Wednesday, July 22, 2009

ANTI's Advocate the BLEACHING OF AMERICA!!

The ANTI Immigration Reform Groups are advocating the BLEACHING OF AMERICA. The truth is they are advocating legislation which would vastly reduce the number of non-whites in America and restrict future Immigration to allow primarily educated northern Europeans to enter.

Consider the agenda of the ANTI Immigration Reformers:
1. Mass Deportation of the 12M here: A Wall on the Southern Border, enforcement of current broken immigration laws, ICE Raids promoted to ensure the 12M here are deported.
2. Official English: Although Congress ruled English as the National Language, extremists advocate Official English laws thereby permitting the printing of all government documents, particularly voting documents, in English only. This includes stopping any government agency from providing Translators. Some local/state legislation has produced restrictions on Spanish in the workplace, even between co-workers.
3. Change the 14th Ammendment: Change Birthright citizenship laws to citizenship based on parental status. (Jus Soli vs Jus Sanguine)
4. Reduced/Regulated Future Immigration: Many ANTI Immigration Reform websites advocate regulating future immigration to only educated Northern Europeans.

When I have studied these groups' websites they also oppose our President, Barack Obama, often promoting conspiracy theories about his birth certificate. Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, strong Anti Immigration Reform zealots are also strong opponents of the President, wishing for him to FAIL.

They also oppose the candidacy of the honorable Judge Sotomayor for Supreme Court Justice. They also demonize reputable Latino Humanitarian organizations including NCLR (who they negatively refer to as "La Raza"), MALDEF, PRLDEF.

If you also consider the fact they are opposed to Immigration from the Middle East, Africa and those they term "3rd World Countries", ALL COUNTRIES OF COLOR, you begin to understand their overall motivation. Many of their closet members are members of Hate Groups, including the KKK, Stormfront, NSMs, White Nationalists, Skinheads and more.

When you study all of these issues and their perspectives, it is clear. The majority of ANTI Immigration Reformers are advocating "The Bleaching of America!"

76 comments:

Vicente Duque said...

Dee :

I agree with what you post, here and in other of your articles and editorials.

I pity those guys that are blind because of Racism, Hate and Fear.

I pity their paranoia, their lack of Intelligence and Understanding.

I feel compassion for their Repudiation of Reason. For their Deep Subconscious Inferiority Complexes that resurface as Superiority Complexes.

I pity their Lack of Education and Culture, their Primitiveness that calls "Third World" other people, when in fact they are more "Fourth World" than anybody else in this planet.

I pity the owners of "Western Civilization" for their Imbecility, Brutality and Ignorance.

They are pathetic in their inferiority and fears, they are pathetic in their self inflicted and self imposed shortcomings, self imposed intellectual and economic disadvantages.

They are pathetic in their waste of Time for a LOST CAUSE.

They are ridiculous, ludicrous, laughable in their Arguments that contradict economic science, mathematics, demography and even polls, elections and demoscopy.

They do not pay any attention to science, except repeating the same campaign lines given by those Merchants of Hate that are becoming rich by exploiting millions of Village Idiots.

The same Village Idiots that voted for George W. Bush. The same Village Ediots that oppose Evolution and try to force feed Creationism.

The same Bible Thumpers that use the Bible to promote Racism, Homophobia and the Christian Gospels to promote anti Semitism. I pity the stupid owners of "God" as if God were an idiot like them.

They are pathetic LOSERS !! ... The Right Wing recruits the Intellectual Weaklings, Idiots like Pat Buchanam that writes a book saying that Hitler could have been appeased and the Second World War avoided.

They recruit the sons of Dysfunctional families to kill Immigrants and Abortion Doctors.

They lost the Elections of 2006 and 2008 and now they are going to lose their briefs, their socks and their shirts, and their sanity.

Raciality.com

Vicente Duque

The Arizonian said...

What does NCLR stand for again?

National Council of La Raza, Or translated: National Council of The Race.

Now, according to their website:
"What does the term “La Raza” mean?
The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people,” or, according to some scholars, “the Hispanic people of the New World.” The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. Some people have mistranslated “La Raza” to mean “The Race,” implying that it is a term meant to exclude others."


They claim that "The Race" is a mistranslation. If this is true, then why does every single Spanish-English dictionary list Raza as Race?

I find it curious....

The reason I don't support organizations like theirs is simple: the represent a narrow, custom tailored view based on pseudo-racial criteria. In effect they are a special-interest group.

They should re-invent themselves as a civil right organization for ensuring the rights of ALL people, not just 'Hispanics'. They should stop injecting a 'Hispanic' view of issues.

If anyone was advocating a 'White's rights' or 'Whites perspective' on issues they would instantly be labeled racist or narrow minded, and rightfully so. So why do we allow this hypocrisy to continue?

As much as many people hate them, the ACLU has done more to preserve rights, and they have done so in a secular fashion. No racial pandering, no gender pandering. They have defended immigrants and even Jerry Falwell (cringe) alike.

To effectively combat racism, one must first stop viewing themselves as being apart of some 'race' or 'ethnicity'.

ultima said...

Dee & Duque, the dynamic duo, know full well that the ad hominem "bleaching of America" accusation does not hold water. The "Browning" of America is a fact. It will never be undone. The only question is whether we have a right to determine who enters our country. Having that right will not appreciably alter the complexion of America. If the border could be sealed off, that would not prevent the "Browning of America".

Speaking of blindness, Duque, you should see your optometrist. You may have some latent retinitis pigmentosa, macular degeneration, glaucoma, or whatever. If you get a negative report, then we all can pity you. We already do so because of your single-minded and simple-minded view of every argument as being driven by racism, hate, and fear instead of reason. How unfortunate to have such a limited view of the world.

Dee said...

Az,
As I have often said, referring to NCLR as "la raza" is equivalent to calling the NAACP "colored people."

Colored People is a term, as is la raza, however, they are not the names of the Humanitarian Organizations dedicated to supporting Americans. Anyone of any color or ethnicity may join both groups.

