Thursday, January 8, 2009

RNC Chairman Candidates' Debate Proves the RNC will Never Win a Presidential Campaign Again!

On Monday, the RNC hosted an RNC Chairman Candidates' Debate on C-Span. The candidates include: Katon Dawson, Ken Blackwell (African American), Saul Anuzis, Chip Saltzman (Magical Negro CD), Mike Duncan (old school RNC & current RNC Chair) and Michael Steele (African American). One of these six contenders will be chosen by the 168-member Republican National Committee at the end of this month.
For those of you with no doze who wish to see this 90 minute snoozefest, you can see the CSPAN video here.
I watched it. It was obvious. The Republicans are still scratching their heads wondering why they lost the 2008 Presidential election. None of them said anything new that will stir up the future vote.
Many of these RNC leaders are in a state of denial. They do not want to change. They do not want to understand why they lost the minority vote. They do not want to understand that unless they change their ways, they will never win a Presidential election again. They continue to stand by their mantra, "Our party stands for Family Values and Lower Taxes. We just had BAD Public Relations. We just need to communicate our message better. If we keep to our Core Values, the Voters, including minorities, will come." It is clear, the RNC is stuck in the 1980's, the Reagan Years.
As I wrote in November, Republicans did not receive the Latino Vote because they did not listen to our issues nor include Latinos in their agenda. In fact, during the "debate" the RNC Chairman candidates refused to touch one of the most sensitive and important issues facing us today, Immigration Reform. It was the elephant in the room. Wes Vernon from RenewAmerica.us agrees. In his recent column he said:
Picking up the pieces from the 2008 election is going to be an uphill climb as it is. Add to that an issue deemed so delicate that not one of the six candidates for Republican National Chairman dares utter a meaningful word about it during a 90-minute debate...
(Until) the dicey question came from Mario Lopez, President of the conservative Hispanic Leadership Fund (HLF). Mr. Lopez was not being adversarial or trying to lay a trap for the would-be RNC chairman... His group favors a lot of things conservatives favor: lower taxes, entrepreneurship, and education reform, etc.
Lopez phrased the question and its preface this way: "In roughly 30 years, the United States will be a majority minority country, 50,000 Hispanics turn 18 every month, and by 2050, one in three Americans will of Hispanic descent. After significant gains with Hispanic voters — for example, President Bush 40 to 44 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2004 — harsh rhetoric from some Republicans (ANTIs) and the general lack of a real sustained commitment were large factors in dropping the GOP share of the Hispanic vote to 31% in 2008 and 27% in 2006. Given the demographic changes facing the country, do you agree with the notion that the Republican Party cannot be a governing majority ever again without expanding the base by bringing more Hispanics and other minorities into its ranks? If so, how do you plan to integrate these efforts into all aspects of party operations?"
What was not said: Notice that in his question, Mr. Lopez did not mention the "too hot to handle" issue at the bottom line of his political concerns: illegal immigration. But then, not one of the answers delivered by the six RNC chairman-hopefuls mentioned that issue either...
Ever since then (the failed Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill), politicians in both parties have been treading on eggs over the issue...
In their responses, the candidates touched on several (other) issues on which Hispanic voters are in sync with the values of millions of other Americans and the conservative ethos: school choice, abortion, sanctity of the individual, limited government, "families empowered by choice in health care," safe streets, a good job for their children, etc....but still not a word about the underlying issue — again, illegal immigration (Comprehensive Immigration Reform).
Note: At this point Vernon goes on the typical rant against CIR without offering any recommendations for CIR or increasing the Latino or Minority Vote. I will leave it to viewers if they choose to read his rant or not. I guess he couldn't help himself. Then he utters the RNC's deathnell if they take his advice: " failing to include the issue of illegal immigration in polling questions sent to grassroots Republicans, possibly because of a belief that the answers would expose the unpopularity of the Bush administration's "open borders" policies — another sad chapter in the stupid party's longstanding death wish. That kind of pussyfooting or evasion of the issue will not do. The next RNC chairman should understand there is too much at stake."
In the end, it was Michael Steele who provided one of the most significant and telling responses of the "debate". In response to Mario Lopez's question he said, "Until we (including RNC State Chairmen) get outside of our comfort zones, put in face time (to NAACP and other minority organizations), then we won’t have to worry about a Hispanic face coming up and asking these questions." Well, he was two-thirds right. Not only do they need to get out of their comfort zones and put in face time, but they also have to have Hispanic faces not only asking questions, but being integral members of the RNC Leadership Team.

