Friday, August 29, 2008

Palin is a Slap in the Face to Hillary Supporters!

I do not believe ANY Hillary supporters will vote for scandal soaked, former Beauty Queen (as Pat Buchanan repeated so often today) Sarah Palin.
Here is why:
1. Hillary is a brilliant diplomat, well experienced in foreign policy, Palin is not.
2.Hillary is an excellent, knowledgable speaker and holds her own in the toughest debates. We know nothing about Palins debate style.
3. Senators, Congress,political leaders around the world know and respect Hillary. Not even Kay Bailey Hutchinson (who would have made a far better, more credible choice for VP vs Palin) knew who Palin was when she was interviewed on CNN this morning.
4. Palin is wrong on Pro Choice, Wrong on Gun Control, Wrong on Gay Rights, Wrong on Equal Pay for Equal Work, Wrong on Global Warming (but Pat Buchanan says she is a former Beauty Queen!)
5. Palin supported Pat Buchanan in his last Presidential Bid! (and is a former Beauty Queen)

What a slap in the face to ALL WOMEN to have someone with Palin´s lack of knowledge, skills, experience, so far less than Hillary, in line for President! What an insult to Hillary and to ALL Women!! (How dare Palin invoke Hillary´s name today during her VP acceptance speech merely pandering for female Democratic voters to support her.)
Even her own state questions her V.P. Candidacy.
The Anchorage Daily News reports: Palin candidacy raises eyebrows in Alaska
By DAN JOLING / Associated Press Writer Published: August 29th, 2008 11:45
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is a comely candidate with a reputation for fighting corruption, but lately her reputation within the state has been bit by allegations of mixing political and family business, and by mistreating one of the state's premier marine mammals.
. Palin's catch-phrase of "openness and transparency" has been tarnished by revelations that staff members tried to have Palin's former brother-in-law fired from his job as an Alaska state trooper. (hear Palen´s staff use insider influence to get brother in law fired)
. Also, the governor of the only state with polar bears has adamantly opposed listing the animals as a threatened species, despite strong evidence that global warming has devastated their sea ice environment off Alaska's coast.
. And despite John McCain's claim Friday that Palin is a budget-cutter, the governor this year oversaw 6 percent increase in Alaska's operating and construction budget, fueled by a revised tax structure and skyrocketing crude oil prices.
Dermot Cole, a longtime columnist for Alaska's second largest newspaper, the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner, called McCain's choice of Palin "reckless" and questioned her credentials.
"Sarah Palin's chief qualification for being elected governor was that she was not Frank Murkowski," Cole said of her enormously unpopular predecessor, who lost favor with Alaskans in part because of unpopular budget cuts. "She was not elected because she was a conservative. She was not elected because of her grasp of issues or because of her track record as the mayor of Wasilla."
Her enormous popularity in the state took a hit this summer over her firing of her public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan, a former Anchorage police chief. State lawmakers launched a $100,000 investigation to determine if Palin dismissed Monegan because he would not fire the governor's ex-brother-in-law, Alaska State Trooper Mike Wooten, who has been involved in a messy custody battle with Palin's sister. (some integrity!!)
In 2005, before Palin ran for office, the Palin family accused Wooten of drinking beer in his patrol car, illegally shooting a moose and firing a Taser at his 11-year-old stepson. The Palins also claimed Wooten threatened to kill Sarah Palin's father. Wooten was suspended over the allegations for five days in 2006 but still has his job.
Palin denied the commissioner's dismissal had anything to do with her former brother-in-law and denied orchestrating dozens of telephone calls made by staff and family members to Wooten's bosses. The investigation launched by state lawmakers is expected to take at least three months.
State Sen. Hollis French, D-Anchorage, said Palin's candidacy does not change the investigation. "I think it raises its profile. I don't think it changes the steps you go through. It is what it is. You have to find out what happened," French said. The investigator hired by lawmakers two days ago told the Department of Law it was time to schedule Palin's deposition, French said.
Palin, in a move that shook up Alaska's Republican party, took on the state's long-term congressional delegation, U.S. Sen. Ted Stevens and Rep. Don Young, calling on them to explain why they're the target of federal corruption investigations. But she has been just as dogged trying to protect Alaska's main industry and cash cow, petroleum extraction, from the side-effects of Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne's decision to list polar bears as a threatened species. "Listing polar bears under the Endangered Species Act has the potential to damage Alaska's and the nation's economy without any benefit to polar bear numbers or their habitat," Palin said, a statement environmental groups call ridiculous. Polar bears use sea ice as a platform to hunt seals and the listing has the potential to disrupt future offshore drilling in polar bear territory. The disappearance of ice at such an alarming rate forced Kempthorne, who had not added a U.S. creature to the endangered species list since he took office, to declare polar bears threatened. Summer sea ice last year shrunk to the lowest level since the beginning of satellite observations, about 1.65 million square miles, nearly 40 percent less than the long-term average between 1979 and 2000. The National Snow and Ice Data Center said this week that 2008 could break that record. Most climate modelers predict a continued downward spiral, possibly with an Arctic Ocean that's ice free during summer months by 2030 or sooner. Palin contends climate models are unreliable, polar bear numbers have not crashed and they've survived other periods of warming. She has also claimed polar bears could adapt to living on land - a contention most international polar bear scientists find specious, given that grizzly bears already occupy that niche on land and polar bears have shown little ability to feed on land, other garbage or the occasional whale carcass. Palin is suing to overturn Kempthorne's decision.
Palin also claims to be a fiscal conservative, but watched this year as Alaska reaped the bounty of high oil prices and a revised tax structure. The excess has spared her from any sort of challenge to make tough budget-cutting decision, but did spur her to come to the rescue of Alaskans facing the nation's highest energy costs. Palin championed a $1 billion energy assistance package that will send each resident $1,200 to help offset energy costs, which runs to more than $9 per gallon for gasoline in rural Alaska. That will be on top of dividends from the Alaska Permanent Fund, checks to each qualified resident that are expected to exceed $2,000 this year.
Soap Opera Politics Volume 1, Issue 32