Read their mission statements.

Here is NCLRs Mission:
The National Council of La Raza (NCLR) – the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the United States – works to improve opportunities for Hispanic Americans.

Here is NAACP Mission:
The mission of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is to ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of rights of all persons and to eliminate racial hatred and racial discrimination.

Dee said...

Az,
As I have often said, referring to NCLR as "la raza" is equivalent to calling the NAACP "colored people."

Colored People is a term, as is la raza, however, they are not the names of the Humanitarian Organizations dedicated to supporting Americans. Anyone of any color or ethnicity may join both groups.

Read their mission statements.

Here is NCLRs Mission:
The National Council of La Raza (NCLR) – the largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the United States – works to improve opportunities for Hispanic Americans.

Here is NAACP Mission:
The mission of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is to ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of rights of all persons and to eliminate racial hatred and racial discrimination.

Dee said...

Ultima,
Hmmmm.... hit a nerve did I Ultima.

The Bleaching of America clearly describes the ANTI agenda.

I've shared it with several of my PRO peers. I am hoping it will be issued on discussion boards and blogs across America. It clearly, clearly describes the ANTI's end term goal!

Dee said...

Ultima,
Hmmmm.... hit a nerve did I Ultima.

The Bleaching of America clearly describes the ANTI agenda.

I've shared it with several of my PRO peers. I am hoping it will be issued on discussion boards and blogs across America. It clearly, clearly describes the ANTI's end term goal!

ultima said...

Dee wrote, "The truth is they are advocating legislation which would vastly reduce the number of non-whites in America and restrict future Immigration to allow primarily educated northern Europeans to enter."

Please provide a reference to any mainstream pro-America source that advocates reducing the number of non-whites in America. To the extent that any fringe element advocates this it is analogous to the advocacy of La Raza, MALDEF, LULAC, PRLDEF, and MEChA that advocate for their race. The "bleaching of America" idea is the output of a feeble mind.

I readily admit that I believe we should have a national objective of a stable population for reasons I have stated many times. I also admit that to achieve that goal we have to secure the borders and reduce legal immigration to the historical level of 200,000 per year exclusive of tourists, students and temporary migrant workers. I also favor focusing the 200,000 on those applicants who possess the entrepreneuria and innovative skills, the inventiveness, the education, and the demonstrated potential needed to keep America competitive and at the forefront of technological innovation. This is just plain common sense. Does anyone see in that principle something that would exclude anyone on the basis of race? No! In fact, I would put foreign PhD students in science, engineering and math on a fast track to citizenship if they desired it --- for the same reason, competitiveness. In case you didn't know, many of these PhD students are of the unbleached variety.

Paranoia has overtaken Dee and Duque. They must have been influenced by Michael Jackson's transformation, whether natural or manmade.

Congress has taken no action regarding the English language. Such language that may have been in the CIR bills was inadequate and, in any event, failed to pass.

Perpetually Official English is misconstrued as English only. The former has to do only with governmental functions and publications and interpreters. We need to tighten up the language requirement for citizenship so that only those who can read and understand ballots in English qualify. Some will not be able to do this but their children will so no great loss there if they are not threatened with expulsion on the sole basis of a language deficiency, which they aren't.

Anonymous said...

"If anyone was advocating a 'White's rights' or 'Whites perspective' on issues they would instantly be labeled racist or narrow minded,"

That is exactly what the Republicans do, they advocate a whites only view and criticize any other view reverse racism.

Anonymous said...

We saw the bleaching of america at work when obama nominated sotomayor. the "bleachers" were screeching just like ultima and the arizona kid are screeching right now.

ow, the bleacing truth hurts.

clorox anyone?

ultima said...

And how many times has Dee trotted out that old mass deportation of 12million illegals overnight argument. It is really getting boring to have to deal with that all the time when she should know better.

As I have pointed out time and again ad nauseum, there are no mainstream advocates of that kind of approach even though it is logistically feasible. I have always been an advocate of the rule of law which requires a systematic approach to the the internal enforcement problem using e-verify. Everyone knows this would be a gradual process if for no other reason there is not enough ICE manpower to do otherwise. It has nothing to do with mass deportation but it does run counter to proposed mass legalization. C'mon Dee stop with the nonsense about mass deportation. You know it is not going to happen and you know only fringe elements even talk in those terms.

Anonymous said...

You're and idiot, dee! You even stated yourself what the NCLR's goals are and that is promote the civil rights of Hispanics. Why would any non-hispanic even want to join with a goal such as that? What would be in it for them? Are you really that stupid?

Even if they claim anyone can join and I am sure they wouldn't disallow it as I said, why would any non-hispanic want to? It is as racist an organization as the KKK is. Same goes for the NAACP. We don't need any of these groups in our country. They are all devisive and racist! We should only consider ourselves Americans, period!

Vicente Duque said...

Video : Republican Senator Lindsey Graham from South Carolina announces his vote for Sonia Sotomayor in the Senate Judiciary Committee

I count five Republican votes for Sonia Sotomayor : Susan Collins from Maine, Mel Martinez from Florida, Olympia Snowe from Maine and Dick Lugar from Indiana.

Curiously the shares that you buy at Intrade for betting on the Sotomayor Confirmation with at least 75 votes are down from the previous week highs, from 80 dollars to 63 right now.

We will be informing on Gamblers, Bettors and Bookies, because they are the best guide on future events. They always have "inside" information.

July 22, 2009
Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham says he'll vote for Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor, breaking with his party's conservative leaders. (July 22)

GOP Sen. Graham to Support Sotomayor

Milenials.com

Vicente Duque

Dee said...

Anon,
Both NCLR and NAACP are HUMANITARIAN Organizations for AMERICANS!

I posted your extremist comment so you could re-read it. Yes it is full of name calling and insanity and I should have rejected it, but I want you to recognize just how racist your comments are.

Hold a mirror in front of yourself and view the Face of a Radical Right Wing Extremist!

ultima said...