52 comments:

ultima said...

"They do not want to change. They do not want to understand why they lost the minority vote."

Those comments are totally wrong. Those two statements epitomize the charge to the incoming RNC chairman. It is a tall order but there it is staring them in the face.

Perhaps you would like to elaborate on why the GOP lost the minority vote as well as the majority vote.
Please add to my list below:

1. An eloquent black candidate that secured the vast majority of the black vote, mostly on racial grounds.
2. The state of the economy.
3. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
4. Some Hispanics who would cut off their noses to spite their faces by pushing for open borders without a second thought about the long term consequences

I believe there are some reasonable Hispanics out there who see that there is more to this issue of elections than simply CIR, amnesty and open borders. You pointed out some of the other issues that should be much more important to them unless they want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Mexico Norte will not help them and their families.

Dee said...

The RNC refuses to listen to minorities or modify their agenda!
Their belief is, "If we build it they will come!"

Dee said...

Ulty,
Do you know what Latino's DONT WANT TO HEAR? Tancredo Talk. WE DO NOT WANT TO HEAR Miami is a 3rd World Country. We dont want to hear Mexifornia. We dont want to hear Tancredo saying to anyone that disagrees, "Move Across the Border to Mexico" when we want to discuss the issues about the Fence. We do not want to hear the words "Anchor Baby." We do not want to hear Arpaio Racially Profiling ONE MORE Latino Citizen.

This is what the RNC and you FAIL TO UNDERSTAND!!

Anonymous said...

Pray tell just what issues important to minorities isn't the Republican party listening to? Please be specific.

Dee said...

The issue is, Republicans are split in two! Immigration is the reason for the split.

You have the hard core Oklahomans for example that are pushing the ANTI Immigration platform, pushing the restrictist laws in their states. They have websites and activism. These are the people Sarah Palin called True Americans.

Yet, the mainstream RNC does not talk about the Immigration issue out loud.

Then, there is an entire branch of the Republican party and their leadership that panders to Big Business and the Global Economy. They are in direct opposition to the down home True Americans Palin talked about.

I think they are going to split into two parties.

ultima said...

Dee wrote,"The RNC refuses to listen to minorities or modify their agenda."

I don't believe that. The RNC is all ears but don't expect it to endorse the free ride some minorities want, open borders, borders-destroying amnesty, or anything that leads to Mexico Norte. That's a different story that many democrats don't want to hear either.

ultima said...

dee wrote," WE DO NOT WANT TO HEAR Miami is a 3rd World Country. We dont want to hear Mexifornia. We dont want to hear Tancredo saying to anyone that disagrees, "Move Across the Border to Mexico" when we want to discuss the issues about the Fence. We do not want to hear the words "Anchor Baby." We do not want to hear Arpaio Racially Profiling ONE MORE Latino Citizen."

Some of these objections I can understand but others refer to statements of facts. Mexifornia is a reality to many Californians. It is an undeniable fact. I guess this is just a case of the truth hurts sometimes if you are unable to face reality. Similarly there is nothing pejorative about the term "anchor baby". It is a simple statement of fact. We both know that. Those who object to that term should come up with their own that accurately describes how babies born in the U.S. can ultimately sponsor many more relatives outside the normal immigration quotas and also provide a basis for handwringing about family separation. What term would you suggest that is accurate and complete in its meaning?

On the one hand you crow about the majority minority but refuse to recognize that result of the fastest growing segment of that majority, Hispanics or perhaps more accurately Mexicans. It seems like your own crowing suggests that the terms Mexifornia and Mexico Norte are more accurate than you are willing to admit as the long term outcome. There seems to be too much hyper-sensitivity about what are basically simple facts for which we need some simple terms. Mexifornia merely recognizes the undeniable and growing Mexican influence in California. Anchor babies merely means that such babies can anchor a family of illegals to the U.S. by arguing family separation on the one hand or by eventually sponsoring sundry relatives.

I think you may be being a little disingenuous by failing to recognize those facts as just that facts. You don't want anyone to talk about these facts because they might alert some folks who are not acquainted with them with what is going on in our country and what the long term consequences will be.