66 comments:

The Arizonian said...

Ok, I'll bite......

How is a Republican female VP choice a slap in the face of a failed Democratic, liberal, female Presidential candidate's supporters?

I fail to see the connection Dee........

The Arizonian said...

Or was McCain suppose to pick Hillary for his VP choice?

The Arizonian said...

I do not believe ANY Hillary supporters will vote for scandal soaked, former Beauty Queen (as Pat Buchanan repeated so often today) Sarah Palin.
Here is why:
1. Hillary is a brilliant diplomat, well experienced in foreign policy, Palin is not.
2.Hillary is an excellent, knowledgable speaker and holds her own in the toughest debates. We know nothing about Palins debate style.
3. Senators, Congress,political leaders around the world know and respect Hillary. Not even Kay Bailey Hutchinson (who would have made a far better, more credible choice for VP vs Palin) knew who Palin was when she was interviewed on CNN this morning.
4. Palin is wrong on Pro Choice, Wrong on Gun Control, Wrong on Gay Rights, Wrong on Equal Pay for Equal Work, Wrong on Global Warming (but Pat Buchanan says she is a former Beauty Queen!)
5. Palin supported Pat Buchanan in his last Presidential Bid! (and is a former Beauty Queen)

What a slap in the face to ALL WOMEN to have someone with Palin´s lack of knowledge, skills, experience, so far less than Hillary, in line for President! What an insult to Hillary and to ALL Women!! (How dare Palin invoke Hillary´s name today during her VP acceptance speech merely pandering for female Democratic voters to support her.)
Even her own state questions her V.P. Candidacy.


This is probably the most arrogant thing I have seen you post Dee.....

The Arizonian said...

Palin is wrong on Pro Choice

How are you wrong on Pro choice? Are you saying she is for abortion? Your comment is a double negative.

You basically said something that makes as much sense as "I am intolerant of intolerant people".

The Arizonian said...

Dee,
I hate to go off topic, but just what is your stance on firearms? Just a curiosity......

Dee said...

Ok Arizonian. You know I like you and think you are a very intelligent poster. I will respond to your questions even though I know you are a staunch Republican and will probably disagree with everything I say.