Dee wrote,"The majority of ANTI Immigration Reformers are advocating "The Bleaching of America!"

Please cite the authoritative statistically valid poll that led you to this unwarranted conclusion.

ultima said...

Anon2 wrote, "the "bleachers" were screeching just like ultima and the arizona kid are screeching right now."

I'm glad you wrote that sentence because it just shows that neolibs and other sundry leftwingers were never in favor of the senate doing its duty re: Sotomayor, just like they did for Thomas during his hearing. They don't really believe in free speech and intense questioning of nominees for the high court. Maybe some day they will get what they deserve.

ultima said...

El Duque wrote, "I pity their paranoia, their lack of Intelligence and Understanding."

As one suffering from all three maladies,you are hardly in a position to make a judgment about others. I would add tunnel vision, myopia, racism, as other contributing factors to the causes of your illness.

ultima said...

El Duque wrote, "I pity the owners of "Western Civilization" for their Imbecility, Brutality and Ignorance."

Western Civilization is widely recognized at the engine that has enabled man's advancement since the dark ages. Some, of course, have lagged behind and still resort to name calling and deprecation of the entire civilized world for lack on any real argument or because of a paucity of intellect. Surely, you can do better and stop this drum beat of name calling and insults.

The greatest thinkers of all time were a part of Western Civilization. By referring to them as imbeciles you betray your own imbecility.

"Third world" is a perfectly good and well-defined term used by all world leaders. What does that say about your intellect and education?
What does it say about you civility?

I take note that in spite of your criticisms of Western Civilization, here you are partaking in it. I should think you would want to pack your bag and travel to a far distant place where you can separate yourself from that civilization.

ultima said...

El Duque wrote, "I count five Republican votes for Sonia Sotomayor : Susan Collins from Maine, Mel Martinez from Florida, Olympia Snowe from Maine and Dick Lugar from Indiana."

This is old news. Sotomayor will be confirmed. The token votes against her will only be to register the continuing concern about the difference between her public remarks and her legal renderings and which will guide her on the high court. Those no votes are appropriate for that reason but I realize you will not be able to comprehend that point of view.

ultima said...

Anon wrote, "That is exactly what the Republicans do, they advocate a whites only view and criticize any other view reverse racism."

That,of course, should be considered a tongue in cheek comment. It is not what Republicans do or say however,that comment may be entirely appropriate for La Raza, et al. After all when was the last time you heard La Raza advocate anything except for Hispanics?

ultima said...

"Both NCLR and NAACP are HUMANITARIAN Organizations for AMERICANS!"

Oops! That last word should be "Hispanics" and, of course, we all know "humanitarian" is a code word for "political".

Dee said...

Ultima,
It is very clear, this statement has touched a raw nerve for you. Me thinks thou dost protest too much. The truth does hurt doesn't it.

Vicente Duque said...

Video of Rachel Maddow : The Greatest Imbecility of Racist Idiot Lou Dobbs : "Obama is undocumented" ( An Illegal Alien ? )

An Idiot goes GAGA ???

Or making money sowing Hate, Fear, Racism ??

Dave Weigel, Washington Independent Reporter talks with Rachel Maddow

July 21, 2009

Rachel Maddow Show: Lou Dobbs spreads the Birther conspiracy nonsense

Raciality.com

Vicente Duque

ultima said...

1. Mass Deportation of the 12M -- Dee’s hysteria and paranoia
Reality: Systematic, gradual identification and repatriation of illegal aliens using e-verify.
2. Restrictions on language -- Dee’s hysteria and paranoia
Reality: Official English. Require fluency in English for citizenship then no multi-lingual ballots would be required; public interpreters provided for those who cannot afford one; (Congress has not enacted an “National Language” bill.)
3. Change the 14th Ammendment: Change Birthright citizenship laws to citizenship based on parental status. (Jus Soli vs Jus Sanguine).
This is correct and follows the pattern of many other countries; it has nothing to do with the “bleaching or the browning of America”. It is just one of several disincentives needed to secure the border and place some value on citizenship beyond mere location of birth.
4. Regulate future immigration to only educated Northern Europeans -- Dee’s hysteria and paranoia
Reality: Stabilize our population; focus legal immigration on those from all continents and nations who have the entrepreneurial and innovative skills, inventiveness, education, and imagination to keep America competitive.

ultima said...

5. Strong opponents of the President, wishing for him to FAIL. – Dee’s hysteria and paranoia
Reality: Every president regardless of party has had opponents in and out of government; therefore that is hardly an extremist characteristic. Those wishing Obama to fail in some limited context separate his identity from that of our country. They are not one and the same. The silliness of Dee’s position on this is easily determined by reflecting on the comments she made when W. was in office. How many times did she wish he would fail? Many I can assure you so this item is the height of hypocrisy. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander! If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Dee has a problem that even Obama does not have. He understands this is the nature of politics and democracy in action. She apparently doesn’t.
6. Opposition to the candidacy of the honorable Judge Sotomayor for Supreme Court Justice. -- Dee’s hysteria and paranoia
Reality: Every nominee for the high court has been subjected to intense questioning and opposition before confirmation. This is the normal process documented in great detail in the record of such proceedings and it is an obligation of the senate to do so.
7. Demonization of reputable Latino Humanitarian organizations including NCLR (who they negatively refer to as "La Raza"), MALDEF, PRLDEF. Dee’s hysteria and paranoia
Reality: Put a question mark after the word reputable and substitute the “political” or “racist” for humanitarian and then if the shoe fits, put it on.
8. The majority of ANTI Immigration Reformers are advocating "The Bleaching of America!" Dee’s hysteria and paranoia
Reality: There is no credible information to support this contention, none! There are no supporting statistically sound polls that affirm this position. Fact: The Browning of America!!!

ultima said...

Dee wrote, "It is very clear, this statement has touched a raw nerve for you."

Yes, as well it should for all Americans, especially those who believe in truth, justice and the American way. Your diatribe may be appropriate for some of the fringe racist sites, but it does a grave disservice to your other readers and commenters. You really do know better, don't you?

ultima said...