If Hispanics are reasonable people, they should be able sit down and discuss these issues and gain some appreciation of a different point of view through a little empathetic listening. Instead, they apparently take the view that if you don't agree with me and give me everything I want, don't expect me to vote for you and the country be damned.

Perhaps Tancredo should have used the term "foreign country" rather than "third world". I don't know what he observed other than signs in Spanish, a different culture, and Spanish being spoken all over the neighborhood. He could have observed some squalor that reminded him of third world countries. Who knows? The term was probably just an exaggeration, not fully justified. That kind of thing is not unprecedented among politicians who don't have their brains engaged when they open their mouths.

I see no reason not to discuss the fence. It has been shown to be effective in the areas where it has been built. Of course, if the entire fence was built the job of the BP would be facilitated just as other infrastructure improvements would make their job easier. But I have no reluctance to talk about the fence. I have always maintained that it alone will not stop the hemorrhaging at the border. Other infrastructure improvements are essential but they too will fail unless we have a vigorous internal enforcement effort to convince potential new illegals that they will be caught and sent home after serving time on the border working at minimum wage.

That leaves Sheriff Joe. No one likes his brand of justice when it descends on them whether it is detention for speeding in a state park or aiding and abetting illegal aliens. He uses the methods he knows work. With more cooperation from the Mexican American community those methods wouldn't be necessary.

The point is there is another side the items you bring up and I for one fail to understand why Mexican Americans do not see the advantage of standing tall with other American citizens in approving all of the methods necessary to bring immigration's unarmed invasion to a screeching halt. We would all be better off for it, including legal immigrants and green card workers.

ultima said...

A good question for other minorities is: "Who is it that is soaking up all the medicaid funds in your state?" Maybe they would see that their best interests do not necessarily coincide with those of all illegal aliens who are mostly Mexicans.

ultima said...

By the way I thought the RNC candidates' debate was spirited and interesting. the Washington Post seems to think the guy from Michigan or the one from South Carolina will be the final choice after an initial vote for Duncan fails. I think I would prefer one of the Black candidates but they are all good with a really tough job ahead after the disastrous Bush years and the near bankruptcy of the U.S.. In the meantime we have to hope that Team Obama knows what it is doing and can rescue from another disaster of a financial nature. These multi-trillion dollar deficits that are being project at least through 2012 give me great concern. I can remember several months ago I posted a piece about the Comproller General of the U.S. going around the country trying to convince people of our delicate financial condition long before the meltdown. Lupita was saying the same thing. Why didn't anyone pay attention? Was it because we were focusing on petty things like terems like anchor babies and Mexifornia?

ultima said...

The California Latino Leadership Fund is a Latino political action committee which has been found to be involved in sending racist mailers to discredit non-Latino political candidates which have been running against Latino politicians.The California Latino Leadership Fund sent out racist flyers attacking Mike Eng, an Asian-American political candidate from the 49th and Paul Krekorian, an Armenian-American 43rd district candidate. These attacks have been called the dirtiest in California political history.

Dee said...

Ulty,
That is the problem. You and the RNC do not want to listen to another perspective. The RNC believes in the Field of Dreams concept, "If we build it they will come."

This is Old School and Will not work!!

ultima said...
Dee wrote,"The RNC refuses to listen to minorities or modify their agenda."

I don't believe that.

Dee said...

Ultima,
You are like the RNC. You just are not getting it. Your words would be like me saying the truth is "The Republican party is filled with Rednecks, Trailer Park White Trash and Bible Thumpers."
Your same type of truth and I know the DNC would NEVER use this language to woo them over to the DNC side. Why do you think using terms like Mexifornia is any different. Shall I say to you the Truth Hurts and Just Grin and Bear It?



Ultima said...Mexifornia is a reality to many Californians. It is an undeniable fact. I guess this is just a case of the truth hurts sometimes if you are unable to face reality.

Dee said...

Ultima,
If you are allowed those terms on a daily basis as 'facts are facts' then we should all start using the same type of rhetoric for the RNC "Rednecks, Trailer Park White Trash and Bible Thumpers." and say if you don't like it Facts are Facts and Truth Hurts and you are hypersensitive and disingenuous if you don't like it.