Palin is a slap in the face because the Republicans believe she is comparable to Hillary Clinton and would be a viable 2nd choice to those Hillary voters so disgruntled to the Dem ticket that they are willing to choose a viable female candidate in the Republican party. Pail is NOT even a close 2nd. A viable choice for your side may have been Condoleeza, Kay Bailey, but Palin? Come On! Don´t be ridiculous!

Dee said...

Not Arrogant dear Az, merely Factual!

The Arizonian said...

I am no Republican, that is the third time I have said that.

"Wrong on pro-choice" is an opinion, not a fact. Therefore, an arrogant statement.

If the Republicans consider Palin to be the answer to Hillary, they are obviously not paying attention to the fact Hillary isn't running any more.

Anyone voting based on "race", "gender", or pretty much anything except issues is shallow and should have their voter registration cards removed (just my opinion).

I'm tired of division politics, and people I will leave unnamed are procreating this to the bitter end.

Dee said...

My stance on Firearms?
I believe in Civil Liberties.
However, I have a former friend who committed suicide.
I do not believe that person would have killed themselves except for the fact they were depressed that night and had access to a gun.
If you do have a gun, it should be licensed. I do not believe there is a need for assault weapons.

What is scary to me is all those angry people who go to those gun shows and have dozens of guns at their disposal.
I believe in Civil Liberties, but gun ownership troubles me.

It is one of those areas I do not have a solution for and merely live by the Bill of Rights.

For me personally, I do not allow guns, weapons in my home and my family, children, extended family do not have guns nor have access to them.

Dee said...

My view on Abortion?
I do not support Abortion. I have never had nor have I ever considered an Abortion.
However, I believe women should have a choice and they themselves, with their family, with their counsel, should have the opportunity to make a choice based on the cirucumstances.

I say this very lightly, however, because I believe in Life!

I love Children! I love Family!

This issue is very troubling for me. I am so often torn on this issue. I think each case should be viewed individually.

Dee said...

I am against division (wedge issue) politics. I think the demands are more on the Republican side vs the Dems.

The Dems believe in Choice for Abortion, for Gays, for Religion.

Personally, I do not advocate Gun Control. I only demand none in my home or around me.

The Arizonian said...

Ok, you touched a couple of things that I am pretty animate about:

1. Suicide/depression

Chances are, if the didn't tell anyone about their feeling towards ending their own life, they would have used something else to willfully die. I am not at all surprised that someone who couldn't deal with life would take the easiest way out and choose a firearm.

2. Anger does not equal violence

Anger is actually healthy, to a point. Anger and fear kept me alive in the sandbox after all.

3. Gun registration.

I am a little split on this one. It would only really be effective if the registration started at the factory and/or the port of entry. While it would be effective in crime investigations (if they recovered the weapon) in determining who is suppose to have it, registration does reduce violence, only a shift in mentality on the part of the offender reduces violence.

The reason that registration bothers me is when the Feds decide they are going to dis-arm their peasants from defending themselves and their rights, they will have a list. Not paranoia, just history.

The Arizonian said...

I am against division (wedge issue) politics. I think the demands are more on the Republican side vs the Dems.

Right, just like when McCain called on white voters to make the right choice? Or when he called out to seniors? And now, to women?

Oh, wait.... That was the Dems......

Dee said...

AZ, Gun Registration to you is like eVerify for me. I continually flip flop on the issue. I know it is the right thing to do but I also think it is a violation of civil liberties.

Regarding the person I know who committed suicide, I know for a fact, no gun, no suicide. Kinda person they were. It was spur of the moment when that person thought all was going wrong and choices were limited.

I hate guns, even though my Dad was a deer hunter.

Dee said...

AZ, the more I think about it, it is more handguns and assault weapons I oppose.

Keeping the hunting weapons in a locked gun case requires time and thinking. Perhaps that is an important differentiation.

Dee said...

AZ,
Wedge issues equals
1. Abortion
2. Gay Rights
3. Gun Control

(let me go thru my list to think of others... what do you think are wedge issues?)

Hran said...

re: gun control

The problem is not guns per se, but Hispanics and blacks with guns.

Notice that Vermont (white persons not Hispanic, 2006 95.7%) allows citizens to carry without a permit.

Whereas Washington D.C. (black persons, percent, 2006 (a) 56.5%) had one of the most restrictive gun laws (before being struck down in the recent Supreme Court decision).