The reality and the truth does hurt doesn't it? I think you have been caught in bald face lies, the same ones we have heard numerous times before. Moderation, my dear, moderation is more effective than extremism. Since that is your theme why not honor it in your own postings? Mainstream pro-America,anti-illegals have never advocated the bleaching of America. This is just an ad hominem phrase you invented out of whole cloth. The fact is: the Browning of America and nothing will change that. That being the case why bring up this absurdity.

Vicente Duque said...

What a Bunch of Idiots !

Do they want to destroy America while preaching Jingo Patriotism ??

Are these Jingo Chauvinists going to cause a lot of trouble ??

They have already caused Big Stupid Wars that go nowhere, idiotic slaughter that degrades America, what else do they want ??

Videos of Gallery of Very Prominent Idiots attacking Obama on Birth Certificate

"Obama is undocumented" ( An Illegal Alien ? ), Lou Dobbs, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Gordon Liddy, Michael Savage, Liz Cheney

Defending the President against the Bunch of Idiots :

CNN, Larry King, Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, Rick Sanchez, James Carville, John Avlon,

More Information on this Imbecility and Demagogic Bastardy :

Raciality.com

Vicente Duque

Anonymous said...

pat buchanan, the vocal leader for the white republicans recently boasted about how all good things in this country were because of whites. if that is not whites advocating a whites only view then i do not know what is.

it is apparent that ultima has no cred when it comes to talking about race. he cannot even recognize his own blatant racism.

Anonymous said...

ultima said...

Dee wrote, "It is very clear, this statement has touched a raw nerve for you."

Yes, as well it should for all Americans, especially those who believe in truth, justice and the American way.

ultie couldn't handle the truth. it is darn obvious he does not recognize it.

Dee said...

Ultima,
We all agree our Great USA is changing culturally. I call it advancing and becoming a beautiful multi racial, multi cultural country.

You call it "the browning of America." Every action the ANTIs take is to try and Bleach out the brown and people of color via your moves to:
1. Change the 14th Ammendment
2. Official English only
3. Mass Deportation through strict enforcement, ice raids, etc.
Your weak "attrition" argument does not change these facts.
4. Reduced future immigration to allow only educated northern europeans.
5. And through SCARING the American Public via false predictions and phony reports.

ANTIs DO NOT speak for ALL Americans. Your side is comprised of extreme restrictionists ala Dobbs, Beck and Limbaugh.

Most logical Americans accept the fact that our country, our world is changing. After all, we ARE All Equal.

You keep complaining that Latinos have just arrived in the US. That is a LIE. My family and countless Latino families have lived here for hundreds of years. Our birthrates have always been higher because we are Christians and many of our ancestors did not believe in birth control.

I attribute many of the changing demographics to knowledge and communication. Can you imagine Slavery, Indentured Servitude, the Trail of Tears or Manifest Destiny existing with the Internet and Cell Phones around the world? Those atrocities would never have happened.

The Arizonian said...

Dee, thank you for proving my point.

Both organizations do allow anyone of any 'ethnicity' or 'race' to be members.

My point was that both organizations cater to niche pseudo-racial groups- making them incompatible with the notion of equal rights.

The NCLR is working for 'equal rights for Hispanics', instead of pushing for equal rights of all humans in the US..... This is hypocritical and dare I say, racist.

Same applies to the NAACP.

This is why I respect organizations like Amnesty International and (usually) the ACLU.

Dee said...

Az,
Perhaps we agree to disagree.
I think these Humanitarian organizations are very honorable and needed.
There are also similar groups for Asians, Native Americans, and other ethnicities. Many corporations have "resource groups" that help their local communities, based on ethnicity. I think it is honorable for an ethnic group to help children in their neighborhoods, within their communities, particularly to advance in Education and Community Service.

ultima said...

The Brown Agenda
1. Official bilingualism followed by Spanish only.
2. Open borders to hasten Mexico Norte
3. Amnesty for all border violators
4. Health Care coverage for illegals at taxpayer expense
5. If you can get across the border, you are welcome
6. Make the Anglos feel uncomfortable and unwelcome in our neighborhoods
7. Open the floodgates for immigrants
8. Expedite all immigration applicantions; everyone is welcome
9. Chain immigrations; bring your extended family; they don’t count against the quota
10. Anchor babies; instant citizenship
11. Head north if you are 8-9 months pregnant; make sure you have one foot in the U.S. when the baby arrives
12. Get a birth certificate for your baby ASAP so you can get welfare
13. Vote whether you are a citizen or not
14. Listen to Spanish language TV and radio; English is passé
15. Insist on bilingual and then Spanish only instruction in public schools
16. Alfred E. Newman approach to population, resource depletion, the environment; energy needs;and extinction of species
17. Open national parks and monuments for developers
18. Push CIR amnesty and other legislation that favors Hispanics
19. Support racist organizations like La Raza, MEChA, LULAC, Aztlan, MALDEF, PRFDEF
20. Attribute fringe views to mainstream Americans

Vicente Duque said...

The friends of "Bleaching of America" are also friends of being very Macho Macho Macho.

And beating some gays for a laugh !!

Or go "Beaner Jumping" with Caucasian Crews of Bastards

A new piece of legislation that RedNecks beating Gays won't like, and that the Caucasian Crew, the Minutemen, and Christian Lunatic Talibans ( Creationists and others ) abhor :

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Hate crimes bill nears passage - Protections for those attacked because of sexual orientation - 63-28 vote in Senate

Politico.com
Hate crimes bill nears passage
By ALEX ISENSTADT
July 20, 2009

Hate crimes bill nears passage
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25133.html

Some excerpts :

Hate crimes legislation that would expand protections for those attacked because of sexual orientation is poised to become law after several years of failed efforts to push the proposal past the Senate.

Senators, in a 63-28 vote, approved attaching the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Act as an amendment to the must-pass defense appropriations bill over objections from Republicans, who argued that the legislation should be considered as a stand-alone bill.


