it seems you will have to isolate yourselves, who knows where.
Tell me, Hran, what are your White Nationalism goals? Do you advocate a total deportation of All minorities or do you advocate isolating yourselves to a few states?
Do you advocate a peaceful transition to your desired goal or non peaceful?

Hran said...

Dee.
"The former seek a separate white nation-state, while the latter add ideas from social Darwinism and Nazism to their ideology. Some white nationalists deny they are in either category."

I reject social Darwinism, Nazism and antisemitism. As a white nationalist my goal is to return the ethnic composition of the US as it was before 1965 or earlier. The rightful ethnic groups are whites, descendants of former black slaves, and native North American tribes (which doesn't include Mexican tribes, Mayan, Aztec, etc.)

The way one can tell if an ethnic group is proper to the US is to ask: can it be found elsewhere in the world? Latinos who speak Spanish at home have a whole country of people like them: Mexico (or other Latin American country). However, for white Americans and blacks, there is no country overseas that is filled with persons of the same ethnic composition (race and culture).

As for the ultimate good, its hard to say. Unlike you, I think ethnic groups do best in distinct nations. The Mexicans can best develop their own identities in Mexico, and so on. I favor racial geographic separatism, but not by force; rather, use financial incentives to repatriate non-traditional American ethnic groups.

If there were a movement of white consciousness in the US not poisoned by neo-Nazism, antisemitism, or race hatred (no chance in hell right now) then maybe the whites could agree to retreat to certain states and lop off southern California and other areas fallen to the Reconquista.

patriot said...

You really do have a reading comprehension problem don't you, dee? That isn't what hran or myself meant and you know it. Actually I think you know exactly what we mean but you just want to spin it and put words in our mouths that we didn't say or are implying. That is very dishonest just so you can slander us. I have explained in great detail and made comparisons as to how Mexicans in Mexico want the same thing that Whites in America do in this country. You plainly have a double standard for your own ethnic kind.

No, we are not going to "evolve" through illegal immigration. Not over our dead bodies! We aren't looking for seperatism, we are looking to retain our culture in this country as it always has been.

What you want is to Hispanize this country and you are licking your chops that this is occuring because of illegal immigration. The very thing you accuse us of is exactly what you and yours are!

Dee said...

Hran,
I find it interesting your goal of “return to ethnic composition” includes the date “before 1965” before the Civil Rights movement.
Your goals are interesting but they will never happen.
My family and many Latinos in the Southwest have been here over 200 years. Many of our families have married Native Americans, as my family did, and our Native American ancestors have been here for centuries. We are all American of course and we are not going anywhere. Our families will continue to marry other ethnicities as mine has and we will thrive in our multi cultural society.
I think the only possibility you have of maintaining a White Nationalist, Northern European White only race is to isolate yourselves in Idaho or Canada or even Northern Europe. You would have to do this voluntarily of course. I don´t think anyone would force you to do so.
There is no serious reconquista movement. We are just evolving to a multi cultural society.


HRAN´s Goal: “As a white nationalist my goal is to return the ethnic composition of the US as it was before 1965 or earlier.
I favor racial geographic separatism, but not by force; rather, use financial incentives to repatriate non-traditional American ethnic groups.”

Dee said...

Pat,
Re-read Hrans post. He says he is a White Nationalist.

Are you saying you are a White Nationalist too?

patriot said...

dee, I already explained my views on the right of White Americans to retain their majority and culture in this country while still being accepting of other races and cultures living here. Call it what you want. It isn't anything different than what Mexicans in Mexico want for their country.

Put your race card away.

Anonymous said...

In other words, Mayberry and Driving Mrs Daizy all over again, you know some might believe the ANTI comments towards laws and sovernty and that your not racist but the last few comments made by hran and pat show your true ANTI colors, ANTI's are so transparent it's unreal, and mesaperson please keep it civil and no more bad words, all ages read our comments and no one likes to see trashy comments no matter how much I agree with them

Dee said...

Anon1, Thank you for your summary of what has been discussed for this post. I agree. We should not use profane language and we will keep it civil. I have to figure out a way with eblogger to edit out the profanity.

Dee said...

Anon 1,
I agree. I was surprised Pat is acknowledging he is a White Nationalist.

patriot said...

No more so than Mexicans are Brown Nationalists, Japanese are Asian Nationalists, etc. It just means wanting to retain your country's cultural and ethnic identity, while not shutting out minority cultures in your country but also not desiring theirs to replace yours. I haven't looked up what a White Nationalist is but if there is any racism involved then no, I am not a White Nationalist.

So answer the question. Is it ok for Mexicans who are mostly of the Hispanic culture to want to retain their national cultural identity in their country without interference by a massive influx of illegals from another ethnic group? Which hypocrite will be the first to answer that question?

Anonymous said...

The answer to your question is not simply yes or no. Most free societies or democracies tend to follow their hearts desire and try and live among their brothers and sisters peacefully and happily, only in dictatorships or fascism do ppl ignorantly follow a crazed bloodthirsty mongrel who uses fear and separatism on his/her followers to brainwash them into thinking their either "GOD'S chosen," they tend to use racial profiling as the primal fear they install to get their intended results. SO, to answer your question, it's all in the eye's of the beholder, pal that want to live free and not bring down their brothers and sisters and live happy and free in peace. Or pal who prefer to live in a brainwashed idea that their God's Chosen and all others can go to HELL, will continue to racial profile and kill/destroy their enemy, blame/hate immigrants for our problems (economy, environment, education), war for 100 more years, stay living in a fear driven society, SOLVING NOTHING

Dee said...

Gosh Anon1, I loved your answer!!

patriot said...

Well "pal" I don't see where any of my remarks fit your hateful scenario. And there is a yes or no answer but you and dee just refuse to answer because you know that the fact that Mexicans wanting to retain their culture, heritage and language in their own country isn't any different than what I want for mine. And there isn't anything sedistic about it.