It is also very difficult to get a carry permit in Los Angeles County (white persons not Hispanic, 2006 29.2%) ...

Nelson said...

Dee, I often agree with you, but your opinion seemed pretty much prejudiced (in the pre-judge someone before you get to know them way).

You'd seem more balanced if you waited a few days and came up with pros and cons after you researched her record and listened to her. I still think most of us are in the getting to know her stage. Don't just go by Democrat party talking points (or Republican ones).

Who knows, I may dislike her after I find out more, but for now I'm keeping an open mind. I especially like her anti-corruption record. That's just what we need in Washington if we're going to get our government back in order.

The Arizonian said...

Whereas Washington D.C. (black persons, percent, 2006 (a) 56.5%) had one of the most restrictive gun laws (before being struck down in the recent Supreme Court decision).

And when the ban went into place, their murder rate went up 400% over a period of a few years. Why would that be? with the ban in place, less guns means less violence, right?

Then there is the case of a town in Utah that passed a city ordnance that required ever home have a firearm. Care to guess what happened?

Their crime rate fell 76%.

Gays have rights Dee. Marriage isn't a right, which is why you have to file for a marriage license. I know several people that have been denied such a "straight" license.

Abortion can be a tricky subject.
On a personal level, I find the practice barbaric and meaningless in a just society. I feel as though abortion, in some ways, allows an escape from responsibility.
However....
I also realize that we are a Nation of laws, not feelings or opinions. What right does anyone, other than the parties involved, to tell a woman what she can do to herself.
But I have one exception: Late term abortions. These equate to ripping out a viable baby from the womb, and killing it. I hate to be a jerk about this but, once that fetus leaves the womb and encounters the atmosphere, it is a baby, not a fetus. Your "reproductive rights" end at your womb. "Late term" abortions are basically "partial-birth" abortions. No one is "partially" born. You either were born or not, not "partially".

In other countries, ruthless regimes do this to women, and we call it murder, genocide, ethnic-cleansing.... But in the US, we call it "reproductive rights".

WARNING GRAPHIC
If you think you can handle it:
Youtube: at 24 weeks(8 months)
The Hard Truth

Now tell me with a straight face this should remain legal.....

The Arizonian said...

Kill and Destroy: Obama's Legacy

The Arizonian said...

Yep.... The Dems are the party of the people alright..... At least the one's that can vote......

dianne said...

I don’t understand why the dems are so worried about Palin. They have so much to be proud of and confident in. ..a guy with less than a term of Senate experience, most of which spent on the campaign trail; a guy who probably never held a gun in his life, yet who would command the greatest armed forces in the world; a guy who left wreckage behind him in the community he “organized” in Illinois; a guy who associated with terrorists; a guy who attended a racially divisive church for over 20 years; a guy who believes in sucking the brains out of a living baby if the mother decides she doesn’t want it for whatever reason;

but

who gives a good speech.

Liquidmicro said...

The article linked under your DNC talking points is quite biased. The pic of the polar bear with the photo chopped tongue is a bit hilarious though. Just maybe Governor Palin is correct, now wouldn't that be grand!

We all have to watch the environmental groups, especially when they have 'other than' motives behind what they do, and we all know what that is...$$$$$$$. Many reports I have read say the polar bears are doing just fine and that they have actually lived and survived in tougher times.

Is the Polar Bear Endangered, or Just Conveniently
Charismatic?



CONCLUSION:
At present, polar bear populations are robust and,
according to native people, are considerably larger than
they were in previous decades.29 Predictions of polar
bear endangerment are based on two sets of computer
models: one set predicts how much Arctic sea ice will
melt as a result of global warming, and the other predicts
how polar bear populations will respond. But computer
models of climate are known to be fraught with
problems, and the ecological models used to predict
polar bear response are equally limited.
Because of extreme limitations in data, it is essentially
impossible to decide whether polar bears are endangered
and whether their habitat is threatened by man-made
global warming or other natural climate cycles. This is
acknowledged by the experts themselves—the actual
IUCN/SSC report is more broad in naming causes and
more conservative about estimating their effects.
What we do know about polar bears is that, contrary
to media portrayals, they are not fragile “canary in the
coal mine” animals, but are robust creatures that have
survived past periods of extensive deglaciation. Polar
bear fossils have been dated to over one hundred
thousand years, which means that polar bears have
already survived an interglacial period when temperatures
were considerably warmer than they are at present
and when, quite probably, levels of summertime Arctic
sea ice were correspondingly low.30

Dee said...