Raciality.com

Vicente Duque

pcorn54 said...

Further proof that Ultima is a damned fool and probably a member in good standing with ALICRAP.

The Brown Agenda
1. Official bilingualism followed by Spanish only.

NOWHERE IS BILINGUALISM OFFICIALLY MENTIONED EXCEPT IN THE SMALL MINDS OF XENOPHOBES!

2. Open borders to hasten Mexico Norte

THE SAME RIGHTS AS ARE GRANTED TO CANADIAN CITIZENS, NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS!
3. Amnesty for all border violators

PAYING A FINE, BACK TAXES (WHICH IS A STUPID REQUIREMENT AS MOST WORKERS HAVE THEM DEDUCTED FROM THEIR PAY) BACK OF THE LINE FOR A 7 YEAR WAIT FOR A GREEN CARD, IS NOT AMNESTY!
4. Health Care coverage for illegals at taxpayer expense

MOST ILLEGALS ARE TAXPAYERS WITH NO BENEFITS ASSOCIATED WITH THE TAXES THEY PAY. AND NOWHERE IN OBAMA'S HEALTHCARE PLAN IS ANY MENTION OF HEALTHCARE FOR ILLEGALS! THAT IS FALSE ASSUMPTIONS BY THE RIGHT WING WHACKOS THAT SEEK TO SABOTAGE ANYTHING THIS PRESIDENT ATTEMPTS TO ACCOMPLISH.

5. If you can get across the border, you are welcome

WE ARE A WELCOMING SOCIETY, EXCEPT FOR A VERY VOCAL MINORITY OF XENOPHOBES, BIGOTS AND WHITE NATIONALISTS, WITH THE TOKEN MINORITY THROWN IN FOR DENIABILITY OF THE OBVIOUS.

6. Make the Anglos feel uncomfortable and unwelcome in our neighborhoods

ANOTHER FALSE ASSUMPTION AND PARANOIA OF THE XENOPHOBES!

7. Open the floodgates for immigrants

SEE RESPONSE TO #6

8. Expedite all immigration applications; everyone is welcome

SEE RESPNSE #5


9. Chain immigrations; bring your extended family; they don’t count against the quota

CASE BY CASE BASIS! ANOTHER FALSE AND DEBUNKED ASSUMPTION

10. Anchor babies; instant citizenship

MOST OF YOU XENOS CLAIM TO BE CONSTITUTIONLISTS, BUT ONLY WHEN IT IS CONVENIENT FOR YOU. THE 14TH AMENDMENT HAS WITHSTOOD THE TEST OF TIME AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE LAW OF THE LAND!


11. Head north if you are 8-9 months pregnant; make sure you have one foot in the U.S. when the baby arrives

SHIT LIKE THIS DOESN'T DESERVE A COMMENT!

12. Get a birth certificate for your baby ASAP so you can get welfare

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE NOT QUALIFIED FOR THE WELFARE SYSTEM. AND IT TAKES A PRETTY SMALL MINDED MEAN SPIRITED PERSON TO WANT TO DENY A BABY A FEW BUCKS WORTH OF WIC BENEFITS EACH MONTH.

13. Vote whether you are a citizen or not

DOESN'T HAPPEN! ANOTHER FALSE ACCUSATION OF THE LOONS!

14. Listen to Spanish language TV and radio; English is passé

AGAIN, ONLY WHEN THE CONSTITUTION SUITS YOU. EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THE PURSUIT OF LIFE, LIBERTY AND HAPPINESS. IF SPANISH OFFENDS YOU, CHANGE THE CHANNEL! PERSONALLY, THEY GOT SOME HOT ASS BABES ON SPANISH TV!

15. Insist on bilingual and then Spanish only instruction in public schools

NOTHING OF THE SORT ON ANYONES AGENDA EXCEPT THE ANTI'S WHO WANT TO USE THIS FALSE ACCUSATION TO STRIKE FEAR INTO THE HEARTS OF THE UNWASHED MASSES!


16. Alfred E. Newman approach to population, resource depletion, the environment; energy needs;and extinction of species

SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE HAS BEEN LISTENING TO THE INSANE RANTS OF THAT IDIOT FROSTY WOOLDRIDGE!


17. Open national parks and monuments for developers

WHAT IN THE HELL DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT AT HAND?

18. Push CIR amnesty and other legislation that favors Hispanics

CIR WOULD BENEFIT PEOPLE OF ALL NATIONS AS WELL AS CITIZENS OF THE US!


19. Support racist organizations like La Raza, MEChA, LULAC, Aztlan, MALDEF, PRFDEF

NONE OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE RACIST IN THE LEAST, EXCEPT IN THE MINDS OF THE XENOPHOBES. AZTLAN IS NOT AN ORGANIZATION PER SE AND REALLY NEEDS TO BE IGNORED.

20. Attribute fringe views to mainstream Americans

YOU ATTRIBUTE YOUR LUNATIC FRINGE VIEWS AS BEING THE VIEWS OF MAINSTREAM AMERICA, WHICH OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT. THEY ARE THE VIEWS OF A VERY SMALL MINORITY OF AMERICANS WHO HAVE MADE SOMETHING DIRTY OUT OF THE WORD "PATRIOT" AND "PATRIOTISM" AND ARE TRYING TO PUSH THESE VIEWS ON MAINSTREAM AMERICA WITH LITTLE SUCCESS.


VIVA OBAMA! VIVA MEXICO Y DIOS LOS BENDIGA USA!

ultima said...

pcorn wrote"Further proof that Ultima is a damned fool..."

There's a lot of that going around as your post shows. Struck a nerve did I as Dee said?

In case you didn't recognize it as such, this was a tongue in cheek response to Dee's outlandish piece on the bleaching of America. No one believes that. The facts of life indicate to the contrary, i.e.,the browning of America, but you knew that, didn't you?

ultima said...

pcorn wrote, "NOWHERE IS BILINGUALISM OFFICIALLY MENTIONED..."

Wait a little longer!

