Saturday, November 17, 2007

The Sleeping Giant Awakens

During the 2006 elections, almost 70 per cent of Latinos voted the Democratic ticket. According to exit poll estimates, their vote was fuelled by anger over the extremist position many Republican legislators took over immigration and by the disproportionate number of Latino men and women fighting and dying in Iraq.

During the previous 2000 election, George Bush was able to woo Latino voters nationally in much the same way he had as governor of Texas. Bush appealed to their socially conservative instincts, promoting strong ties to central and South America and peddling a soft line on immigration policy.

That changed in 2005, when Republican hardliners in Congress pushed the Sensennbrenner bill to demand the criminalization of the country's 12 million undocumented immigrant workers and the militarization of the 2,000-mile border with Mexico. President Bush ended up kow-towing to the hardliners, and his own party grassroots, by agreeing to the construction of 700 miles of border fencing.

That stance infuriated even conservative lobby groups such as the Latino Coalition, which openly endorsed Democratic candidates for the first time.

As the ANTI Lobby has grown more extreme pushing for Bills like HR4088 dubbed the SAVE Act, various Immigration Groups and Bloggers are strongly encouraging all Hispanic Voters to register and vote Democratic in 2008.
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Of course, what they need is to mobilize volunteers from the local citizenry, the same way you do in a natural disaster. There may only be as many Border Patrolmen as Congress has funded, which is not enough, but there’s the American people themselves, who have their own weapons, GPS devices, cellphones, pickup trucks, horses and whatever’s needful to protect the border.

28 comments:

patriot said...

Now you tell me who are the racist ones? The proof is in the pudding right there. Hispanics won't support a candidate or party who wants our immigration laws enforced and guess who the biggest violators of our soverghnty is? And they have the nerve to call law abiding Americans, racists? Talk about screwed up thinking!

Liquidmicro said...

Dee, here is a contractor that admitted to hiring 'Illegal Immigrants' and is now spending 18 months in prison. More and more are beginning to happen.

Contractor sentenced to 18 months
1 of 7 accused of hiring illegals


Your first line should state: During the 2006 elections, almost 70 per cent of Latinos WHO voted, voted for the Democratic ticket.

My ?? is: According to exit poll estimates, their vote was fueled by anger over the extremist position many Republican legislators took over immigration, whats position are they going to take this coming year with most Democrats also taking a hard stance against 'Illegal Immigration', denying DL's, Shuler's Bill, The Democratic Congress being unable to get anything done??

patriot said...

dee is looking for Hilary to save the "raza". But Hilary just said NO to drivers licenses for illegal aliens in the recent Democrat debate.

I think Hilary is finally catching on to what the majority of Americans want too. However, I wouldn't trust her as far as I can throw if she gets elected. She has already been flip-flopping as most dishonest politicians do.

Dee said...

Liquid,
Good article.
what I find interesting is the 1st employer who will actually serve time is Mexican American.
The abusive New Bedford employer still has not served a day nor others.
We will see what happens next.

Dee said...

Pat,
Hillary supports Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

No one actually support the DL plan, it is just a workaround in lieu of the fact that CIR has not been passed and the 12M are here.

dianne said...

Please provide statistics showing a disproportionate number of Latinos in Iraq. From what I'm reading, that's not true. In fact they're underrepresented as a percentage of their population. Granted, a lot of that is due to the fact they aren't qualified to join due to lack of education, but nonetheless, they are still underrepresented. Please present your references (and Craig's list won't cut it).

Dee said...

Dianne,
I referenced this news article and my post reflected what exit pollers were saying.

What urls are you referencing which disputes the exit polls? I´d be happy to do some additional research if you provide your reference urls.

dianne said...

http://www.prb.org/Articles/2007/HispanicsUSMilitary.aspx?p=1

Liquidmicro said...

Your article, Dee, is from a London, England, newspaper. Hardly worth debating as they aren't even an American based company. Its just there opinion based on what they determined based on how they interpreted. At least use an American article.

Liquidmicro said...

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use this to paste a URL and Heading, Diane, will help with long url's such as that you provided.

Liquidmicro said...

Well that didn't work, here is a link to show you instead.

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where it says "URL", paste the URL there, don't use the "" in it, and paste the heading in the text to be displayed are.

Dee said...

Here is another reference:

According to the Pew Hispanic Center, while Latinos make up 9.5 percent of the actively enlisted forces, they are over-represented in the categories that get the most dangerous assignments -- infantry, gun crews and seamanship -- and make up over 17.5 percent of the front lines.


Hispanic Soldiers Die in Greater Numbers in Iraq

Dee said...

More

The war death rate of Hispanics now is second only to that of whites.

Chicago Sun Times Article

Dee said...

Life lottery: US military targets poor Hispanics for frontline service in Iraq

They have been variously described as 'working class mercenaries', 'green card troops', 'non-citizen' armies, or desperate recruits of the US Government's 'poverty draft'. They are the huge contingent of Hispanic personnel who--for personal and economic reasons--have been recruited into the ranks of the US military. According to US journalist Jim Ross, by February 2005 there were 110,000 of them. The biggest single contingent of such troops is made up of Mexicans and Mexican descendants. Many were in the marine units from Camp Pendleton in San Diego that participated in the initial stages of the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 and later fought 'insurgents' in Falluja.

Dee said...

Mortality of American Troops in Iraq

page 5: The
number of deaths to Hispanics in death statistics is divided by the number of Hispanics
identified on the ethnicity question in deployment statistics. Hispanics are shown to have
a death risk that is 21% higher than that of non-Hispanics.