Being opposed to illegal immigration isn't the same as being opposed to legal immigrants. I have no problem with legal immigrants. I don't view my race as being "the Chosen people" either and nothing I have said implies that.

You are just like dee, twisting and spinning the truth and pulling the race card at every corner when in fact the shoes should be on your feet.

Jeff said...

Dee,

As an American of white, Anglo, Irish descent, I positively oppose white nationalism. Although, I wouldn't tell anybody what to think or how and where to live. The vast majority of Americans will welcome legal immigrants, and therefore, non-white growth, particularly Hispanic growth, will out pace white population growth. I think it is wonderful that you married a white man. Likewise, I , like so many white men today, prefer brown features and would love to be married to a Latina. I will definitely be marrying up! Plus, your Hispanic ancestors were in this country before mine. If I get transferred to Texas, I will try my best to assimilate!

patriot said...

Oh, please jeffdee, that one really made me want to hurl.

patriot said...

Oh and Jeffdee, if you are indeed a White male citizen there is no need for you to assimilate into Texas. Texas is already a part of the U.S.

There are many women who have brown hair and brown eyes and they would include White women, Asians and Blacks. Why not try marrying for love rather than looks? Now that would be a novel concept, right? Marrying a Hispanic would be a step up? LOL! Sounds pretty racist to me about other women. What are other women? The scourge of the earth? That was a pretty arrogant remark, dee.

Try taking a course in history too. Hispanics (the Spaniards) weren't here first. The native indians were and they weren't Hispanic.

Yes, most Americans do welcome legal immigrants in controlled numbers so that they don't overbreed the native population. It is illegal aliens from mostly one ethnic group that could though and that is what we object too.

Take your new phoney sock puppet and put him away, dee. This is one of the worse you have brought out yet.

Dee said...

Jeff,
Thank you for coming over to my blog. I hope you come back and discuss with us often!

BTW Jeff, Pat accuses me of being everybody! Please take him with a grain of salt!

LOL!

patriot said...

Snicker. Keep up the facade, dee. It is very amusing how desperate you are for support in here.

Anonymous said...

well i finally got pat to admit I'm not Dee, takes a little while for truth to sink in with him i guess, btw my spell check changed my ppl's to pal's on my last comment, everytime i said pal it should've been ppl (people) and not pal

Dee said...

Thank you Anon 1.
Hopefully Pat will catch up soon. LOL

patriot said...

Ok, four posters come in here who are pro's, three of them are dee's sock puppets then.

Dee said...

Pat,
I´m going to call you my ANTI sock puppet.

PAT the ANTI Sock Puppet on this Blog

Jeff said...

Patriot,

Let me clarify. I am referring to the Indian or Native American part that was here before my ancestors. Later, of course, Spaniards came and the Indian/Spanish hybrid formed Mestizo people. I was making a joke about assimilating into Texas because the sub-culture there is quite different than where I'm from. I didn't say anything racist about non-Hispanic women. How is a compliment towards Hispanic women an insult to white, black or Asian ones? Maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension, Sir. You don't know me, so don't judge my love life. BTW, it is too easy to call me a cute name like "Jeffdee" when I'm not standing in front of you.

Jeff said...

Patriot,

Let me clarify. I am referring to the Indian or Native American part that was here before my ancestors. Later, of course, Spaniards came and the Indian/Spanish hybrid formed Mestizo people. I was making a joke about assimilating into Texas because the sub-culture there is quite different than where I'm from. I didn't say anything racist about non-Hispanic women. How is a compliment towards Hispanic women an insult to white, black or Asian ones? Maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension, Sir. You don't know me, so don't judge my love life. BTW, it is too easy to call me a cute name like "Jeffdee" when I'm not standing in front of you.

Jeff said...

Patriot,

Let me clarify. I am referring to the Indian or Native American part that was here before my ancestors. Later, of course, Spaniards came and the Indian/Spanish hybrid formed Mestizo people. I was making a joke about assimilating into Texas because the sub-culture there is quite different than where I'm from. I didn't say anything racist about non-Hispanic women. How is a compliment towards Hispanic women an insult to white, black or Asian ones? Maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension, Sir. BTW, it is too easy to call me a cute name like "Jeffdee" when I'm not standing in front of you.

Jeff said...

Patriot,

Let me clarify. I am referring to the Indian or Native American part that was here before my ancestors. Later, of course, Spaniards came and the Indian/Spanish hybrid formed Mestizo people. I was making a joke about assimilating into Texas because the sub-culture there is quite different than where I'm from. I didn't say anything racist about non-Hispanic women. How is a compliment towards Hispanic women an insult to white, black or Asian ones? Maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension, Sir. BTW, it is too easy to call me a cute name like "Jeffdee" when I'm not standing in front of you.

patriot said...

Jeff, (or dee whichever you are), when you say marrying a Latina would be a step up that implies that marrying a woman from another ethnic group would be a step down. Why would you need to assimilate to a "sub-culture" in Texas? There is a main culture in Texas that as a White person you are already a part of, right?

As I said as far as "brown" features there are many White women who have brown hair and eyes to fit your bill.

SFCGomez said...

I have read most of the comments here so let me share my piece.
I am an hispanic male recently retired from the US Army and proud of my heritage, Having said that... I support Joe Arpaio. This is not a matter of being racist or anti-immigrant. Laws must be enforced and illegal aliens must be deported, as simple as that. You can call me racist or even "Malinchista" but I believe and fought for this country and it's time to put "hasta aqui" to illegal immigration.
I am all for legal immigration, take a number and wait your turn, follow the laws of this wondeful country and maybe then you'll have the right and priviledge to be called an American.

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