Speaking of small minds and myopia...

ultima said...

pcorn wrote, "THE SAME RIGHTS AS ARE GRANTED TO CANADIAN CITIZENS, NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS!"

I try to deal with that at every opportunity by using the plural "borders" rather than just "border". Occasionally, I err. At any rate that is my position but everyone should recognize the great preponderance of illegals is from the south. How would you focus your resources to secure the borders given that fact? Which border would garner most of your attention?

Of course, since you are a one world,globalized, open borders kind of guy, I guess those questions are irrelevant.

Your color consciousness and bias is showing. Are you unable to deal with the issues rationally?

ultima said...

pcorn wrote, "MOST WORKERS HAVE THEM DEDUCTED FROM THEIR PAY.."

And how would you know that? The conventional wisdom is that employers who hire illegals compound their infraction by paying them under the table. Do you have a reputable, unbiased study of this issue you can cite?

ultima said...

pcorn wrote, "BACK OF THE LINE FOR A 7 YEAR WAIT FOR A GREEN CARD, IS NOT AMNESTY!"

As the WSJ put it, "Amnesty by any other name...."

While it is true that if any penalty is imposed that is technically not amnesty even if it is just a slap on the wrist. However, the common understanding of amnesty is any form of forgiveness that does not require illegals to return to their country of origin and remain there until they can re-enter legally. If they are allowed to remain here and work, that is what most understand to be amnesty. That's what they called it in 1986.

We are under no obligation to admit anyone. Our national self-interest should determine how many and with what skills are allowed to enter. I'm sure you know that a country ceases to exist if it feels it must allow everyone who wishes to immigrate rather than limited immigration to our precise needs consistent with maintaining our national identity.

ultima said...

pcorn wrote, "MOST ILLEGALS ARE TAXPAYERS WITH NO BENEFITS ASSOCIATED WITH THE TAXES THEY PAY."

Again an unsupported statement about illegals who are taxpayers. They receive all kinds of benefits: free education for their children; indigent care at hospitals and emergency rooms; aid to dependent children if they are citizens, ditto for food stamps, public housing,etc. Clearly you are sadly misinformed or wrote before you thought.

Admittedly some pay state and local sales taxes because they cannot be avoided (except maybe if you are using food stamps) but there is no proof one way or the other that the vast majority of them pay state and federal income taxes. Why should they?
They are here and employed illegally.

ultima said...

pcorn wrote, "AND NOWHERE IN OBAMA'S HEALTHCARE PLAN IS ANY MENTION OF HEALTHCARE FOR ILLEGALS! THAT IS FALSE ASSUMPTIONS BY THE RIGHT WING WHACKOS THAT SEEK TO SABOTAGE ANYTHING THIS PRESIDENT ATTEMPTS TO ACCOMPLISH."

Spoken like a true uncritical, unthinking Obama acolyte. I guess it never occurred to you to do any critical thinking about health care proposals, alternate ways of achieving reform while saving our country from bankruptcy. You really should study the outlook for European-style welfare statism which with high expectations of crade to grave care, 6-8 weeks of vacation a year, pension guarantees, and other entitlements are heading for a major fall. When they think about it they envy us because we haven't gotten in too deeply yet but with Obama's grandiose plans it won't be long. Trying to unravel the welfare state after the fact is impossible. We have to be critical and smart now, not later.

ultima said...

As Obama as shown several times in his short presidency, he is far from infallible so let's all bind together to make sure he doesn't make a really big mistake on this critical issue. That won't happen if everyone just rolls over and plays dead. That would be the biggest mistake of this century. Health care accounts for one in every six dollars spent in this country. That gets my attention. We can't afford to allow a mistake on something as big as that.

If you were he, would you advertise it? Here are some sections from the House bill:

• Section 242 of the bill prohibits "undocumented aliens" from receiving health care, but does not prescribe a method for preventing illegal aliens from receiving health care.
• Section 1702 of the bill requires that "the State shall accept without further determination the enrollment under [the Medicaid program] of an individual determined by the Commissioner to be a non-traditional Medicaid eligible individual." However, the bill does not require the government to apply the existing citizenship and identity verification requirements that exist in the current Medicare statute.
• Section 1714 states, "in determining eligibility for services under this subsection, the State may consider only the income of the applicant or recipient." This means that for certain non-essential services, the State can disregard an individual's immigration status and look only at the individual's income.

Sometimes you don't have to state things explicitly. As long as there is no enforcement provision and people to enforce it, the result is the same as if you simply said allow illegals to participate fully at taxpayer expense. This is analogous to the so-called penalties for amnesty: learn English, pay back taxes, pay a fine, etc. Who is going to be the language certifier that signs the document to indicate an amnesty applicant is fluent in English. Knowing a few words in English means nothing. Who will voluntarily pay back taxes and a fine if they can just continue as they have in the past with little danger of being repatriated. You'd have to be pretty dense to do that unless you had already made so much money in the U.S. that you would easily afford both the fine and any back taxes. And, of course, as you say since all of them pay taxes that is really no penalty at all.

The wordsmith politicians have a thousand and one ways to fool the unwary citizen. Bills in excess of 1000 pages is one way. Any bill that size can contain enough loop holes to drive a truck through and usually do.

Instead of lawyers using all kinds of abstruse language to assure there are no loopholes, they use different language, sometimes suggested by La Raza and other lobbyists, to do just the opposite. You would know that if you had read any of the 1000 page bills. A good example is applying sanctions only to employers who "knowingly" hire illegals. E-verify is available to all employers so there is no excuse for hiring an illegal. Even without e-verify and employer must be held responsible for who he hires. He cannot just be allowed to accept whatever forgery an employee can come up with. Hell, such photos and documents are easily forged and obtained. If your job as a personnel manager was on the line based on whether you allowed any illegals to gain employment, you would soon find a way to check their bona fides.

ultima said...

pcorn wrote, "WE ARE A WELCOMING SOCIETY.."

Well we certainly have been but it would be extremely shortsighted to think that we are still in the 19th or early 20th centuries and that nothing has changed -- our arable land, water, minerals are still limitless.