Oh Hran,
Only minorities should not have guns? Hah!
Where does my list start:
1. Timothy McVeigh and all militia members, Aryan Nation members, skinheads, White Supremist gangs
2. Columbine and most school shootings
3. Guy who walked into Hillarys campaign headquarters
4. BTK, Gacy, Bundy, and many serial killers.

I will stop but I could go on and on.

Hran said...
re: gun control
The problem is not guns per se, but Hispanics and blacks with guns.

Dee said...

Nelson,
Fair enough.
Each person should judge for themselves.
I did complete research and therefore I formed my opinion.
Dont take my opinion. Once you find out more, decide for yourself.

Dee said...

Nelson,
I will say one thing that did set me off about Palin. It was when she pandered to Hillary supporters as if comparing herself to Hillary.
Wrong!!

Dee said...

Arizonian,
I said I oppose Abortion for myself. I never even considered it. I am proud to say I raised two very fine sons.

I looked at the pictures before. However, I cannot make choices for other women. They each have to make their own choices based on their own circumstances.

I do know two women who had abortions in their youths. They were very troubled women at the time. The vast majority of women who undergo this procedure are not married. Unlike men who walk away, they cannot walk away. They have to make a decision based on what is happening to their lives, what they can or cannot do to support the child, and on and on. You as a man do not know what happens to a woman and the amount of time and responsibility it takes as a woman. You cannot say men do not walk away. Perhaps if we had laws saying if you have sex with a woman you are committing to a lifetime of responsibility and accountability, not just child support IF you catch them.

Dee said...

Liquid,
The article is from the Anchorage Daily News, their main newspaper. The link to the phone call was the actual recorded phone call where her right hand man hounded the local cops to hang her ex brother in law. Then she fired the guy who didnt fire her brother in law. This is all coming out NOW as we speak. She is participating in dirty politics of the worst kind, Self Serving!!

I still think McCain chose her because he wants to lose the campaign.

Liquidmicro said...

I thought I talked about the Polar Bears, don't remember talking about her situation.

The Arizonian said...

They're not pictures Dee.

I was one that thought, as I stated here, that abortion should be left to the woman to decide.

But after watching these videos, in their entirety, I have a slightly different opinion. I have seen men do unspeakable things to others in war. But this, is by far the most disturbing thing I have ever seen. I can't understand how any rational person can view these images and say "it's about reproductive rights".

Supporting abortion is supporting brutality. Abortions are not a step forward, but a step back into the realm of barbarianism and towards humanity's continued de-evolution.

The argument about being able to support the baby is a flaccid one. There is a support structure.

People need to own up to their mistakes. As I have always preached, prevention is always preferred to cleaning up a mistake.

Liquidmicro said...

Abortion is also a tool for population control, yet Dee chastises Tanton for population control, when in fact, it seems she agrees with his teachings. Maybe after all, Dee might be the Tanton Puppet.

Anon4 said...

Where is Liquid’s logic here?

War is also a tool for population control. So, if Dee chastises Tanton for one version of population control, then in fact, it seems she agrees with all of his teachings. Maybe after all, Dee might be the Tanton Puppet.

If… then, in fact… it seems… maybe… might

Pretty definite conclusion, for so many probabilities.

Liquidmicro said...

Well, Anon4, had she and AZ been talking of WAR, then would it not be different? But in fact, she was talking of Abortion, and if you had been reading this blog since its beginning, I have in fact, asked Dee before her stance on abortion, to make the point I made previously.

War as population control?? I guess in the end it may be, however in the beginning it is not.

Wasn't it your post in re-writing my post where you came up with the "If… then, in fact… it seems… maybe… might", probabilities?

ultima said...

"Hillary is a brilliant diplomat, well experienced in foreign policy..."