Dee said...

Dianne,

Pretty scary stuff hear. I am glad you made me do the additional research.

Hispanic troops are sent to the front lines and according to the last document, Hispanics are shown to have a death risk that is 21% higher than that of non-Hispanics.

Just Horrible!!

Dee said...

The Washington Post confirms:

Hispanics have a death risk about 20 percent higher than non-Hispanics, and blacks have a death risk about 30 to 40 percent lower than that of non-blacks. That low death rate appears to result from an overrepresentation of blacks in low-risk categories: For example, 19 percent of blacks in Iraq are women, compared with 9 percent of non-blacks, while 7 percent of blacks in Iraq are Marines, compared with 13 percent of non-blacks.

Liquidmicro said...

Actually Diane, your link states the opposite of what you are stating.

"(October 2007) More than 35 million Americans identify as Hispanic, making them the country's largest ethnic minority. However, Latinos have been underrepresented in the all-volunteer armed forces, especially among officers. This is beginning to change, as increasing numbers of Hispanics enter the military. Moreover, despite the traditionally masculine culture of the military and of Hispanics, the Hispanic share of military women has been increasing faster than the Hispanic share of military men.1

The past 20 years have witnessed dramatic increases in the percentage of Latinos (of both sexes) among active duty enlisted personnel (see Figure 1)."

"Also, until recently, immigrants had to be citizens or legal permanent residents to enlist. Under these qualifications, Latinos actually have been overrepresented among enlisted personnel. In FY 2001, Latinos made up 8.2 percent of the qualified civilian work force and 9.5 percent of enlisted service members.3"

Now, I am on your side, but what I am reading and understanding, is the opposite of what you are claiming. Maybe you need to be a little more specific??

What I do notice, however, is that, from your article, Army Recruitment Goals Endangered as Percent of African American Enlistees Declines.

The past five years have seen a drop in overall African American enlistment levels that has reduced black participation in the armed forces to percentages not seen since 1973. (December 2005)

Dee said...

I saw the same thing re: African Americans in my links Liquid.

I worry about the war and all the dead.

Worse yet, a very high rate of front liners are Hispanic.

With all that is going on, I can´t help but think this is related to the Immigration issues we have and this whole issue is very, very ugly!

Every time I go to a reunion, more and more family members say their kids are over there.

I fear for our children!!

patriot said...

Worse yet, a very high rate of front liners are Hispanic? Would it be better if they were White or Black? Loss of human life is loss of human life.

And I am not being nasty (no worse than your remark anyway) by stating that Hispanics have high birth rates so at leaast they will be replaced three fold in no time.

Liquidmicro said...

Dee says: Worse yet, a very high rate of front liners are Hispanic.


That may be due to their low scores on the ASVAB tests. This test limits their MOS availabilities, to jobs such as infantry (grunts), where it doesn't take much intelligence to do their jobs.

Liquidmicro said...

The ASVAB Explained
The Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery is the most widely used multiple-aptitude test battery in the world. As an aptitude test, the ASVAB measures your strengths, weaknesses, and potential for future success. The ASVAB also provides you with career information for various civilian and military occupations and is an indicator for success in future endeavors whether you choose to go to college, vocational school, or a military career.

Dee said...

Pat and Liquid,
You are both despicable to say that due to high birth rate or your ASSUMtions of low test scores they deserve to be killed on the front lines.
Shame on you both!! Shame!!

Dee said...

Liquid,
We all know how test scores and development of these tests can be manipulated to produce an end result.

Liquidmicro said...

Dee said...

Liquid,
We all know how test scores and development of these tests can be manipulated to produce an end result.

November 23, 2007 8:32 AM

No, Dee, we don't all know. Only you do.

The ASVAB Career Exploration Program is intended for use with students in the 10th, 11th, and 12th grades, as well as students in post-secondary schools. The Program provides tools, including the test battery and interest inventory, developed by the Department of Defense to help high school and post-secondary students across the nation learn more about career exploration and planning. Results of the aptitude test and the interest inventory enable students to evaluate their skills, estimate performance in academic and vocational endeavors, and identify potentially satisfying careers. These results are integrated with work values to help students identify and prioritize possible career choices. Students are encouraged to consider their own work-related values and other important personal preferences as they explore the world of work and learn career exploration skills that will benefit them throughout their work lives.

Dee said...

Liquid, When I was in 8th grade, all students participated in aptitude testing. My test results indicated I was performing at the 12th grade level. I wanted to continue my AP courses. My counselor insisted I was "just going to get pregnant anyway" and I should just take "vocational courses. They will help you get a job."

First of all Liquid, you provide not stats for their results. You just made an ASSUMption!!!!!
Second of all, you do not know what discussions let them to either ask to go to the front lines or if there were other reasons.

Don´t be so QUICK to JUMP to NEGATIVE Conclusions when it comes to Hispanic Test Results.

Be Careful Liquid. You are letting your True Agenda peak out!!

Liquidmicro said...

If they chose to go to the front lines by choice then neither you nor I can argue that. However, if they scored low on the ASVAB, then they are limited as to the MOS they can apply for, as stated, you have no idea about the military and/or its process, you are venturing down a road you have no business on due to your lack of knowledge of the subject.

Liquidmicro said...

Dee says: Worse yet, a very high rate of front liners are Hispanic.


One could also argue the fact that, since the Hispanic community is now the second largest in the USA, that they should be the second highest rate of killed in the military. Welcome to equality with the majority!!

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