I do not propose to be unwelcoming to immigrants within reasonable numbers like 200,000 per year focused on the skills we need and which are in short supply. My parents and grandparents were immigrants and I know the hardships they endured. They were quick to assimilate and obtain the full benefits of legal American citizenship. They had little education but they saw to it that their kids stayed in school and got all the education they could. Welfare in those days was the county poor farm.

Our immigrant past should not be and is not our future.

ultima said...

pcorn wrote, "ANOTHER FALSE ASSUMPTION AND PARANOIA OF THE XENOPHOBES!"

Not at all. We have ample testimony to that effect from residents of California. The truth hurts but there it is.

ultima said...

pcorn wrote, "7. Open the floodgates for immigrants

SEE RESPONSE TO #6"

Response #6 is irrelevant to this item. This pertains to the idea that we should simplify immigration procedures and admit all comers until our standard of living and quality of life is in equilibrium with that of the donor countries. Then where will they and we go? More myopia!

ultima said...

pcorn asserted without evidence or proof, "9. Chain immigrations; bring your extended family; they don’t count against the quota

CASE BY CASE BASIS! ANOTHER FALSE AND DEBUNKED ASSUMPTION

The figures indicate that primary immigration figures are doubled or triped through chain immigrations. Let's limit chains to spouses and minor children or better yet make them apply as a unit under the existing quota rather than as additions to it.

ultima said...

pcorn wrote, "10. Anchor babies; instant citizenship

MOST OF YOU XENOS CLAIM TO BE CONSTITUTIONLISTS, BUT ONLY WHEN IT IS CONVENIENT FOR YOU. THE 14TH AMENDMENT HAS WITHSTOOD THE TEST OF TIME AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE LAW OF THE LAND!"

We recognize that the 14th amendment exists and are in no way suggesting that anyone should violate it. However, much as others wish to overturn the laws regarding immigration, we think the 14th was misconstrued and needs the clarification provided in some bills before the Congress. Unless or until then, it is the law of the land and should be honored and enforced along with all the other relevant immigration laws.

Those who oppose th 14th are not the lawless advocates. They lie elsewhere.

ultima said...

pcornh wrote, "11. Head north if you are 8-9 months pregnant; make sure you have one foot in the U.S. when the baby arrives

SHIT LIKE THIS DOESN'T DESERVE A COMMENT!"

Why, because it's true. Check the number of births to illegals in Parkland hospital in Dallas and the cost to Medicaid, then tell me this opportunity is not an open invitation to illegals. You might also see what you can find out about those who cross the border into El Paso to have their babies. I think that will open your eyes.

ultima said...

pcorn wrote, "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE NOT QUALIFIED FOR THE WELFARE SYSTEM. AND IT TAKES A PRETTY SMALL MINDED MEAN SPIRITED PERSON TO WANT TO DENY A BABY A FEW BUCKS WORTH OF WIC BENEFITS EACH MONTH."

Who needs benefits for themselves if they have enough kids to bring them plenty of largess. A few bucks -- that's a laugh. Think billions for all the benefits they and their parents receive one way or another.

No one is suggesting that they be denied jsut a better understanding of what insecure borders really mean. Whatever happened to parental responsibility for the kids they beget?

ultima said...

pcorn wrote, "PERSONALLY, THEY GOT SOME HOT ASS BABES ON SPANISH TV!"

The ones I have seen look more like tarts than hotties but maybe that's just my taste. There are other Hispanic women who are beautiful by any standard.

ultima said...

pcorn said,"DOESN'T HAPPEN!"

Another unsupported assertion. If it can happen in Cook County, Illnois why not in LA or other parts of CA. Yor're being unrealistic about this. What tests are done regularly on a statistically valid basis to ascertain the extent of voter fraud in any locale. Without such studies, the Cook county example is all we have to go on or aren't you aware of Cook county corruption? If you can register folks who are already dead, why not those who aren't citizens? ACORN even went so far as to make up names to achieve its goals. Glad to hear you support such corruption, it puts your other comments in perspective.

ultima said...

pcorn refers to Frosty Wooldridge as idiot but Frosty has much better credentials to write on the issue of immigration than pcorn. At least he has done a substantial amount of research on the subject and is widely traveled. Can pcorn say as much. I am not about to defend everything Wooldridge has written but the documentation and references he provides speak for themselves, much more so than pcorn's ad hominem attacks on him and his point of view.

Pcorn is in a curious state of deep denial. He needs a trip to some of the more populous areas of the world like Bangladesh, India, China and Sub-Saharan Africa before he makes such unfounded and wild assertions. Here are two elementary facts about population and natural resources I have statged many times before that even he should be able to understand: The "limit" of finite natural resources per capita as population grows without bounds is zero. (Ask you daughter if you don't understand the calculus concept of a limit.) The more there are of us, the less there is for each of us and it doesn't make any difference if you are brown, black or white. What are these finite natural resources? there are many: other species that we share this planet with, minerals, water, arable land, and living space. What are the other issues related to unfettered population growth: pollution at 20 metric tons per capita annually in the U.S. is one good example. Energy demands is another. If I remember correctly a program about oil on ABC the other night indicated that by 2050 our demand for oil will increase by 40%. I wonder how that could be so? Do you suppose that population growth will overshadow energy conservation and alternate sources? What is your answer Alfred E.?

ultima said...

pcorn wrote, "17. Open national parks and monuments for developers

WHAT IN THE HELL DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT AT HAND?"

Where else are you going to put three hundred million more people? You can't put them out in the great American desert. The water that might have been available there is being usurped by cities to accommodate their burgeoning populations. In the cities? Some might like to live in an anthill but it's not my bag. Is it yours? Or do you have a comfortable hacienda in Old Mexico?

ultima said...

18. Push CIR amnesty and other legislation that favors Hispanics

"CIR WOULD BENEFIT PEOPLE OF ALL NATIONS AS WELL AS CITIZENS OF THE US!"