I don't think like this and neither does the DNC, but apparently you and the RNC do.


Ultima said....
Mexifornia.. Anchor Babies..I think you may be being a little disingenuous by failing to recognize those facts as just that facts.

Dee said...

Ulitima,
If you and the RNC are reasonable people, you should be able sit down and discuss these issues and gain some appreciation of a different point of view through a little empathetic listening.

Dee said...

Ulty,
He is like the little boy in "Sixth Sense." He saw Brown People.


Ultima said...
Perhaps Tancredo should have used the term "foreign country" rather than "third world". I don't know what he observed.

Dee said...

Ulty,
A good way to find out is to look at the actual reports detailing all of the costs within the state. A valid statistical report vs the false data pushed by ANTI Immigration Reform websites. Then you would see your inflated numbers are wrong and but a small percentage of the overall total. And also review the actual reports of the revenue they bring. But then you do not want to know the truth.


ultima said...
A good question for other minorities is: "Who is it that is soaking up all the medicaid funds in your state?"

Dee said...

Ulty,
Everyone knows the new chairman will be 'Magic Negro CD' Saltzman or Mike Duncan, the current chair. Blackwell and Steele are merely tokens meant to provide the illusion of diversity in the ranks.

ultima said...
By the way I thought the RNC candidates' debate was spirited and interesting. the Washington Post seems to think the guy from Michigan or the one from South Carolina will be the final choice after an initial vote for Duncan fails. I think I would prefer one of the Black candidates

The Arizonian said...

Dee said:
"The issue is, Republicans are split in two! Immigration is the reason for the split."

Actually, Bush would be first, the party becoming 'liberal'(gross increase of the government) is second, and immigration is somewhere in the 'teens......

Dee said...

As I said, in the end, it was Michael Steele who provided one of the most significant and telling responses of the "debate". In response to Mario Lopez's question he said, "Until we (ESPECIALLY RNC State Chairmen) get outside of our comfort zones, put in face time (to NAACP and other minority organizations), then we won’t have to worry about a Hispanic face coming up and asking these questions." Well, he was two-thirds right. Not only do they need to get out of their comfort zones and put in face time, but they also have to have Hispanic faces not only asking questions, but being integral members of the RNC Leadership Team.

The Indigenous Xicano said...

"Similarly there is nothing pejorative about the term "anchor baby". It is a simple statement of fact. We both know that. Those who object to that term should come up with their own that accurately"

Another term comes to mind..American citizen. An innocent infant who is a LEGAL American citizen. What part of legal do you not understand? Or are you on of those who would rather alter our constitution rather than change immigration policy?

"...but others refer to statements of facts"

It is a fact, Jack. Legal Citizen. Innocent infant. Not an anchor. What a mean thing to call an innocent baby...some folks have no shame.

Dee said...

IX,
Go IX! You are Absolutely Right!!!

The Indigenous Xicano said...
"Similarly there is nothing pejorative about the term "anchor baby". It is a simple statement of fact. We both know that. Those who object to that term should come up with their own that accurately"

Another term comes to mind..American citizen. An innocent infant who is a LEGAL American citizen. What part of legal do you not understand? Or are you on of those who would rather alter our constitution rather than change immigration policy?

"...but others refer to statements of facts"

It is a fact, Jack. Legal Citizen. Innocent infant. Not an anchor. What a mean thing to call an innocent baby...some folks have no shame.

Vicente Duque said...

Dee :

Sarah Palin is not an enemy of Latinos. She is the Republican that loves the most or hates the least the Hispanic Ethnics.

Or she is extremely intelligent and shrewd.

Sarah Palin pandering to Latinos : "no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant"

http://milenials.blogspot.com/2008/10/sarah-palin-pandering-to-latinos-no-way.html

Meanwhile I am studying those American Artists that have ridiculed the White Supremacists in their Movies and Films.

Milenials.com

Vicente Duque

Vicente Duque said...

Hey Dee !

I forgot to say that I need all the possible help from anybody in this Artistic Cinematographic Quest of looking for the ridiculous in Nazis, Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Nation, etc .. or in cartoons, paintings, etc ...

I also need help in my roster of Brutal Crimes many of them Racial :

Raciality.com

Art of anti American Nazis ( Reductio ad Ridiculum Americanis Nazorum ) :

Milenials.com

Try to remember movies where White Supremacists are depicted in their whole foolishness.