My how easily one can acquire credentials as a brilliant diplomat. Hill has never served as an ambassador, never been a member of the cabinet, and never worked in the State Department. She has made a few junkets to various countries for minor purposes, a little like reporters on the society or home and garden beats -- that's all. The quote above is a gross exaggeration like those foreign relations credentials Obama acquired in his brief stops in several countries.

ultima said...

"Hillary is an excellent, knowledgable speaker and holds her own in the toughest debates. We know nothing about Palins debate style."

Since Hill is out of the picture I fail to see the point of these pre-judgments. We do know that Palin is a tough competitor with higher ethical standards than the Clintons ever had. I suspect she is a quick study and a lot more than a pretty face. She is the VP candidate, not Hillary.

I suppose we will hear that she is only a heartbeat away from the presidency. That margin might be more than Obama's margin since he is potentially only an election away from the presidency with equally unimpressive foreign policy credentials. That is why he picked Joe "Motormouth" Biden isn't it? Because he knew as we all do that a few visits to foreign countries does not a foreign policy expert make.

ultima said...

"scandal soaked, former Beauty Queen..."

Sounds like a kind of catty remark to me. The question is what would Dee have done in Palin's position? I guess she would just ignore the plight of her sister and make no effort to get this miscreant husband off the payroll. It's unfortunate that unions sometimes of often feel impelled to support members even though they are not the kind of people who deserve such support. I hope there will be more governors who will take a principled stand against such miscreant officers and do what they can to get rid of them.

ultima said...

Whether Hillary's supporters will I think the last of these categories will see her as a very successful woman executive with guts, perserverance, resilience and tenacity. I think they will see a woman who if called upon will rise to the challenge and perform magnificently, at least as well as Obama, Mc Cain or Biden.

It really wouldn't make any difference to Dee if Rice was the VP nominee. She would be railing about Rice's connection with the Bush Administration and would have nothing positive to say about the superiority of her foreign policy credentials over those of either Hill or Nobama.

ultima said...

'"Palin is wrong on Pro Choice, Wrong on Gun Control, Wrong on Gay Rights, Wrong on Equal Pay for Equal Work, Wrong on Global Warming"

My what a heavy indictment when we don't even know her yet. It's interesting on the first item how easily without any qualms of conscience Dee ignores the teachings of her church. Shouldn't she be ex-communicated?

Dee who often touts the 14th amendment seems ready to abandon the 2nd if that serves her purpose.

Arizona has the right position on gay rights.

Equal pay for equal work is not that simple. Where is the experience factor? Where is the longevity factor? Where is the seniority factor? Where is the recognition that most women do work that is different from that done by men. Having written that, I believe in equal pay for equal work, ceteris paribus.

ultima said...

"Wrong on global warming" -- she joins a large number of reputable scientists who take that same position. I think they are wrong and I think she is wrong. She needs a long vacation at Point Barrow or Thule Greenland after the election to get her head around the melting polar ice cap.

ultima said...

"What a slap in the face to ALL WOMEN to have someone with Palin´s lack of knowledge, skills, experience, so far less than Hillary, in line for President! What an insult to Hillary and to ALL Women!!"

Sounds like nothing more than sour grapes to me and a testimony to Nobama's big mistake, one that otherwise could have almost guaranteed him the presidency -- so much for his judgment on this matter crucial to this election.

This business of "insults" is unadulterated BS.

The Arizonian said...

She needs a long vacation at Point Barrow or Thule Greenland after the election to get her head around the melting polar ice cap.

Yes, the ice cap is melting....
But bear this in mind:
Ice ages are not natural, per se. Ice ages are the result of a large non-terrestrial rock slamming into the earth from space at a high rate of speed, causing global cooling. The ice ages are a testament to just how un-balanced the earth has been for the last few million years or so (or not at all if you're a creationist)due to this event.

I am one to believe that what we are seeing is a cycle brought on events we really can not control.

Just my opinion.

Dee said...

Arizonian,
I know you posted videos. I started to watch them. But as I said, I have seen the pictures before.

Until you walk in a womans shoes you cannot speak for her when the man walked away. Neither can I. My husband and I have been together since teenagers!

Dee said...

No one holds the man accountable. Accountability should start at the day sex is performed! But it will never happen. Therefore the choice is the womans!