And which nation the most? Mexican illegals, legal immigrants and their progeny number as much as the next ten nation combined. Ask the unemployed how much benefit they would derive from CIR.
If you place greater value on Mexican culture, the Spanish language,and the centuries old religious dogma that guide their reproductive habits, I can see how you might feel that way. Don't expect most Americans to share that view with you. You don't have to be an extremist or white supremasist to see the folly of CIR. Every want comprehensive immigration reform, just not your brand of sedition.

ultima said...

pcorn wrote, "NONE OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE RACIST IN THE LEAST,..."

Their names say it all. Their activities and lobbying clearly demonstrate to the contrary. You can fool some of the people with claims of humanitarianism but your lobbyist betray your real agenda. I guess you haven't read MEChA's charter, have you?

ultima said...

pcorn wrote, "...THESE VIEWS ON MAINSTREAM AMERICA"

You speak of something you no nothing about. Mainstream America does not reside in the sinkholes of your brain. Your biases disqualify you from making any judgment on this matter.

When one cannot admit that some of another's arguments have some merit, then we know he has a closed mind not subject to reason or rational thought.

ultima said...

El Duque wrote for the 100th time "Imbecility and Demagogic Bastardy"

Is this something that millenial cultist El Duque really believes? Has he become completely unhinged? Has he applied for transport to an Islamic country where he won't be burdened with Western culture and civilization? Remember it was the West that developed mass commercial aviation and built skyscrapers; it was radical Islam that slashed the throats of stewardesses and flew planes into those skyscrapers. Maybe you want to re-think your travel plans to a non-Western nation. I doubt they would tolerate many of your rants, name calling, etc.

ultima said...

Long live free speech and free thought in America unrestricted by narrow views and biases.

ultima said...

A bunch of idiots defending the President against a bunch of Idiots :

CNN, Larry King, Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, Rick Sanchez, James Carville, John Avlon,

ultima said...

Susan Collins from Maine, Mel Martinez from Florida, Olympia Snowe Maine. The first and the last are Rinos: Mel is a lame duck who never saw an Hispanic he didn't like.

ultima said...

I notice pcorn by his silence accepted the nonsense about the Bleaching of American. This another testimony to his lack of objectivity.

ultima said...

Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan
"Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada."
"Everything for the race. Everything outside the race, nothing."
Last updated: 04/07/2007| Jump to Latest Additions
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This is what the MEChA Constitution says (Article II, section 1):
"General membership shall consist of any student who accepts, believes and works for the goals and objectives of MEChA, including the liberation of AZTLAN, meaning self-determination of our people in this occupied state and the physical liberation of our land."
MEChA Teaches Tolerance?
This is not racist????

ultima said...

El Duque wrote, "The same Village Idiots that voted for George W. Bush."

El Duque is referring to most Americans. He's a nice fellow that is unable acting like an idiot himself.

ultima said...

El Duque wrote, "I pity their paranoia, their lack of Intelligence and Understanding."

Why don't you try reasoned arguments and discourse? Your current approach casts serious doubt on your sanity. The lack of intelligence and understanding and presence of morbid paranoia characterizes all of your posts. Try a different tack to see if you can redeem yourself.

ultima said...

And stop with all the psychoanaysis for which you are not qualified unless you are a psychiatrist.

ultima said...

"the Mathew Shepard legislation should be considered as a stand-alone bill."

As well it should be. This is an age old political trick but hardly in keeping with the best traditions of democracy.

ultima said...

There should be a federal law that limits all legislation to a single topic. Instead we have a Christmas tree with something for everyone to get the necessary votes. This called log rolling and is prohibited in many states as a sign of corruption.

You'd think with the majorities the Dems own in congress they wouldn't have to resort to these underhanded tactics. Doesn't speak well for them or anybody who applaud this approach.

ultima said...

I pity El Duque's lack of: culture, sense of fairness, respect for freedom of speech, and his overwhelming paranoia. One has to feel sorry for him.

ultima said...

Dee wrote, "The Bleaching of America clearly describes the ANTI agenda.

I've shared it with several of my PRO peers. I am hoping it will be issued on discussion boards and blogs across America. It clearly, clearly describes the ANTI's end term goal!"

You should be ashamed of yourself for writing such drivel. As for sharing it, perhaps you could add my "Browning of America" tongue-in-cheek agenda. They are equally valid as true representations of the pro-American and anti-America agendas.

ultima said...

Anon wrote, "...how all good things in this country were because of whites. if that is not whites advocating a whites only view then i do not know what is."

Obviously Buchanan was overstating the case. We are all prone to a little exaggeration once in a while. It is no more so a whites only viewpoint than La Raza mouths an Hispanics only viewpoint. Buchanan is one, La Raza is many. You weigh the balance.

But if you want to assess the contributions of whites in this and other countries check the number of Nobel prizes won by them; check the number of Fortune 500 companies started by them. These are just undeniable facts. Deal with them not TV personalities.

None are so blind as those who will not see their own racism implicit in the post quoted above.

ultima said...

Dee wrote, "The Bleaching of America clearly describes the ANTI agenda."

No, you have to include my corrections and edits. We honor the 14th amendment but seek to have it modified just as you seek CIR to open the borders and declare amnesty even though that is not the current law.

I am disappointed your point of view has taken on such a ugly taint. Not much like the old Dee. Why is that? Are there no reasonable people left in this world? Are there none who can see more than one point of view other than their own. I am saddened for you. I hope this tendency does not make you mentally ill.

ultima said...

Those who wish to see mainstream America's real agenda as opposed to this "Bleaching of America" nonsense can find it hereImmigration Talk with an America

ultima said...

That should be Immigration Talk with an American

MikeFrizzi said...

I definitely think there is a small group of white people who want to perpetuate the presence of whites in positions of power. Unfortunately, that kind of racial motivation goes against the whole fabric of the nation, and will certainly not stand. There are millions of people who would kill for a green card visa, and it saddens me to know that the people of this nation would greet them with anything less than open arms.

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