Vicente Duque

ultima said...

IX wrote, "Or are you on of those who would rather alter our constitution rather than change immigration policy?"

You bet! It served its primary purpose shortly after the Civil War ended and all the ex-slaves and their offspring were recognized as citizens. Take a look at all the other nations that prefer not to recognize birthright citizenship.

ultima said...

IX wrote, "What a mean thing to call an innocent baby...some folks have no shame."

There is nothing mean about anchor baby. It is simply a neutral statement of fact referring to its role in securing or anchoring its family to a country in which they are illegally present and who knows may have been here for only a few hours. But if you can't accept facts, then you are hopeless.

None of this takes away from the innocence of the child but the parents are far from innocent in this picture. But then if you don't believe in that, then there is little one can say to you as an open borders, cheap citizenship, overpopulation advocate.

ultima said...

Dee wrote, "Not an anchor."

Think again my friend. We are not talking about the child but rather the role it plays in the larger immigration debate. Think of actors as separate from the roles they play. Get it?

Dee said...

Ulty,
And this is precisely why you and the RNC will never again win the Presidency. You do not understand how demeaning and hateful these terms are to Latinos. It is just like calling someone on your side, "Trailer Trash, Redneck or Bible Thumper."


ultima said...
IX wrote, "What a mean thing to call an innocent baby...some folks have no shame."

There is nothing mean about anchor baby.

ultima said...

Dee wrote, "Ulty,
That is the problem. You and the RNC do not want to listen to another perspective. "

That is hardly the case. The RNC fully understands the need to appeal to minority voters without pandering to them. I would be long gone from this site if I had not been willing to listen to another perspective lo these many months. Somehow that perspective however well I have read or listened does not appeal to me because of its long term implications.

We can only imagine what it will be like when an entire way of life hisses away like a cloud of steam.

When that happens the anti-America crowd will be like people who discover an empty bank account and conclude from its very emptiness that it must have contained millions of dollars. They will indulge in false conclusions and false explanations of how this could have happened, unwilling to the end to admit how much they contributed to the demise of our great country.

ultima said...

Duque wrote, "Art of anti American Nazis ( Reductio ad Ridiculum Americanis Nazorum"

Reductio ad Absurdum

ultima said...

Dee wrote, "If you and the RNC are reasonable people, you should be able sit down and discuss these issues and gain some appreciation of a different point of view through a little empathetic listening."

I agree but we should be able to expect a quid pro quo. I have already initiated a communication to Mario Lopez to get his perspective. I hope he responds. If he does, I will give that response an empathetic read.

ultima said...

Dee wrote, "Your words would be like me saying the truth is "The Republican party is filled with Rednecks, Trailer Park White Trash and Bible Thumpers."

Well, actually there is some truth in that statement but there must be a goodly number of those in the Democrat party too. They exist. I accept that as a fact. How about the Trailer Park minority trash? There are a large number of them around too and they vote mostly democrat because they know that party knows how to stay in power with handouts that will bankrupt the country.

Personally, I believe federal spending should be limited in this hour of need to only those areas essential to our recovery. we are at the precipace of financial disaster and a national debt and annual deficit that some predict we will never be able to pay off or recover from, a wonderful legacy for our children.

I would even go against my own party by opposing any tax cuts unless it can be shown that this will help us to get out of this recession. Pump priming ala Keysian economics has never been fully tested. WW II is what finally put America back to work. I hope it does this time but I wouldn't spend a nickle that does not contribute to that end. Obama has been throwing the word trillions around like it is meaningless. Trillions add up to real money eventually. I know something has to be done but there are some things that don't. One of the things that should be done is return most of the illegals to their homelands until all Americans are gainfully employed. I worry that the infrastructure jobs will simply go to illegals and not help unemployed citizens.

The Arizonian said...

Vicente Duque said...
"I forgot to say that I need all the possible help from anybody in this Artistic Cinematographic Quest of looking for the ridiculous in Nazis, Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Nation, etc .. or in cartoons, paintings, etc..."

What did you have in mind?

Vicente Duque said...