Dee said...

Higher ethical standards?? Hah!! Palin cant even get past manipulating those that dont fire her brother in law! Trailer trash from day 1!! Some candidate for VP!

Dee said...

Ulty, I would love to see you debate Hillary! I would love to see you debate me! I would love to see Liquid or Arizonian debate me too, live! in a hot second!! (so sad to see such big boys lose!!)

I doubt Palin could stand up to you!

She is the weakest, Buchanan lacky, weak, Republican basking babe as I have ever seen!

Liquidmicro said...

So, due to your prejudice and disdain for Governor Palin, she is guilty, as judged by you without fully knowing the extent of her involvement, only from reading a news article. There has been NO jugement to her 'scandal' as of yet, so, what happened to "innocent until PROVEN guilty"??

Dee said...

Palin is NOT strong! She has NOT even been tested. I would love to see her debate Nancy Pelosi or Loretta Sanchez or Kay Bailey Hutchison or Geraldine Ferraro or Condoleeza Rice or Claire McCaskill or any leading woman in American politics. I would debate her!

She is nobody, no one, no skills, no talent, ex beauty contest runner up supporter of the heinous Pat Buchanan! What a Bimbo!!

Dee said...

Liquid, So are you going to vote for her as President? Do you want her to be put in that position? Do you? Tell us!

Liquidmicro said...

As you are aware Dee, I have stated I am not voting for either candidate, Gov. Palin though, due to her speech, peaked my interest due to her fiscal responsibility aspect and ethics.

I, in fact, am intending to place your name in nomination, I would like to see you in a debate against any of the 4 candidates. Although, I digress, the debate would be just as it is in here, same old tired talking points from you. I would hate to see you, in the mainstream public eye, demeanored.

The Arizonian said...

Dee,
I would love to debate you or anyone else when it comes to important issues.

But you will lose. Much as Hillary did.

Both you and Hillary share similar traits: hard headed, hypocritical, arrogant, and have a tendency of not answering the question that was asked, instead going on some rant about something else. Then playing some card (either race, gender, etc.) to gain some sympathy. Then there is the issue of making illogical and irrational arguments. And you both follow the line of sheep right to the slaughter.

It's easy to believe you are right when you see only your picture in front of you.

Until you walk in a womans shoes you cannot speak for her when the man walked away.

No, but I will fight for her, and you, and every other citizen of this country.

and until you walk in the shoes of the many peoples of the world being slaughtered, heard their cries, washed their blood from your clothes, smelt their decaying bodies, and stared them in the eyes and said that you are here to make the dying stop, shut your face about the war.

Liquidmicro said...

I'm sitting here watching the Obama and Biden speech n CNN, someone just fainted, Obama asks for an EMT, says don't worry he/she will be alright and continued on with his speech. No worry or concern for the person!! They will be alright!!


It's all about, HIM!!! Continue talking joebama, uncaring idiot!!

dianne said...

The news media is coming around to the conclusion that McCain's choice of Sarah Palin was NOT to try and get Hillary voters. It was to solidify his base (checkmark) and to reach those blue collar voters in toss up states who voted for Hillary because she related to their real world, as opposed to elite, life (checkmark). I heard that on CNN and now while I'm listening to George Stephanopolis this morning.

Sarah Palin would NEVER attract NARAL Hillary voters nor would she attract any died in the wool democrat such as Dee.

And, Sarah Palin will hopefully attract many of those Reagan democrats who are fiscally conservative and who are tired of government corruption and waste. This is critical for McCain and a big risk.

I like what I see in Sarah Palin except I do have concern for her lack of foreign policy experience. It would be a lie if I said otherwise. However, I have the same concern for Barack Obama's lack of foreign policy experience and I wouldn't vote for him any more than Dee would vote for McCain.

Palin is NOT a slap in the face to Hillary supporters. She was chosen to appeal to social and economic conservatives as well as those regular Joe Independents.

Dee said...

Liquid,
You said you were going to put your name as a candidate. Now you say you will my name in. Are you running as VP?

Dee said...

I would still love to see her debate Nancy Pelosi or Loretta Sanchez or Kay Bailey Hutchison or Geraldine Ferraro or Condoleeza Rice or Claire McCaskill or any leading woman in American politics.