Answer to Ultima :

Ultima said :
Duque wrote, "Art of anti American Nazis ( Reductio ad Ridiculum Americanis Nazorum"

Reductio ad Absurdum


Ultima, you are right !
My Latin is better than my English.
I correct :

Art of anti-(American Nazi) or anti-Supremacist

In math the parenthesis means that you have to do the enclosed operation first.

I should have explained that by Nazi I mean in this case "Aryan Nation", "White Supremacists", "Ku Klux Klan", "Sons of Dixie" and all that. I acknowledge that they are not the same, but very much related. They are close relatives.

Again I will elaborate my reviews of Movies, Comics and other antiSupremacist stuff here :

Milenials.com

I am also elaborating about the Geekness, Nerdness and Coolness of Mr Obama, a guy that I deeply admire and support in the impossible Herculean Task of cleaning the Augean Stables.

Obama is appearing in Spiderman and other comics, and we should have a lot of fun following their adventures and stunts.

But we have to be very patient. The Tasks of Obama are truly Herculean and almost Impossible.

Vicente Duque

Vicente Duque said...

The Arizonian said...

Vicente Duque said...
"I forgot to say that I need all the possible help from anybody in this Artistic Cinematographic Quest of looking for the ridiculous in Nazis, Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Nation, etc .. or in cartoons, paintings, etc..."

What did you have in mind?


What I have in mind is to have a lot of fun !

I have enjoyed all those movies and comics where they make fun of all these Racial Supremacists.

They should go to play "Imperial Wizard" with Harry Potter, or "Grand Dragon" with the Lord of the Rings.

In my site RACIALITY.COM I am also showing now that the Racial Supremacists are a big source of Murder of WHITE PEOPLE.

Raciality.com

Vicente Duque

Superdestroyer said...

First,the Republicans cannot lose the latino because it never had much of the latino vote. Outside of Cubans, Latinos vote Republican less than 30% of the time on Presidential elections and less during Congressional and state elections.

Second, open borders and unlimited immigration means higher taxes, more government, crummier schools, higher crime, more traffic, higher insurance, and a lower quality of life. If Repubicans want to show they care about education, the environment, energy consumption, urban sprawl, and transportation, they have to limit the number of immigrations into the U.S.

Pandering to Latino voters means abandoning the idea of being a conservative party. At the same time there is no way that Republicans will never be able to out pander the Democrats for Latino voters.

Dee said...

SuperDestroyer,
Then you are with me and we both agree. The RNC will always stick to their current Conservative agenda and is not willing to listen to Latino or Minority concerns so they may as well ignore their votes. As these demographics increase, the RNC can expect never to win a Presidential office again.
But at least the RNC stuck to their 1980s agenda.

BTW Superdestroyer, are you the wrestler of the same name? If not, tell us a bit about yourself.

Dee said...

Superdestroyer,
I totally agree.
Bush and many of those in the RNC have splintered the Republican vote. With their current agenda, they have NO HOPE of EVER Gaining the minority vote.
The RNC has two choices at this point. They can pander to the racists, nativists, restrictionists and gain the majority of their CORE voters, leave the other portion of their conservative base on their own (Big Business), and NOT pander to the Minorities because IF they did they would have to listen to them and include them in their leadership.
At least they would gain 100% of their Core Voters.
The Republicans COULD become the American Hamas!!


Superdestroyer said on another blog...
Ask yourself what is more likely, that the Republicans start getting a higher percentage of minority voters or start getting more 55% of the white vote. Bush has basically destroyed the chance of the Republicans being the party that most WHITES want to support.

To those who say that party's adapt, look up how Republicans perform in Chicago, Manhattan, or Los Angeles. There is no position, strategy, or idea that is going to increase the performance of the Republican party is those cities. For parties to adapt, there has to be demographic groups big enough to appeal to when they do adapt. Such demographic groups just do not exist after President Bush destroyed any credibility that the Republican party should have on fiscal issues.

Superdestroyer said...

Dee,

The Republicans are caught in a demographic trap. If they try to appeal to Latinos, they lose more white voters than they will gain from Latinos. The Republicans would stop being conservative in any form in order to appeal to Hispanics.

So the real questions become how will the U.S. funciton as a one party state and how are Latinos affect by being one of many special interest groups inside the one relevant political party.

I use the handle Superdestroyer because he was the first wrestler I saw who wore a mask and was from "Parts Unknown."

The Arizonian said...

Well.....

I would say, as I've stated before, that we shouldn't pander to any made-up pseudo racial groups to begin with.

The idea is to serve the people, not secular groups of people in the first place. That's why I am always dismayed by terms like "latino vote" or "white vote" or "black vote" etc.

Last I checked, voter ballots came in one color ,except provincial, they're pink.
Does that mean I should pander to the "pink vote"?

The Arizonian said...

Vince,

Do you mind if I call you Vince? It's more efficient that way.....

Arizona, at least use to, have one of the largest supremest rallies in the country. Last I heard, well almost ten years ago, it was hosted somewhere between Globe and the White Mountains near Heber(no joke). I'm not sure if they still have it there, and may have been a one time deal.

But I'm sure infiltrating the rally and merely filming them in their 'natural habitat' would yield enough material to prove a point or two.....

Dee said...

Superdestroyer,
I agree with your analysis completely. The RNC cannot appeal to its core "conservative" constituency AND Hispanics, Blacks and Asians. Impossible. As we become a majority minority nation, the RNC is doomed.
I don't know if our nation will become a one party state. I think factions of the RNC and the Global Economists will form either a NEW RNC or a New Political Party.
Only time will tell.

But the conservatives of old are History!


Superdestroyer said...
Dee,
The Republicans are caught in a demographic trap. If they try to appeal to Latinos, they lose more white voters than they will gain from Latinos. The Republicans would stop being conservative in any form in order to appeal to Hispanics.
So the real questions become how will the U.S. function as a one party state and how are Latinos affect by being one of many special interest groups inside the one relevant political party.

I use the handle Superdestroyer because he was the first wrestler I saw who wore a mask and was from "Parts Unknown."

Anonymous said...

"Bush and many of those in the RNC have splintered the Republican vote. With their current agenda, they have NO HOPE of EVER Gaining the minority vote.
The RNC has two choices at this point. They can pander to the racists, nativists, restrictionists and gain the majority of their CORE voters, leave the other portion of their conservative base on their own (Big Business), and NOT pander to the Minorities because IF they did they would have to listen to them and include them in their leadership.
At least they would gain 100% of their Core Voters.
The Republicans COULD become the American Hamas!!"

Totally false and hatefully ridiculous! Bush hasn't splintered the Republican party. His administration will go down as one of the worse but it isn't a bad reflection on the entire party. We had Nixon as president,didn't we? Yet we still had several Republican presidents since his catastrophe. What current agenda are you talking about? The Republican party has always had conservarative, traditional values and there will always be plenty of Americans who will adhere to those same values and thank God for that!

Minorities have always voted Democratic, this is nothing new. Once they start to realize that a social/liberal based country will destroy it they will come around.

Where do you get off claiming that the Republicans pander to racists, navisists, etc.? That is a really hateful thing to say and it isn't true. Just what aren't they listening to minorities about. Care to elaborate?

American Hamas? Just how low are you going to stoop here?

Superdestroyer said...

Dee,

The loyalty of non-whites to the Democratic Party will limit the ability of a new second party from starting. A green party to the left of the current Democratic Party would be as white as the current Republican Party.

The racial and ethnic spoils systems of the federal government along with the majority/minority requirements of the voting rights act will ensure that all non-whites stay at home in the Democratic Party.

The best way to think of it is that Asians are the new Jews and Hispanics are the new blacks. However, for the Republicans, there is not group that will be the next Mormons.

Dee said...

SuperDestroyer,
The primary reason minorities are not voting for Republicans is because they are not inviting us to the party. They do not listen to us. They do not attend our groups (e.g. NAACP, Hispanic/Asian Humanitarian/Educational Groups, etc.) They do not have a significant number of Hispanics/Asians in their leadership ranks or as RNC state party leaders. Read what Michael Steele who provided one of the most significant and telling responses of the "debate". In response to Mario Lopez's question he said, "Until we (including RNC State Chairmen) get outside of our comfort zones, put in face time (to NAACP and other minority organizations), then we won’t have to worry about a Hispanic face coming up and asking these questions."

The RNC Leadership is NOT willing to put in face time or defer from their agenda. They do pander to the Restrictionist Tancredo-esque Language (e.g. Anchor Babies, Mexifornia, Move Back to Mexico, etc.) As long as the RNC panders to Tancredo audiences, the RNC will NOT get a significant number of Latino Votes. Period!