However Pat Buchanan still says she is a former Beauty Queen!

Dee said...

I found this article interesting. Polls say she is the WRONG choice!!

Undecideds Don't Like The Palin Pick
30 Aug 2008 08:34 pm

The headlines are about the broad polling reaction to Palin. But the most fascinating part of the first Rasmussen poll on the matter is how those who are currently undecided in the election feel. They, after all, are the votes both campaigns are trying to win over with their veep picks. The key data is in the cross-tabs, which have been missed in some of the coverage so far.

On the critical question, "With Palin As Vice-Presidential Nominee, Are You More Or Less Likely To Vote For McCain," there's a striking result. Among those already for McCain, 68 percent say it makes them more likely to vote for him; only 6 percent say less; and 23 percent said no impact. Among those already for Obama, Palin made only 9 percent of them more likely to switch to McCain, 59 percent less likely, and 30 percent said it would make no difference.

But among the critical undecideds, the Palin pick made only 6 percent more likely to vote for McCain; and it made 31 percent less likely to vote for him. 49 percent said it would have no impact, and 15 percent remained unsure. More to the point: among undecideds, 59 percent said Palin was unready to be president. Only 6 percent said she was. If the first criterion for any job is whether you're ready for it, this is a pretty major indictment of the first act of McCain's presidential leadership.

Dee said...

Arizonian,
It would be interesting to debate you. I´ve made the offer to others who have posted here for a while.
By phone might be interesting. Or, if not by phone, on a discussion board I belonged to a year or so ago, we debated via a dedicated webpage. I might be able to do that here on one of the side bars. I might be able to figure something out. Let me know if you are serious about this and then we can ask the other viewers for their input. We should probably select one topic question to debate-answer.

Dee said...

Arizonian,
I, of course honor your service. My two nephews are still there. One of my nephews is a career man. I have several nephews and nieces that have served. My brother and brother in law served in Vietnam. My uncles served in WW2 and Korea. My sister and nieces served in the Military. We are a family of military supporters.

I will speak my mind about a war that should have never happened in the first place.

Just as you speak your mind about a Woman´s Right to Choose.


Arizonian said:
and until you walk in the shoes of the many peoples of the world being slaughtered, heard their cries, washed their blood from your clothes, smelt their decaying bodies, and stared them in the eyes and said that you are here to make the dying stop, shut your face about the war.

Liquidmicro said...

Dee said...

Liquid,
You said you were going to put your name as a candidate. Now you say you will my name in. Are you running as VP?

Since we both are Democrats. That would be the same as the Democratic ticket then would it not?

Dee said...

Liquid,
A brilliant Harvard Grad with a tall, pale old coot? Yes, Maybe!

Da Tiger said...

Dee said "we can ask the other viewers for their input. We should probably select one topic question to debate"

Hey, I got an idea... how about immigration?

I can understand how one bit of news can create a commotion of euphoria/ revulsion and general apathy, but, after all, the name of this blog says it is about immigration. Perhaps, as Dee says, you can take that debate somewhere else, to a side bar.

Liquidmicro said...

What are you talking about Tiger??

Follow along, start from the beginning, it might help you comprehend what was being discussed, by the way, it was Dee that put up the idea and the challenge to any and all of us. She also talked about a possible side bar here on her blog. Keep up!! Comprende'??

Dee said...

Liquid,
My you have been taking nasty pills lately!
Da Tiger just thought it was good to post a sidebar.

Palin is done anyway!
More dirt has come out on her affairs and her daughter´s pregnancy.

I guess McCain did not Vet her very well!

The Arizonian said...

The Dems must be scared if they are pulling up so much dirt and critisizing Palin this much.

Maybe they think they will lose to "an old coot and a beauty queen".

Dee said...

Lol Arizonian.
I am watching Newt Gingrinch on Fox right now.
The first words out of his mouth are "she is attractive..."

Yech!!!

Dee said...

What bugs me is the total disrespect the Republican party has for the American people and Women specifically by nominating this xxxxx.

patriot said...

It was McCain's personal choice, not the whole Republican party. If the American public doesn't like his choice then they won't vote for them. Whats the big deal? You want the Dems to win anyway!

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