Superdestroyer said...
Dee,

The loyalty of non-whites to the Democratic Party will limit the ability of a new second party from starting. A green party to the left of the current Democratic Party would be as white as the current Republican Party.

The racial and ethnic spoils systems of the federal government along with the majority/minority requirements of the voting rights act will ensure that all non-whites stay at home in the Democratic Party.

The best way to think of it is that Asians are the new Jews and Hispanics are the new blacks. However, for the Republicans, there is not group that will be the next Mormons.

Vicente Duque said...

Anonymous said :

Where do you get off claiming that the Republicans pander to racists, nativists, etc.? That is a really hateful thing to say and it isn't true.

Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize Winner Economics 2008 said :

The fault, however, lies not in Republicans’ stars but in themselves. Forty years ago the G.O.P. decided, in effect, to make itself the party of racial backlash. And everything that has happened in recent years, from the choice of Mr. Bush as the party’s champion, to the Bush administration’s pervasive incompetence, to the party’s shrinking base, is a consequence of that decision.

And Mr Krugman continue ranting and railing against the Republicans and their Racist Southern Strategy :

http://tossupstates.blogspot.com/2009/01/paul-krugman-republican-party-has-been.html

For those interested in Economics, I have lots of Information on my site on the Present Economy :

TossUpStates.com

with lots of videos of Mr Krugman

Also the catastrophe of Republicans is discussed here :

Milenials.com

at least for the Millennials, that happen to be Minorities in Great Proportion.

Vicente Duque

Superdestroyer said...

Dee,

You are saying that Hispanics will vote for Repubicans if the Repubicans become just like Democrats. If the white Republicans had wanted to be just like Democrats, they would have become involved in Democratic Party politics.

You are a good example of why chasing Hispanic is a losing idea for the Repubicans. The cost of every single Hispanic vote is the lost of several white voters. In addition, supporting open borders and unlimited immigration is supporting higher taxes, more government, more regulation, and a lower quality of life. Why would middle class white voters want to support that?

Dee said...

SD,
No. I did not say that. I said they needed to LISTEN to the minorities perspective and INCLUDE them in their leadership ranks.

They and most on your side REFUSE to listen to the minority perspective. You have the idea that if you BUILD the Agenda the minorities will come. (wrong)

Until you LISTEN and INCLUDE we will NOT Vote for you.


Superdestroyer said...
Dee,

You are saying that Hispanics will vote for Repubicans if the Repubicans become just like Democrats.

Dee said...

SD,
Yes. We recognize several on your side refuse to listen and are not inclusive. Some people call that racist. AND they will never change. So as the minority base grows and this becomes a majority minority country, expect to lose.



SuperDestroyer said...
The cost of every single Hispanic vote is the lost of several white voters.

Dee said...

SD,
I don't support open borders, higher taxes and lower quality of life. Neither do MOST of the PRO Immigration Reform supporters. It is just your side's rhetoric and slanted lies that say we do.


SuperDestroyer said..
In addition, supporting open borders and unlimited immigration is supporting higher taxes, more government, more regulation, and a lower quality of life.

Superdestroyer said...

Dee,

If you have read what I wrote, it is clear that I not believe that the Republicans can ever build an agenda, and ever succeed in outreach, or ever gain a significant amount of the Latino vote. Latinos are just too liberal to ever be interested in the a conservative party and since the U.S. does not really need to liberal, big government parties, the Republicans will be irrelevant in the future.

The Republican rank and file have listened to what the Hispanic community is saying and have no use to for it and see no reason to throw away their principles to appeal to a group that says" No exactly what we want or we will call you a racist."


The new question is what will politics be like in the U.S. when no ethnic group is in the majority and the U.S. only has one relevant political party

Dee said...

SD,
I agree with much of what you said. The Republicans and their agenda will become irrelevant in the future. I don't think we will become a one party country though. We may have a new, young party emerge with a multi cultural agenda vs the old school democrats. Time will tell.

Anonymous said...

What is a multi-cultural agenda? We are already treated equally as American citizens and regardless of skin color, ethnicity or race we still all put on our pants the same way and still all want what is best for this country, or at least we should.

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